Originally posted by iori_komei
The real reason we have such a massive prison population is from three main causes.

1. We make things illegal/prison time that should'nt be.
2. We have unfair sentencing times, for instance someone selling pot gets more
time than a rapist.
3. We don't focus enough on rehabilitation, rather we just have people sitting there
for there time and than being released (assuming they have'nt gotten multiple
life sentences), upon which they have a considerable chance of going out and recommitting
the crime when if they had been rehabilitated that chance would be incredibly smaller.

Originally posted by budski

This thread, as I have repeatedly stated, is not about the legality of anything - it's about the reasons for a high prison rate, in the US, as the law stands now.


^^^yeah, we saw you repeatedly state it...typical...you know, after 6 pages of topic, they usually tend to evolve or move on but still relavent...that is exacly what this is.....NOW you don't want to talk about it but you have to if you are talking about jail and people in it...it is a HUGE factor...

lets make it simple to keep it on your topic....the main reason for such a high prison population RIGHT NOW is the fact that grass is illegal...so, how do we fix it....?


It's not about changing the law.
It's not about legalising certain substances.

^^^sure it is

I have shown more than once that marijuana is not responsible for the high prison levels, but still you persist in an argument that has no relevance.

^^^^you absolutely have not....

If you have no interest in the topic, then find one that debates what you ARE interested in, there's plenty of them.


^^^^i'm interested in this thread, right here. thanks


As for LIVE - you have no idea who I am, what I do or anything to do with me - if anybody is close minded, it's you, you can't see past the end of your current burn.

[edit on 23/8/2007 by budski]

Originally posted by Johnmike
Just stop posting in this thread then.

Please.

You have done nothing but repeat yourself like a young child over the past three pages.

Originally posted by Johnmike
It's directly related, though. The populations of prisons are directly influenced by the laws that send people there. Crime rates have a direct impact on prison population.

Originally posted by Johnmike
It's directly related, though. The populations of prisons are directly influenced by the laws that send people there. Crime rates have a direct impact on prison population.

Originally posted by budski

By that logic, if you make everything legal there's no more prison problem.
Sorry, but that argument just doesn't hold water.

Originally posted by Boondock78
With a Heckler & Koch 91, a civilian version of a military assault rifle, Roszko shot and killed Royal Canadian Mounted Police Constables Peter Schiemann, Anthony Gordon, Lionide Johnston, and Brock Myrol as the officers were executing a property seizure on the farm.

Other officers initially went to the farm to assist baliffs in trying repossess a truck but Roszko fled in it. Numerous stolen vehicle parts and a marijuana grow-op were found on the premises. Search warrants were obtained and executed.
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convenient story you linked.....the fuzz went there to do a PROPERTY SIEZURE...as in to get his truck...they did notgo there for anythign related to grass. they discovered a grow op when they got there.

A by-product of the massacre was the halt to marijuana decriminalization legislation in the Canadian Parliament.
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pretty cool how a snippet can totally take a different form when you read, i unno, the relavent crap

Originally posted by Boondock78

Originally posted by budski

By that logic, if you make everything legal there's no more prison problem.
Sorry, but that argument just doesn't hold water.

does direct impact now = no prison problem???


i simply have to ask you, what is your problem?

you seem so damn uptight and wound up...seriously

Originally posted by budski
Oh, I get it - you're on 2 strikes and think the world's against you - but you don't want to or can't stop toking, so you embark on a crusade against the unfairness of it all.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

An example of a straw man fallacy:

Person A: I don't think children should run into the busy streets.
Person B: I think that it would be foolish to lock children up all day.

By insinuating that Person A's argument is far more draconian than it is, Person B has side-stepped the issue. Here the "straw man" that person B has set up is the premise that "The only way to stop children running into the busy streets is to keep them inside all day".

Originally posted by K-illuminati
hello guys well here is the deal the jail system will only get bigger, here is the current plan as they have it another terror attack will occur on or around the date 9/13/07 soon after marshal law will come into effect bush will keep control, also about camps we already have fema camps that were set up as far back as 1995, we have dozens of fema camps around us, and they will use them after marshal law, the first wave of using them will be when they start to come after NRA members all over us and take registered guns, they start small unsudden, and ease police state and marshall law and finally world govnt into place