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reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 11:16 AM by Freeborn

reply to post by Xtrozero

"UK had no answer to the Germans who at their leisure was going to blow UK back to the Stone Age. So what part of that war was the UK going to win?"

What on earth has this got to to do with this thread.
However, I have no desire to spoil your thread, so briefly in response.
The US did not win WW11 single handedly, neither did we.
Hitler wanted peace at all costs with UK, he was apathetic towards USA, he thought you irrelevant and only declared war on USA as he was obliged to as part of his treaty with Japan.
Hitler had his chance to invade UK after Dunkirk and before The Battle Of Britain. When he failed to do so it was innevitable that he would eventually lose.
Without US involvement the war against Hitler would have definately lasted longer but eventually we would have prevailed, Hitler had no stomach for a fight with us.
Stop believing everything you watch in Hollywood movies, you did not single handedly win WW11. End of.
The US bled Britain dry through Lend Lease etc, a debt we have just paid off!
I for one appreciate US contribution and respect and honour the memory of those that paid the ultimate sacrifice, don't do them a disservice by spreading lies.

I have respectfully refrained from contributing anymore to this thread as it was apparent that you Americans wanted to flex your pex and tell each other how great you are and how you won't let anyone comment on anything that concerns the US, it's affairs or events that concern it.
As if any foreigner could contribute to US society eh?

There appears to be a number of US posters here on ATS whose response to any non-US member having the nerve to display anything but blindly pro-american traits is to resort to "we won the war for you" and "wtf do you think you are, we are American" or the classic infantile "you did it first" responses.

I have a lot of respect for the US and it's citizens, I believe the world would be a worse place without your involvement in world affairs but seriously, grow up, be constructive and get rid of that chip on your shoulder.
The US is much better than that, do it justice.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 12:06 PM by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Freeborn

I have a lot of respect for the US and it's citizens, I believe the world would be a worse place without your involvement in world affairs but seriously, grow up, be constructive and get rid of that chip on your shoulder.
The US is much better than that, do it justice.

I'm not saying US had a solo win, but I am saying is UK didn't have a chance to win without the US. Germany was extremely hard to defeat with everyone involved AND the US bombing the crap out of them.

I really do not have a chip and didn't even think there was a need to say anything until I read a post that stated as your's does that UK would have won with or without the US, and that my friend was just not possible.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 02:22 PM by IAF101

The idea that the EU - which in itself can be described as a cesspool of unemployment, degenerate culture and a decadent socialist bulwark; has a right to actually tell the USA how to deal with its citizenry and its internal affairs is laughable.

Firstly, the EU is not the USA, we both dont stand on the same soap box and neither are the two of the same level . Secondly, its not like the EU is actually propping the US up or has in the past helped the US prop itself back on its feet. Thirdly, the EU internally is a mess, a mess much bigger than anything the US has ever seen. Lastly, its economy not even half of the US and militarily a tenth or less in stature. Despite all these things it somehow thinks that it would be a good idea on how the US should deal with its criminals. If the EU is so concerned about US criminals they should act on it and give these death row inmates amnesty !

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 02:28 PM by GKHaley

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
I don't give a # what the EU says. They need to stay the hell out of our affairs. And you know what, we need to stay out of theirs and everyone else's. We all need to go to our separate sand boxes and shut the hell up.

Novus,I agree. Of course, I am a bit of an isolationist politically speaking. I think the U.S should pull all of its troops out of foreign lands and secure our nation and such.

That would be a good start. We should also abolish the Federal Reserve which is unconstitutional and illegal and issue our own money as the constitution stipulates. Let's put our own people back to work instead of subsidizing the raising of the chinese standard of living. Let's concentrate on our country and let the rest of the world do as they will.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 05:27 PM by SpeakerofTruth

reply to post by GKHaley

Well, Haley, I suspect that eventually that will wind up occurring. The only real question in my mind is when and for how long.

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reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 05:30 PM by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by SimiusDei

Speaker, you are a true asset to ATS.

Jasn

Thank you for the compliment. I try to be. I certainly don't always claim to be right, but I generally state what is on my mind as civilly as I can. Sometimes I have to be put in my place,

but that's to be expected.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 05:34 PM by mirageofdeceit

What has it got to do with the EU? I think we're too light on criminals IMHO.

The EU has an inferiority complex, which is why it keeps wanting to grow ever larger and consume more countries so it can be "bigger and better" than America. Hell - they even suggested the idea of calling it the United States of Europe.

Europe will always be a bad thing. The only good thing it can do is disband and all the countries go back to being separate countries.

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reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 05:37 PM by SpeakerofTruth

Mirage, the EU is wanting the state of Texas to end the death penalty in the state. That is what the thread was originally about.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 05:41 PM by mirageofdeceit

I know - what I'm saying is - what has the death penalty in Texas got to do with Europe? They should keep their nose out!

Is that clearer now?

I'm in the UK, and would totally disassociate from the EU tomorrow if I could.

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reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 05:44 PM by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
I know - what I'm saying is - what has the death penalty in Texas got o do with Europe? They should keep their nose out!

Is that clearer now?

Yes, and I completely agree. However, I suppose that we should quit getting involved all over the world as well. I think things would be much better if everyone just did their thing and left well enough alone, but we all know that will never happen.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 07:01 PM by Sceptical_Alien

reply to post by IAF101

And of course there is not a single problem with the US what with it being perfect and everything. I mean obviously the US would be able to do a better job at unifying many countries which have different languages, relgions, beliefs etc... Great post btw, and Americans wonder why so many people dislike them. You can live in your little world where there is not a problem with America. This isnt some male genital measuring contest, we have a better army, we dont need your help blah blah blah.

Violence begets more violence.

If your prison system is too lenient change it. Murder is not an answer to a lenient prison system. Harsher conditions would make life sentences more of a punishment.

I was reading an article regarding a black man on death row for murder and rape. The men who sentenced him were connected to the KKK or something. Anyway after years in prison a caste was taken of a bite mark on the victim's breast it did not match the teeth of the man on death row. But he was refused a retrial. A journalist smuggled a sperm sample out of prison and that did not match the DNA of the rapist. However, the courts did not allow the man's DNA to be used as evidence. It turns out the people who originally sentenced him have now gone on to secure even more important positions of power. The man on death row has to apply to an even higher court to get freed. Sorry if the details are kinda incomplete but I cant remember the article word for word.

Apparently alot of mentally ill people are on death row. People who are mentally ill do not deserve death because of the an illness they suffer. They deserve help allbeit spending the rest of their lives in prison.

The UK offers law students the chance to go to America and try and free the people on death row who are innocent. Apparently they have had success and through their efforts a number of people facing death are now free.

From what I have gathered the inmates on death row do not get the appropriate access to legal advice for whatever reasons.

Point I am trying to make is. Mistakes happen and people have and will continue to pay the ultimate price of such mistakes with their life. Until there is a way to know someone is 100% guilty the death penalty is wrong.

But if countries are not allowed to comment on other countries where does it end? In some countries stoning is an acceptable punishment for being rude to a judge. Should we comment then? How about when you speak out against a countries leader causing them and their family to be killed?

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reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 07:43 PM by Freeborn

reply to post by Xtrozero

We would not have lost.
Hitler knew that and did not have the stomach and desire to fight us.
He knew better.

Would we have won though, possibly, possibly not.

I suspect a peace would have eventually been agreed guaranteeing British independance and co-existance.
What consequences that would have had for continental Europe I don't know but one things certain world history would have been very different.

reply posted on 28-8-2007 @ 08:24 PM by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Sceptical_Alien

Apparently alot of mentally ill people are on death row. People who are mentally ill do not deserve death because of the an illness they suffer. They deserve help allbeit spending the rest of their lives in prison.

Well you could argue that anyone who does truly heinous crimes and doesn’t bother them has a mental illness, and so that would be everyone on death row.

reply posted on 2-9-2007 @ 08:32 AM by Truth_Hunter_1976

Originally posted by 11Bravo
I think I can safely speak for damn near every other American on this one.

We dont give a # what the EU 'urges'.

Originally posted by apc
Uhh... with how adamant the UN is about "population reduction", you'd think the EU would be thrilled about Texas doing their part.

But then again, we're killing murderers. People who otherwise would be out killing other people. So by executing them, we're actually saving lives and preventing further population reduction...

Damn! Foiled by my own logic!

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You got that right.......I feel about the EU about the same way I feel about the UN they need to stay the HELL OUT of American Affairs.

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reply posted on 9-9-2007 @ 10:57 PM by IspyU

Just to let yall know, Texas is the largest state in the U.S and we (i'm from texas) and death penalty has been around since for ever... unlike other states where death penalty has been ban and legallize through out history... plus we will have prison over crowd problem... just something for yall to think about

reply posted on 9-9-2007 @ 11:18 PM by djohnsto77

Originally posted by IspyU
Texas is the largest state in the U.S.

By what measure?

Alaska is bigger in land area and California is bigger in population.

reply posted on 9-9-2007 @ 11:29 PM by Xtrozero

Originally posted by djohnsto77

Originally posted by IspyU
Texas is the largest state in the U.S.

By what measure?

Alaska is bigger in land area and California is bigger in population.

Obviously the world map was made by a non-Texan and so it was a conspiracy to make Texas no longer the largest state, and we have more illegals crossing our state per day than the population of California, and so we are still the biggest on all accounts.