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reply posted on 22-8-2007 @ 07:04 PM by Niall197
The EU says this, Texas says that, Europeans are this, Americans are that blah blah blah blah.

I'm a Brit. The EU no more speaks for me than the man on the moon. Same goes with the UK government. And the local council. They ask for my vote once every four of five years then disappear without trace until the next time. And I guess it's the same for US citizens too.

The EU should not have approached the state government in Texas. If they had any organisation to approach it ought to have been the US Federal government/State Department. But why is the EU even making diplomatic overtures to anyone ? It's not a homogenous single country, with one parliament, head of state, judiciary or any of the other trappings which define the nation state. It's a rag bag group of umpteen different countries each with their own foreign policy,culture, traditions and electorates.

Most Brits, if given the chance (which they never will be), would vote for the re-introduction of hanging. That's not to say I would vote for it. But a clear majority would. But they'll never get the chance to vote on it. It's either Labour/Conservative here or Socialist/Christian Democrat or Democrat/Republican and it's the same old tired politicos the world over.

I don't think the people of this world have ever been as cut out of the democratic system as they are now.

I despair of seeing the way individuals here are taunted by some because of the actions of their governments now or generations ago. "STFU you'd be speaking German if it weren't for us" - "us" - as if many posters here were fighting the good fight during WW2.

Or "your argument is crap because of wht the USA did at Abu Ghraib", as if any ordinary Joe in the USA had a say in that or any other foreign policy decision over the last 6 years. Most of us are just ordinary people going about our daily lives and apart from a hanging chad or an X in the box perhaps only ten times in our entire lives we're all as detached from real democracy as the next person.


reply posted on 22-8-2007 @ 07:39 PM by finallianstallion
I would like to see a clearly accomplished reason why people should be executed before it is truly shown that INNOCENT people are NOT killed in the name of a state/government?!
I dare YOU, ( I double dare you ) any one of you blood thirsty so called human beings to tell me that it is all right to kill a humang being in the name of a state/government. You are nothing more than a murderers.

Iran is executing a 16yr old for speaking her mind. That is WRONG.
But USA killing retarted people, that is as wrong. So who are YOU to judge?

"governor Bill Clinton (
www.fdp.dk... ) during his primaries campaign in New Hampshire in 1992 announced that he had to go back home to Arkansas to be there at the execution of Rickey Ray Rector, a black inmate who was so retarded that he asked the staff on death row to put the dessert from his last meal aside so that he could have it after his execution.

I will never understand USA´s so called justice. What is the state of your so called "justice". The most famous of them all, OJ Simpson. Not guilty in one case. But then he IS guilty in the same cae in another court and ordered to pay money to the victims mother etc??
Anyone in pure heart in here? Can you say there isnt something wrong?
Not guilty, then all of the sudden, guilty??

And that plea bargain thing that you got going on there?!? Thats like confess to something that you didnt do or you will be get 25 to life. I mean if I was innocent I would say HELL yeah I did it if it was up to 1 year or 25 year ??

What is wrong with you around there?????






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reply posted on 23-8-2007 @ 04:52 AM by nickh
Texas executes 400th inmate



cnn.com..
Texas, which leads the nation in carrying out the death penalty, has executed the 400th person since the state resumed capital punishment in 1982.

Johnny Ray Conner, 32, who was convicted in the shooting death of a convenience store owner in Houston in 1998, was on Wednesday the 21st man put to death by lethal injection in Texas this year.

He spent nearly eight years on death row.

Texas resumed the practice after the Supreme Court lifted a moratorium on it in 1976. Since then, 1,092 people have been executed in the United States, including Conner, according to statistics from the Death Penalty Information Center.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Well, their latest execution has gone ahead... they didn't take much notice of what the Eu had to say. Let's hope there will be no more after this.


reply posted on 24-8-2007 @ 11:48 AM by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Souljah

So no wonder death penalty is to stay in the U.S.A. - have to get rid of all those prisoners one way or anther. It costs the country way too much money. But have you ever wondered why are there so many criminals?



Well with 3500 total on death row and 200 added per year with 12 years of repeals and only 50 per year actually excuted. Do we need speed things up since your logic makes no sense?

Looking at the prison population per 100,000 China is close to USA and Russa, but there are concerns that they under report.

USA 743
The value of 743 in the USA includes 491 prisoners per 100,000 in prisons,and 252 prisoners per 100,000 in jails.

Russia 713
Great Britain 124
and Northern Ireland
Canada 102
Germany 98
Italy 92
France 80
Sweden 64
Denmark 61
Iceland 29

With close to 2 million incardinated in America we do have a problem, and a big part of that problem starts at home. The “family unit” in America is in serious trouble compared to the rest of the world, and the degradation of family values among some minority groups is to the point they are almost nonexistent. The black prison population of about 48% of the total is a staggering percent when only 15% of the US population is black.

Let’s look at out of wedlock births compared to prison numbers.

70% of Blacks are born out of wedlock and account for 48% of the prison population with 4.7% of the male black population in jail. With a large 12% of black males in their 20s in jail and so there are more black males in jail than collage.

50% of Hispanics are born out of wedlock and account for 20% of the prison population with 1.8% of the male hispanic population in jail.

25% of Whites are born out of wedlock and account for 32% of the prison population
with .7% of the male white population in jail.

Poverty follows this too with

33% Black children in Poverty

29% Hispanic children

10% White children


Our biggest problem is the freedom and ease of life that America offers, and this has created generations of people on welfare with prison just a part of the normal life cycle. We as Americans have not tried to stop these cycles and many stuck in them have apathy and do not want to do anything for themselves even if given the chance for it is easier to live the crappy life in America then to work and improve it. This apathy is passed on to future generations that look for the quick and easy buck and just end up in jail, or they look for any kind of family since they have none and they only find it in a gang.

If you look at the Asian minority population they have the lowest out of wedlock births and lowest for poverty which follows lowest percent per 100,000 Asian males in jail.

The problem is not the federal government, but more the state, local, community level to fix this.





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