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reply posted on 20-8-2007 @ 09:45 AM by citizen smith
Assuming you get away to your desired bug-out location undetected, the greatest problem I can see is long-term shelter and T.I. as any anticipated mop-up operation would start once people stop running. Any form of shelter would probably have to be below ground, much like the V.C. tunnels at Cu Chi which would greatly remove the chance of detection of your hideout

Edit to add:
Perhaps an idea to increase your chances would be to equip yourself with a recent-make video-camera, most come with a basic IR mode which (in theory) should be capable of picking up the IR night-sight illumination that the military use (think of the nighttime green-and-black footage of coalition forces in Iraq)



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reply posted on 20-8-2007 @ 07:10 PM by SButlerv2
reply to post by Yarcofin



What you know and have on hand also helps.

Look at what the Somali's did to the Blackhawks.



reply posted on 20-8-2007 @ 08:10 PM by Exmar
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Simple tactics
Nets and smoke are the hi-tech solution to TI. But even the most unsophisticated forces can evade TI by intelligent tactics and good SOPs. If you follow the basic rules of fieldcraft, you will go a long way towards defeating TI. Avoid open spaces and skylines by day or night, and use dead ground and cover when you are on the move. A patrol, exactly spaced, moving across the middle of a field at night, will stand out dramatically against the cool grass.
TI can see heat patterns through conventional camouflage nets and vegetation like thin hedges and scrub. But it is not an x-ray eye. Buildings, walls and even thick vegetation will conceal men and vehicles.

TI is most effective where the enemy is easily identified, for instance in the desert, open grassland, or the arctic. The most difficult is a built-up area, which may contain civilians and their vehicles. Heat patterns here will be enormously varied, with some buildings showing warm, and a confusion of blobs of heat from individuals, cars, trucks and even livestock. In this environment, soldiers must avoid behaving in ways that act like a signature - like forming a queue for food, parading in three lines, or even using the slow skulking walk of men moving tactically.

Garages, barns and even multi-storey car parks will help conceal APCs and tanks, which can be deployed as an armoured quick reaction force (QRF). Houses can be prepared for defence and will not only offer protection against small arms and shell fire, but also concealment from TI and other observation systems.

On the run
The techniques and equipment described above will assist the soldier, but can the fugitive use them? Clearly camouflage nets and IR smoke will not be used by the man on the run. But the fugitive can employ simple evasive tactics which will go a long way to negating the advantage of a pursuing force equipped with TI.
In car or on foot, the evader should aim to blend into the thermal clutter from other people or vehicles. Busy towns and cities are therefore better than open countryside. If a car is being followed by a TI-equipped helicopter, underpasses, tunnels and even cuttings may offer cover and perhaps the chance to change vehicles. If the driver suspects that he is under surveillance, he should not behave in a way that will attract attention - erratic, slow or excessively fast driving is bound to attract attention.

For the evader on foot, a crowd or any solid cover from above or the side, will give a few moments in which he can shake off the 'eye in the sky'. TI does not perform well in falling rain, snow or sandstorms, and search aircraft may be reluctant to fly in these conditions anyway. An added benefit is that snow or sand covers tracks and muffles noise. Finall, bad weather makes guards and search teams less alert.

As with any observation system, TI is only as good as the operator. As ranges increase the image becomes attenuated - in simple terms, the target becomes less distinct on the scope, and appears as an indistinct hot blob. If this blob behaves like a law-abiding civilian blob, the operator will switch his attention to other areas.

In two words, one of the best ways to defeat thermal imaging is 'act natural'.
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If you don't mind, I'm not listing the source. Also, except in cold weather, Pine trees give a heat signature close to a human (excellent overhead cover). When Afghans hear choppers overhead doing sweeps, they use wool blankets they carry as quick TI camouflage. Don't wear the blanket or it will heat up, carry it low on your pack and throw it over you when needed. I guess I need to specify don't do this on top of a hot rock or you will stand out as a black spot.

If you camp or go to the "field" buy a reasonable quality IR thermomater and tag objects (bushes, trees, lowspots/highspots, structures) and compare to the wool blanket you now carry to get experiance in blending in to your environment thermally.


reply posted on 24-8-2007 @ 04:00 PM by dr_strangecraft
Thanks for this thread. This is a topic I have absolutely no real knowledge of. It fills me with paranoia to even contemplate.


Couple of things I think of.

1. It would probably help if you had your own TI system, right? At least if you are armed. There's nothing that slows down a search, quite like return fire . . . especially when it's well-aimed. In this situation, you are not invisible, but neither is the other dude.

2. This tech isn't so widespread, outside of leading militaries, that it's universal. For instance, it still isn't that widespread in US law enforcement. I know from agriculture that every crop has a different heat signature. Yet for some reason, the govt. doesn't have the money or workers to eradicate every pot patch in the US and latin america. And it's certainly not for a lack of budget, or trying.

Theoretically, every basement grow-room in the states should have a glowing thermal image, from hydroponics lamps going full bore. Yet you don't hear of many busts like this. Back when I was still in law enforcement, the Supremes had ruled that thermal signature was not a private property, paper or effect, and thus it was not technically a search to point TI at a suspected "farm-house." Yet you don't see (m)any busts of this nature. Therefore, it must not be feasable for some reason. . . .

3. In a "fortress America" scenario, the sky-blue helmets are going to have their hands full just dealing with suburbia. ON AVERAGE, there is one firearm for every 2 US citizens. And the ratio goes up where the population is lower. See, it's one thing to occupy 3 million Afghans, who are still emerging from the dark ages. It's a different proposition to occupy 300 million Americans, half of whom are armed, and practically all of whom have cell phones and cars. If the UN had so much trouble policing downtown Beirut, I suspect that affluent suburbs would be an even bigger hurdle, given thousands of cars and thousands of acres. I've posted elsewhere about the futility of disarming the US public; point is, small groups of folks up in the mountains are just fewer shooters in the places the NWOers would care about.

4. From what the media lies to me, it seems that coalition forces in Afghan and Iraq are mostly focused on the cities, and that the hinterlands are pretty much no go zones. Factor in the cost of fuel, medicine and time delays when projecting force into remote areas, and you can see why. Based on this thread, I feature the Rambo-type survivalists actually not hiding in the dense wilderness, but on the edges of fields and farms, and blending in, bartering, and leading the food producers. That seems to be the taliban method in Afghanistan: a major offensive after the planting, and once again after the crops are in.
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