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Did the Space Shuttle dock at the Secret Space Station tonight?

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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 04:28 AM

Originally posted by housegroove23
Zorgon, John Lear and everyone else involved, Thank You very much for your time, hard work and efforts. Keep going and never let these guys through you off track. We are listening.

Thanks housegroove23. Don't worry they won't throw us off the track..

Just consider this... out of all the threads we are involved in, how many are there like 'these guys"... I count about a dozen maybe less... yet all I have to do is look at the stats on how many people are watching and listening, all I have to do is look at my U2U's emails and posts like yours and see where the scales lie...

So on that note I have been putting together a little presentation. There have been many contributors to put it together and a lot of research...

It will be a little 'tongue in cheek" presentation to put a little fun into this, but preliminary reviews are in...

Now JRA makes a good point... and we do intend to show the sheer volume of cargo that has been going up there. The actual figures like weight etc are still in the works but will be ready soon. Takes a long time to track these cargo manifests but they exist...

This will take a while to post and I may have to finish in the morning, so bear with me...

Let me introduce you to...

The International Space Supercenter shopping mall! (ISS for short)

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 04:30 AM

Originally posted by jedimiller
WOW! thanks, I'll have to work on drawing the space station on space. those drawings appear to have been drawn on a computer, i'm more of a hands on artist. I'll come up with something next week.

If you want I can email you a copy of the contractor report Just drop me a U2U

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 04:54 AM
Welcome to the
Shopping Mall

Someone asked the other day in one of the threads at

"But John, seriously, if there really were Secret Space Stations out there and bases and mines on the Moon and Mars, where the heck to people working there go to shop? Surely they don't make the trip back to Earth every time? and they must get pretty tired of packages space food?"

Now that is a fair question... and a good one because no matter where humans go we are spoiled and will want the things of home... So we put together this presentation to try to answer that for you. But first we wish to clear up a little Myth that most Americans are not aware of...

"How many parking slots does the ISS have?"

Parking Concerns

Image Credit: NASA/HMX

Well, it would seem that there are quite a few. One for the Shuttle, a second APAS capable port for the new HMX-ASS craft and three "Probe and Drogue" couplings, the lower two being capable of multiple moorings.

So parking while you are visiting to shop should not be a problem at all!

"How do you get to it from Earth?"

Currently the only way to reach the Shopping Center from Earth is via the Space Shuttle that NASA operates from Cape Kennedy in Florida. However seating is very limited. You might have a better change hitching a ride in Russia, but most of their ships are robotic freight carriers, and tourist flights are expensive, currently going at 20 million for a 10 day visit, so it may not be easy. There are several private companies working on projects that are promising and other foreign nations have space programs, but with little results for passenger space. The only other way is by the military transports, but they do not stop here...

On a recent Mission to the Shopping Center... Space Shuttle Atlantis took the following photo...

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Image Credit: NASA

Caption from NASA - S115-E-06750 (17 Sept. 2006) --- This view of the International Space Station, back dropped against the blackness of space, was taken shortly after the Space Shuttle Atlantis undocked from the orbital outpost at 7:50 a.m. CDT. The unlinking completed six days, two hours and two minutes of joint operations with the station crew. Atlantis left the station with a new, second pair of 240 foot solar wings, attached to a new 17.5 ton section of truss with batteries, electronics and a giant rotating joint. The new solar arrays eventually will double the station's onboard power when their electrical systems are brought online during the next shuttle flight, planned for launch in December.


Below is a description of the Vessels Currently docked. Click on both Images to get a larger view. A Progress Cargo Ship, a Soyus-TMA and a Soyuz-7K. Shuttle Atlantis took the photo. So here we have four vessels docked at the same time.

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Image Credit: NASA Text added Jack Arneson

Attention!! May I have your Attention Please!!
Progress Cargo Ship M-61 carrying Computer Equipment is currently docking with ISS at docking port 3 of the Russian Module Pirs. Off Loading crew please report to your station....

Ah! That would be the Progress M-61. It is a Automated cargo spacecraft carrying food, water, and fuel supplies for the crew, and equipment to repair onboard computers. Wait a minute... It has automatically docked with the global orbital station, mission control said. The cargo ship docked with ISS on schedule at 22:40 Moscow time (18:40 GMT) today Sunday August 05, 2007. It is delivering much needed additional equipment to fix the onboard laptops of the Russian segment, which crashed on June 11. The Russian crew, Fyodor Yurchikhin and Oleg Kotov, had temporarily repaired the damage but extra equipment was required.

This Progress shipment also delivered equipment to conduct space experiments as part of the Japanese program. The vehicle will delivered more than 2.5 tons of cargoes. They encompass oxygen, water and food supplies, propellant, consumables, science hardware and equipment, including 459 kg of equipment for the US Segment.

Now that Progress M-61 has arrived, currently docking at compartment module Pirs we have transport vehicles Soyuz TMA-10, Progress M-60 and Progress M-61 cargo transport vehicles. Progress M-59 cargo transport vehicle operating as part of the station on August 1, 2007 was undocked from Pirs module and de-orbited into the Pacific Ocean. The unburned vehicle structural elements landed at 23:28.

Attention!! May I have your Attention Please!!
This just in from Houston TX (JSC) Aug 05, 2007

The ISS Progress 26 (P26) is on course to arrive at the ISS just about on time, but the space shuttle Endeavor is going to be a little later than planned. The arrival of the new Progress scheduled for about 2 40 p.m. EDT.

Wow! Its going to get real busy around here next few days what with the Soyuz TMA-10, Progress M-60 and Progress M-61 already docked, and the Progress P29 and STS Endeavor on the way. That is the most I have seen berthed at one time since my posting...

They are bringing in a lot of material for the new additions. We sure need the space if this schedule is going to continue. Lets continue the tour...

Image Credit: NASA TV

"Essentially an empty shell of metal in 1995, the Zvezda service module takes shape at its factory near Moscow. The open holes at front will become docking ports." - Jack Arneson (5 Docking Ports in 1 Module)

Progress M-61 Cargo Ship With Computer Equipment Docks With ISS

Progress P-26 To Dock Sunday At Station

NASA STS118 Mission Endeavor - Launched Late Aug 8, 2007

Space Shuttle Endeavor lifted off from NASA's Kennedy Space Center on Aug. 8, 2007 following a smooth countdown. The STS118 mission was the 22nd flight to the International Space Station and Endeavor's first flight since 2002.

SPACEHAB Ready for Last Mission

The single module bolted into Endeavor's cargo bay will continue that work by carrying some 5,800 pounds of equipment and supplies to the ISS, according to Don Moore, director of ground operations at the company's Cape Canaveral, Fla., facility. NASA could still enlist a pressurized SPACEHAB module for a shuttle supply run in the future, but the flight manifest currently leaves that task to the Italian built multi-purpose logistics modules.

Image Credit: NASA

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 05:01 AM

Originally posted by defcon5

If this were not the case then it would be visible to everyone, just as others have mentioned.

Unless they are invisible...
Oh yeah, that sort of pathetic possibility does not excist of course...
Well, Proof me it does not excist...
You cant, its invisible...

Funny arguments of course.

But to see and understand the possibility of such things you have to step out of the reality as you know it. To do that you have to step out of the believe you have about what live is, what the earth is etc...
This step is a big one and "a not done step" for much people. They stick to their reality because it is save. Going out of it and accept more possibilities to add in their realities will make holes in the ground of their own believe... And as you know, people need ground under their feet...

Well, let us make some little steps...

-From a flat world, to a round world.
-The inquisition (very narrow perspective of things), to a brighter and "better" perspective and believe of things . (well, it seems there are some people still living in those ages right now...)

[And here you stick]

-Round world with life on it, to More round worlds with life on it.
-Technology as I see it in my life, to technology Beyond my imagination.
(Imagination as in:Lets imagine a step to make, and go to that "next step")

Just some thoughts:
Did you know a "real"scientist (almost) only publish something when he is sure about it.
Did you know science and the media will only accept something really new only when its "totally" sure its correct and actually happening.
Did you know that the time between a discovery has been made by a person to the time We (the public) get to know is a lot of time!
Did you know, even when something has not been proven but is actually occuring, it excists? That you can use it, even when its not proven...
Scientists have to make that next step in imagination too, to go to the real next step.

It has all to do with a greater perspective of things. Dont forget NASA tries the extraordniary, and uses it, even before they totally understand whats happening....
Not only NASA is doing it.

But then again, you dont believe this at all. You cant make or doenst want to make that next step



posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 05:02 AM
Construction and Expansion

Image Credit: NASA

Pardon our dust but we have some major expansion work going on to better serve your shopping needs. If you look out that portal on the left, you will see some major additions "Atlantis left the station with a new, second pair of 240 foot solar wings, attached to a new 17.5 ton section of truss with batteries, electronics and a giant rotating joint. The new solar arrays eventually will double the station's onboard power when their electrical systems are brought online during the next shuttle flight, planned for launch in December." This expansion is ongoing as the needs increase.

"What kind of accommodations are available?"

Hotels and Habitats

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

One thing we get a lot of requests for is better accommodations. Admittedly the Rooms available in the Shopping Complex are small and there are few available. However if you look out the other portal, you will see Phase Two is completed on the Bigelow Aerospace "Project Genesis". Robert Bigelow is a Vegas entrepreneur that has designed and launched modules for an Inflatable Hotel in Space. Only someone from Vegas could think up such a plan... (Click on the image above for a larger version. More wall paper available at Bigelow Aerospace). The project was launched with the help of the Russians and Space Suits will be provided by Zvezda For those seeking a future career you can pick up a brochure in the front lobby. They are currently hiring all positions.

For those of you who will be leaving here and going on to the Moon and Mars... you can make your reservations for the Habitats at the front desk... They are very spacious and clean well lit rooms. Instructions and emergency kits on repairing leaks are also provided.

Image Credit: NASA

These units are available either as individual "cabins" for your privacy, or you can choose any of the established complexes near the mining centers. The ones below are near Tsiolkovsky Crater on the Farside. These are very well known resorts and have been active since before the Apollo Mission. The images below were photographed by Apollo 15. Unfortunately those expensive cameras they had were out of focus that day...

Image Credit: Jack Arneson/Apollo15 Spacecraft

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 05:29 AM
Advertising Opportunities

One of the ways the Shopping Center makes money to support our facilities is the same way you do back on Earth... namely ADVERTISING... We have many options available.. Posters on our walls is the least expensive of the options and there is a lot of wall space on the station. Posters tend to break up the monotony of the metal walls and remind us of home. Robert Bigelow has a very interesting poster, taken from what inspired him. I am sure you have seen the message before... Look to the wall above your head...

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

Bigelow Aerospace also offers you the opportunity to "Fly Your Stuff" Click on the link or image above and find out how. And don't worry, we have lots of "space" up here.

There is a lot of traffic up here, what with the cargo flights to the stations and the mining operations, flights to the outer planets, the "Visitors" and not to forget the Military. Its a wonder we don't get more collisions. If you wish to reach traffic on its way to the the Moon , Mars and the outer planets that don't normal stop at "this" station there are two options we have available... We have banner space available on the outside of the station. Several companies have already taken advantage of this space very effectively through our sponsorship opportunities. The second option, Bigelow Aerospace has just completed their new "electronic billboard", again only someone from Vegas would conceive this...

Hello from Genesis II
Historic – First Time – Never Done Before!

Image Courtesy: Bigelow Aerospace

Lego Creates New Toy

Cosmonaut Talgat Musabayev plays with the LEGO Mars Planet Protector toy while aboard the ISS. (HO/WirePix)

Lego has just released their new toy in their "Life on Mar" Series. Here Cosmonaut and Soyuz Commander Talgat Musabayev tests one out in Zero G. I am told these are very popular with the kids on Mars.

"The Lego Company, being active in the non space area, in co-operation with Intospace, a space industry service provider, developed a space education project aimed at developing, launching and operating a Lego Robot on the Space Station. This series is a highly sophisticated assembly set with programmable microchips and advanced reaction systems such as light-, touch or rotational sensors. The space environment of the ISS was perceived as the right scenario for this hi-tech project."
Source - Smithsonian Paper

This Lego Robot does not sound like a toy! In fact the Smithsonian Report above states - "Therefore a public competition was announced to create attention offering interested people to participate in developing a robot that will be in the condition to support the ISS crew during their daily routine work."

You probably picked up a copy of popular Mechanics on your trip up here or while waiting it the lobby for the tour. Popular Mechanics has long been showing the world what's going on in Space. It's only fitting that they are a sponsor as well. You can purchase copies in the Commissary

Popular Mechanics

Cosmonaut Yuri Baturin, the flight engineer on space tourist Dennis Tito's Soyuz trip to the ISS, took Popular Mechanics to new heights - as it were - on his recent visit to the station.

Another opportunity available to advertising agencies is the shooting of commercials for television back on Earth. We recently did a Father's Day presentation for Radio Shack...

Radio Shack Shoots Commercial in Space
Image Courtesy: Luna Corp.

Radio Shack delivers Father's Day gift in space
International Space Station Astronauts Receive Father's Day Gifts

"Fort Worth, Texas - April 30, 2001 - The Russian cosmonauts who ferried up a fresh lifeboat to the International Space Station are delivering surprise Father's Day gifts for American astronaut James Voss and Russian cosmonaut Yuri Usachev. Radio Shack is sending them talking picture frames with photos and 10 second voice messages from their daughters.

Today's Soyuz docking is the last opportunity to have a crew deliver Father's Day gifts before Sunday, June 17. The visiting Soyuz cosmonaut crew of Talgat Musabayev and Yuri Baturin, who blasted off from Baikonur, Kazakhstan, on April 28, carried both frames up to the International Space Station."

Source Luna Corp.

Radio Shack First To Air TV Spot Filmed On The International Space Station
Commercial Launches May 27 For Father's Day See Here

Shooting on Location: Outer Space

Image Courtesy: Luna Corp.

"Luna Corp. created several projects that engaged the public's interest in space, and that were aimed at enabling direct participation in space exploration. It was founded in 1989 and was dissolved in 2003 after working with NASA, the Russian space agency and commercial sponsors on visionary projects. The company's former president, David Gump, is now CEO of Transformational Space Corp.

Luna Corp. was the first company to successfully arrange for a television commercial to be shot on the International Space Station. Radio Shack aired its space station commercial starting on May 30, 2001, and bought additional network time leading up to Father's Day because it drew such a strong positive response from audiences. The following is the news release issued by Radio Shack and Luna Corp. announcing the event."

Source Luna Corp.

Pizza Hut Delivers in Space

A Pizza Hut logo appeared on the side of the Proton rocket
that launched the Zvezda service module; part of Russia's
commercialization of its cash strapped space program

Station captain Yuri Usachev proudly displays the first chain pizza out of the gravity well. (HO/WirePix)

Capitalism Wins: Russia Takes the Lead in Space Age Advertising

By Todd Halvorson
31 May 2001

It's also the beginning of a new space race, one in which the Russians have once again taken an early lead over their American counterparts.

In what amounts to an orbital battle of "me first" product placement, advertisers in the U.S. and Europe are scrambling to get on board Space Station Alpha, which is being raised some 240 miles (384 kilometers) above Earth.

In may, four major corporations -- Radio Shack, Popular Mechanics, The LEGO Company and Pizza Hut -- paid to have cosmonauts promote consumer goods aboard the outpost. Meanwhile on Earth, U.S. federal government regulations have relegated NASA to the sidelines as the cash strapped Russians are rocketing off into a new age of high flying advertising, marketing and promotion.

Said Jay McGill, publisher of Popular Mechanics: "Anything can be done for rubles."


Pizza Hut Celebrates Successful Delivery to Space
22 May 2001

"Pizza Hut announced Tuesday that "the world's first space consumable pizza" had safely arrived on the International Space Station (ISS), where it was eaten by the astronauts living onboard.

"Wherever there is life, there will be Pizza Hut pizza," the Dallas based pizza chain's chief marketing officer Randy Gier said in a statement. "If space tourism is going to be a reality, Pizza Hut pizza will make the trip even better."


"Despite the unusual delivery address, the pizza, called "the culmination of nearly a year of collaboration" between the company and Russian nutritionists, largely conformed to the familiar recipe served up by some 12,000 Pizza Hut restaurants worldwide -- crust, tomato sauce and cheese.

However, the vacuum sealed space pizza was topped with salami rather than the traditional pepperoni. "Researchers found that pepperoni did not withstand the 60 day testing process," a company release rather cryptically stated."


Pizza Hut Puts Pie in the Sky with Rocket Logo

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 05:32 AM
Capitalism Wins: Russia Takes the Lead in Space Age Advertising

"The US restaurant chain Pizza Hut has announced that it has become the first company in the world to deliver a pizza to outer space. The company is no stranger to making deliveries in bizarre circumstances - in 1991 they delivered pizzas to Boris Yeltsin and his supporters, who had prevailed over an attempted coup. When food supplies dwindled in the Russian Parliament building, Mr. Yeltsin

BBC News: Pizza sets new delivery record

Pizza Hut now holds the record for the first pizza delivered to space, the fastest delivery, the furthest delivery and the highest delivery. Speaking of which, I believe it is time to take a break and have something to eat. Follow me....

"That brings up a good point, what's the food like up here?"


Continued tomorrow.... The best is yet to come...

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 06:33 AM
reply to post by zorgon

AHHHHHH keep it coming. Getting interesting to say the very least. I can feel my head swelling as i take all of this in. I feel that regardless of other's opinions, to which thay are rightly allowed, I prefer to remain open minded.

Thaks Z and JL and others.

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 08:33 AM
[sarcasm] Well, your parody rather than your facts has me convinced, lol. [/sarcasm]

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Lunica
-From a flat world, to a round world.
-The inquisition (very narrow perspective of things), to a brighter and "better" perspective and believe of things . (well, it seems there are some people still living in those ages right now...)

[And here you stick]

Whoa…Whoa…Whoa there sport…
I think you have things 360 degrees, dead on, backwards!

Folks believed the world was flat based on superstition and faith, rather then science, logic and fact.
Folks allowed the inquisition based on faith, not on science, logic or fact.

See what I have stated in this thread is scientific fact, while they have presented belief.
So you see, I am not the one who is stuck, I am the one who can separate facts from someone’s belief.

If you keep following the bad science such as that of this thread, then within a number of years you’ll be thinking that the bad aliens out there going snatch your soul and store it on the moon if you don’t wear a special icon and say the correct mantra. Now simply replace the word alien with devil, moon with hell, and it kind of sounds a bit like what the Roman Catholic Church once taught, under pain of the inquisition, doesn’t it?

So who here is teaching the flat earth again???

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 10:31 AM

Originally posted by defcon5

Folks believed the world was flat based on superstition and faith, rather then science, logic and fact.
Folks allowed the inquisition based on faith, not on science, logic or fact.

See what I have stated in this thread is scientific fact, while they have presented belief.

So who here is teaching the flat earth again???

LOL, You missed the whole point as I expected.

Science did Not know the earth was round too. Yes, some people expected it and afterall tried it (going to the next step), but the public only knew after they actually tested it (and even then it took time to understand it was reality) They sticked to their believe faith and superstition.

Nowadays you see the same problem. In most of the religions there is no place for such weird stuff as aliens. Or for the atheists, they just stick to their faith or whatever. Science and facts... facts based on? a certain believe...
Believe stick to the imagination of the scientist itself, or sticks to what "we" think/believe is possible....
Well, When going beyond this point we will discover far more. (like allready happends at this moment, but the public doesnt know)

And you dont want to know

The inquisition is an example where people just act on faith and a certain explanation of religion... Even science in those days was based for a great part on religion. The next step for them was to overcome that pathetic explanation of religion and go beyond imagination... Thats the point.

History tells us that what we see is not the world as it actually is... Its very naief to think otherwise

But I guess you dont understand a word of this...?
(Afterall, English is not my native language


posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 10:42 AM
reply to post by slaveearth

Not sure what your other 'Three Favorite Threads' are but this one was debunked by a good majority. Ignorethefacts is right and you are more then welcome to put me on your ignore list as well for agreeing with me. I am infact adding him/her (Sorry Ignorethefacts i'm not sure what sex you are) as a friend, as I agree with them.

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Lunica
Science did Not know the earth was round too. Yes, some people expected it and afterall tried it (going to the next step), but the public only knew after they actually tested it (and even then it took time to understand it was reality) They sticked to their believe faith and superstition.

As early as the Greeks it was scientifically, and mathematically known that the world was round, this idea was rejected by the church until much later however. The reason being that it was hard to justify that there were folks who were outside the reach of the gospel and thus outside the reach of salvation, as well as things such as the creation story and Noah.

By classical times an alternative idea, that Earth was spherical, had appeared in Ancient Greece. Pythagoras in the 6th century BC, apparently on aesthetic grounds, held that all the celestial bodies were spherical. However, most Presocratic Pythagoreans considered the world to be flat.[5] Around 330 BC, Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth,[6] noting that travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon. This is only possible if their horizon is at an angle to northerners' horizon. Thus the Earth's surface cannot be flat.[7] He also noted that the border of the shadow of Earth on the Moon during the partial phase of a lunar eclipse is always circular, no matter how high the Moon is over the horizon. Only a sphere casts a circular shadow in every direction, whereas a circular disk casts an elliptical shadow in most directions.

Originally posted by Lunica
But I guess you dont understand a word of this...?

Yes I understand exactly.
You wish to believe in this theory, even though the facts go against it, because it is something you wish to believe in. Basically you take it on faith alone, as science and fact go against it. You are heading in the opposite direction of logic and science.

Your entire argument is flawed from the word go anyway, as your original speculation is incorrect. The early societies believed the Earth to be round based on mathematics and early astronomy.

[edit on 9/19/2007 by defcon5]

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 11:37 AM

Originally posted by defcon5

As early as the Greeks it was scientifically, and mathematically known that the world was round, this idea was rejected by the church until much later however. The reason being that it was hard to justify that there were folks who were outside the reach of the gospel and thus outside the reach of salvation.

Yes I understand exactly.
You wish to believe in this theory, even though the facts go against it, because it is something you wish to believe in. Basically you take it on faith alone, as science and fact go against it. You are heading in the opposite direction of logic and science.

Your entire argument is flawed from the word go anyway, as your original speculation is incorrect. The early societies believed the Earth to be round based on mathematics and early astronomy.


Now place yourself at the side of the people (in retro perspectiv) who are rejecting everything not suitable to their believ or whatever has to be the truth about the origin of the earth (the history, the future, the possibilities beyond etc...). You will never understand there can be more then you actually know.

History, as you allready say, tells us the opposite. There is more to know then the point we are standing. (I guess you agree with that, otherwise there will be no development at all). To get to another level you have to overcome the bounderies in which you believe or think.
I guess you understand the possibility that people in those days rejected everything they didnt actually see as possible in their live because they didn't see it, they couldn't see it, maybe it wasn't even discovered/invented or it was discoverd/invented but that knowledge was only known with some people who made that invention.
Its happening again!! As it always does.
You still stick to what you see and what you can see and reject everything else...
Of course this information (the "big stuff") is some big steps further, a much higher level then most people can guess there would be. But its naief to think nothing at all is happening. Lets say 50% is really possible... WoW!! ?

I dont wish to believe this theory. This theory is as suitable as the world is round. Its very clear and simple.
Only... you reject it... because you use arguments based upon older ideas or only arguments suitable to the common sense of our society at this moment.

The facts are not against it. There are a lot of facts that substantiate this ideas (you have to see the big picture, thats however very hard to do as I experience with a lot of people).

My original speculations are incorrect in your point of view, they aren't but based on a wider common sense...

And thats difficult to understand. Because psychological its hard to accept.

The early societies believed the Earth to be round based on mathematics and early astronomy.

The egyptians and other civilisations where far beyond that point allready. Then we had to discover it again :S
That makes no sense at all... Here we see history tells us that humankind knows a lot, then we think the earth is flat, then we discover again the world is round as the greeks did or whoever discovered it again.
It tells us you must not stick to what mankind thinks we know (because there is more to know). Instead of that you have to step out of that nearsighted perspective...
Another world will open for you!!! Amen

Or, just stay where you are and dont know. Thats the choice.

I understand its difficult to really understand this post when thinking tottaly in another concept.


posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:11 PM

Originally posted by shd...this one was debunked by a good majority. Ignorethefacts is right and you are more then welcome to put me on your ignore list as well for agreeing with me.

I think that is meant as not agreeing. Once I weed out the "good majority" the thread should become more manageable. Say 'bye-bye' shd, you are about to go invisible!

This is just too fun! It is like a turkey shoot!

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:34 PM

Originally posted by shd but this one was debunked by a good majority.

Debunked? Already? WOW and I haven't even started yet showing the evidence, so far we are just touring the civilian sector... haven't even started on the military or the 'Black Russians' yet...

But I suppose if you have already examined all the evidence, there is no point in me continuing then huh?

posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 12:59 PM
Food in Space

You have probably all seen the Discovery Channel and other reports talking about the food we eat out here. Foil pouches and the like. There have been several reasons to "disguise" this from the public, reasons I cannot reveal here, and quite frankly, its not my area. However now that you are up here on your way to the Moon or other destinations we can show you a little... In the last shipment alone we received over a half ton of fresh fruits and vegetables. They don't keep long here so we need to move them 'down the line' quickly, but as you can see by the crew, oranges and grapefruits are a big hit up here.

"I watched the Hi-Def 30 minute broadcast of an "interview" with one of the crew members of the ISS on Discovery HD channel on 08/15/07. Ten minutes of it was on what they eat. No mention of fresh fruit or vegetables. The Commander showed dehydrated food packets, fruit juice packets and everything was in packets. Not a banana, apple or veggie in sight or even mentioned."
- Jack

Our main supplies come through Russia. And just like in the Advertising Department you saw mainly Russian activity, this is also true of the Cargo Shipments. NASA has long had a policy of not endorsing products because they are funded by the government and tax dollars. You can review some of their policies in the library HERE

It has also been NASA's policy not to show the public too much... few in America even realize that Russia runs supply ships up here even though they simply need to look at the photos of ISS on NASA images and see the ships docked. It is curious however to note that while they do not cover the food on mainstream TV, they do show the school children back on Earth what we really eat.

Perhaps they wish to prepare the next generation and show them Life is not as harsh out here as they have been told...

The supplies are brought up by the Progress Series. Just as an example...

Progress M-59... a Russian automatic cargo carrier that was launched by a Soyuz rocket from Baikonur at 02:12 UT on 18 January 2007, toward the International Space Station. It carried 2.5 tons of food, fuel, water and equipment and docked with the PIRS module of the ISS at 03:03 UT on 20 January. [2]

Progress M-60... a Russian automatic cargo carrier that was launched by a Soyuz-U rocket from Baikonur at 03:25 UT on 12 May 2007. It carried 45 kg of air, 419 kg of water, and 1.4 tons of dry cargo, 241 kg of fresh fruits and vegetables, 136 kg of medical equipment. [2]

Now for those of you not using the metric system, that is over 500 pounds of fresh fruits and vegetables. So you can see we are not suffering for lack of good food, despite what they tell folks on TV back on Earth.

In the NASA publications for the school children 9-12 you will see that they state...

"Currently, the Russian Space Agency provides half of the food consumed on the ISS, with NASA supplying the other half."

Lets go into the food storage area and I will show you some of the cargo manifests...

"Fresh fruits and vegetables (apples, bananas and carrot and celery sticks) were first flown on STS-6 in April 1983. Oranges, pears, nectarines, grapefruit and jalapeno peppers have also flown occasionally." [1]

"Fresh fruits such as apples, bananas, and oranges, and fresh vegetables such as carrots and celery sticks are loaded onto the Space Shuttle less than 24 hours before launch in a special fresh food locker, which also contains such things as tortillas, fresh bread, and breakfast rolls. During space flight, fresh fruits and vegetables have a short shelf life, and many must be consumed within the first 7 days of flight. Carrots and celery sticks are the most perishable items in the fresh food locker and are recommended to be consumed within the first 2 days of flight." [3]

"The Russians send onions, garlic and tomatoes with each Progress shipment to the International Space Station (ISS). ISS crew members report that the fresh fruits and vegetables from Shuttle and Progress add variety to their diet and increase crew morale." [1]

Now as you can see on the shelves, we do get tons of food in dry packages and other containers. The Russians still prefer the old style tin cans, requiring a can opener. The Service Module that contains the ISS galley is provided by Russia and is designed to accommodate Russian food packages. The Russian galley dining table has slots for heating foods that are sized to fit both can sizes, tubes and the bread packages. [1]

"Cultural differences between the two food systems include the lack of any typical American breakfast foods. There is also more fish on the Russian menu. Some of their breakfast items include perch, both pickled and spiced, and fox berry juice, a mixture of wild cranberry and buckwheat gruel. Several thermostabilized and dehydrated cottage cheese items appear in the menu, mostly with fruit. And, of course, we cannot have Russian food without borsch, a soup made of beets." [1]

Fortunately for crew members, the pantry is well stocked during missions. Due to American and Russian astronauts sharing living space aboard the ISS, NASA provides half the food supply, and the Russian Space Agency furnishes the other half. Entrees such as beefsteak, chicken teriyaki, scrambled eggs, and beef stroganoff with noodles make up the NASA menu, while the Russian ration includes chicken and rice, fish, ham omelets, and prune omelets. Both menus also feature an assortment of fruits, vegetables, and snacks. [4]

"New supplies of fresh food are one of the most prized deliveries for astronauts brought to the Station either by the Space Shuttle or by the unmanned Russian Progress supply ship. Astronaut Whitson said that when a Progress supply ship arrived after she had been in orbit for months, “Fresh fruit and tomatoes seemed like a fantasy… Tomatoes have never tasted so succulent and apples so sweet!” [3]

"Even when fresh fruits and vegetables are not available on the Space Shuttle or Space Station, astronauts have them available in other forms. Things such as applesauce, fruit cocktail, dried fruits, peanuts, and fruit juices have a much longer shelf life, and will last throughout a long Space Station stay." [2]

"Bananas and oranges became less popular over time because of the odor they produce. The fresh fruits and vegetables are loaded on the spacecraft 16 to 24 hours before launch. The odor permeates the spacecraft. Upon arrival in micro gravity, some crew members may become nauseated and then associate the odor of the fruits and vegetables with the nausea." [1]

"The in orbit shelf life is two to three days for most fresh fruit and vegetable items because there is no refrigeration." [1]

So you can see by the above statements that it is imperative that the fruits and vegetables are redistributed rapidly. Consider the logistics of moving a half a ton through the 'network', and remember that that is merely one shipment, representing half the volume of food that passes through here from one shipment. And that's only the fresh goods. There are medical supplies, electronic equipment and many other items that move through here. It keeps the staff very busy...

Just what did you Earthers think we did up here for months on end?

1) Fresh Fruits and Vegetables in Space - 05.13.04
Editor: Shelley Canright - NASA Official: Brian Dunbar - Last Updated: March 4, 2006
2) International Space Station & Russian Progress Launches
Jack Arneson, Pegasus Research
3) Fresh Ideas For Space Food
Courtesy of NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate, January 9, 2003
4) NASA - Exploration Systems - Raiding the Cosmic Pantry
NASA, Author : Space Research Newsletter, Editor: Space Research Editorial Board

UPDATE Re: "Raiding the Cosmic Pantry"
NASA ALERTS Page Moved or No Longer Available
We're sorry, we have reorganized our site and the page you have requested may have changed or is no longer available. If you do not find it on the new site and you would like to request an archived version, please contact Alex Pline.

How about that? We start looking at cargo manifests and the fruits and vegetables and "poof" the page with the oranges disappears

PEGASUS NOTE: We found the above page "Raiding the Cosmic Pantry" with the photos of the oranges and grapefruits in google cache and saved a copy. Below is Jack Arneson's observation


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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:13 PM
OK, we have NASA Shuttle reports on Fruits & Vegetables that say carrots and celery (Ugh), have to be eaten in two days or they will spoil
Progress delivers 243 kg [of F&V] after 3 days. In one case the fourth day.
No refrigeration on the Progress, Shuttle or ISS.
Half the F&V are already breaking down by the time Progress docks.
ISS commander shows [for Discovery] only packets of this and that.
B. Morgan [Shuttle teacher] shows M&M's in sealed packet and more packets of this and that on the ISS.

Where is the over 500 lb. of F&V?

Must be in here on the Russian Space Station in a refrigerator. - Jack Arneson

Almaz (Diamond) (more on this later)

"Do they have a post office up here, can they get packages from home?"

At the moment the US Post Office does not deliver to Space. Most of the personal packages are brought up in the cargo transports or the shuttle... as well as the high tech equipment...

Progress M-59
"The most important cargo of Progress M-59 is the new Liquid Unit (BZh) for Elektron-VM system..."

Progress M-61
"Along with other cargo, the spaceship is also carrying books, movies, gifts and other personal items for the crew".

Progress M-60
"Progress is carrying 241 kilos of food, including fresh fruit and vegetables, 136 kilos of medical equipment, medicines and personal items - which includes parcels from the families of crew members. Specific to the US side of the ISS, Progress is carrying 377 kilos of food, equipment and clothing."

NASA STS (Space Transport System) Shuttles
"To help break up the monotony, there are usually two space shuttle visits that deliver a bonus container about the size of a lunch box filled with items not included in the baseline menu such as candy, cookies, preferred store bought items, and fresh fruit."

Most of the Cargo we get delivered comes by the way of Russia in the Progress automated ships, but several Private companies are also involved. There is a lot of material coming through here. CSI has been under contract with us since 2002 with their LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System, an innovative, patented method for resupplying space stations using existing technology. Currently they are using Progress ships, but their space tugs are a valuable asset for us. Another company is Rocketplane Kistler, launching out of Woomera, Australia

But from time to time when we need something in a hurry, we call FedEx...


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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:27 PM
LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System

Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI)

Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI)

"NASA's Alternate Access to Station project — part of NASA's Space Launch Initiative — awarded four contracts on July 12, 2002 to expand options beyond today's capability for delivering supplies to the International Space Station. These awards, with a combined value of $10.8 million, will cover 12 months of work."
- NASA News Release 07/12/02

"Constellation Services International, Inc. (CSI) is an entrepreneurial orbital human space flight services company that is currently focused on cargo logistics to low Earth orbit (LEO) space stations. CSI is developing the LEO Express (SM) Space Cargo System, an innovative, patented method for re-supplying space stations using existing technology."

"The sixteen partners in the International Space Station (ISS) project currently spend well over $1 billion per year to resupply ISS. NASA's budget for ISS crew and cargo services is scheduled to grow to approximately $500 million per year after the Space Shuttle is retired in 2010. Meanwhile, private ventures are planning private space stations which will need low cost economical resupply."

"CSI's patented service "disaggregates" the space logistics supply chain into an orbital space tug and a standardized cargo container. Since the launch vehicle only transports the cargo container, and not the entire spacecraft, the CSI service delivers more cargo to orbit for any given launch vehicle . If one launch vehicle becomes unavailable because of technical problems, the standardized container can easily be launched on other launch vehicles."

"CSI's LEO Express (SM) system can use many spacecraft as orbital space tugs.The earliest tug the system can use is the existing Progress spacecraft which is already certified for ISS operations. Over time as the Crew Exploration Vehicle, or other spacecraft, become certified for ISS operations they also might be converted to a reusable orbital tug."

CSI is a Delaware corporation, founded in 1998. To reach us:
Telephone: 1.818.710.3877
Constellation Services International, Inc.
2313 Via Puerta, Suite B, Laguna Woods, CA 92637

Fed Ex
Olympus Space Utility Vehicle (SUV)

Command Module (CM) – A scaled Apollo capsule 4.6 meters in diameter. The internal volume has a flat back wall for mounting powered and unpowered Mid Deck Lockers as well as Cargo Transfer Bags. Cargo Transfer Bag payloads while water and gas bottles, fill the remaining cargo volume. The Command Module incorporates structural provisions for seats to rapidly convert the capsule for crew transfer missions. This packaging arrangement provides flexibility for meeting a broad range of commercial customer requirements.

Andrews Space, Inc. Olympus Commercial Orbital Transportation System
Capacity: 4 Persons + Cargo
Olympus Commercial Orbital Transportation includes the Olympus Space Utility Vehicle (SUV) and the Olympus Launch Vehicle. The Olympus SUV is a reusable spacecraft capable of transporting unpressurized cargo, pressurized cargo, and crew – all during the same mission - to and from the ISS and other orbital destinations.


Copyright © 2006 by the International Astronautical Federation or the International Academy of Astronautics


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posted on Sep, 19 2007 @ 01:49 PM
Rocketplane Kistler

Kistler Aerospace Cargo Ship Docking with ISS

Contract: 2008
Price: K-1 Cargo Shipping Rates List Prices - SEE HERE

We are very pleased to announce that we have teamed with Rocketplane Ltd Inc. of Oklahoma and will continue operations as Rocketplane Kistler (RPK). We are the developer of the K-1 fully reusable aerospace vehicle, designed to deliver payloads to orbit and provide a low cost alternative to single use launch vehicles. The K-1 is fast becoming the industry leader in reliable, low cost provider of launch services for commercial, civil, and military payloads destined for Low Earth Orbit (LEO), Medium Earth Orbit (MEO) and Geosynchronous Earth Orbit (GEO), as well as to and from the International Space Station (ISS).

Orbital flight tests and commercial operations will be conducted from RPK’s commercial spaceport at Woomera, Australia, and performed by Kistler Woomera and Spaceport Woomera, wholly owned Australian subsidiaries.

An additional commercial spaceport is planned within the USA.

RPK Wins $207 Million Award to Demonstrate International Space Station Servicing

The Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) contract culminates in two flights to the ISS with first launch of RPK’s K-1 launch vehicle in late 2008.

Rocketplane Kistler

It is truly amazing how much freight we have to handle up here... people back on Earth just have no concept of the logistics. Its funny that no one ever does the numbers and wonders "Where is all that tonnage going to?" Just look around you, its not that big up here
And since we run a minimal crew, a lot of freight being handled by robotic equipment, just how much food do they think our crew can eat? Lets continue...

"What about Tourism? Are there any opportunities for ordinary visitors?"

Tourism in Space

Look out the portal on the left... the view you see of the curvature of the Earth seen from orbit provides one of the main attractions for tourists paying to go into space. Tourism is certainly on the Horizon, but current trips to Luna and beyond are only for those with clearance. There is too much risk of exposing operations. There are many private companies offering low level flights, but they are in the $200,000.00 plus range for a few minutes in space... so quite out of the reach of common travelers. Our good friends in the Russian sector offer the occasional opportunity for an 8 to 10 day stay here on this station.. but it seems they have discovered the benefits of capitalism... price tag for one of those excursions is 20 million.

But NASA is annoyed with our friends... seems they are not keen on the idea of tourists up here. I am not sure why they feel this way, after all they are supposed to be a publicly funded organization.

Well that's the end of the tour for today. I hope you enjoyed it. Back in the lobby area while you await your transports you can browse through some literature on the various vacation packages and tour flights currently available.

Also there is a short film for those interested about the Progress Automated Cargo Vessels that support operations out here in space. Many will be surprised as to the number of support vehicles we have.

Thank you and have a safe journey...

Dennis Tito

Dennis Tito makes history as the first 'official' space tourist. The trip cost him 20 million. Dennis does not like to be called a 'space tourist' but the media have stuck him with this after his historic flight on the Russian Soyuz TM-32 to the ISS in April of 2007

Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported
By Yuri Karash Moscow Contributing Correspondent
posted: 04:00 pm ET 16 May 2001

"Dennis Tito received a frosty welcome from the American crew aboard the International Space Station (ISS) during his sojourn in space, according to his crew members at a post landing briefing held Tuesday in Star City, Russia.

"Having entered the station, we immediately felt that the U.S. crew members had been instructed to keep their distance from Dennis, and they followed this instruction," Soyuz commander Talgat Musabayev said at the event, held at Russia's cosmonaut training center." [1]


"Tito and others reported that the greeting from the Americans aboard the ISS were less than cordial and made for a somewhat tense stay while on the ISS." [2]

"Nasa objected strongly when last month American space tourist Dennis Tito spent six days on the ISS, having paid a fee of $20m (£14m) to the Russian space programme." [3]

"Unfortunately, some of Mir's good traditions are not observed onboard the ISS," remarked flight engineer Yuri Baturin. "When visiting crews docked to Mir, the station main crews had always asked the visitors what they would like to have for lunch or dinner, even before the hatches separating the station from Soyuz were opened. When newcomers entered the Russian station, warm food had already been waiting for them."

According to Baturin, he, Musabayev and Tito had to wait for three hours after entering the ISS for a meal. "Its too bad that even Yuri Usachev, Russian commander of the ISS, had apparently given up his traditional Russian hospitality to observe the U.S. developed rules and procedures," said Baturin.

Baturin and Musabayev took the lack of traditional welcoming bread and salt onboard the station, as one of the most eloquent signs of U.S. dominance in the outpost. "[1]

"In conjunction with the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and Rocket and Space Corporation Energia, Space Adventures facilitated the flights for the world's first private space explorers: Dennis Tito, Mark Shuttleworth, Gregory Olsen, Anousheh Ansari and Charles Simonyi. The first three participants paid in excess of $20 million (USD) each for their 10 day visit to the ISS.

NASA Public Affairs has used the term Space flight Participant to designate space tourists. Tito, Shuttleworth, Olsen, Ansari, and Simonyi were designated as such during their respective space flights. [6] lists Christa McAuliffe as a "Space Flight Participant" (although she did not pay a fee), apparently due to her non technical duties aboard the STS-51-L flight." [4]

"With the realities of the post Perestroika economy in Russia, its space industry was especially starved for cash. The Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS) offered to pay for one of its reporters to fly on a mission. For $28 million, Toyohiro Akiyama, was flown in 1990 to Mir with the eighth crew and returned a week later with the seventh crew. Akiyama gave a daily TV broadcast from orbit and also performed scientific experiments for Russian and Japanese companies. However, since the cost of the flight was paid by his employer, Akiyama could be considered a business traveler rather than a tourist.

In 1991, British chemist Helen Sharman was selected from a pool of public applicants to be the first Briton in space. [2] As the United Kingdom had no space program, the arrangement was by a consortium of private companies who contracted with the Russian space program. Sharman was also in a sense a private space traveler, but she was a working cosmonaut with a full training regimen." [4]

1) Tito's Soyuz Crew Says ISS Visit Less Cordial than First Reported
2) Space Tourism - Dennis Tito
3) BBC News: Pizza sets new delivery record
4) Private space tourism - Wikipedia

Image Credit Tass News Agency

Q: "You've written before about the need to commercialize space. What does that mean, and how does it compare to the prevailing attitude abut space, especially NASA's perspective?"

A: It's quite insidious. NASA's version of commercialization is not privatization. Those are two very different words in NASA's mentality. NASA's view of commercialization is: "We, NASA, own everything. We own all the hardware. We own the facilities to move people back and forth, and when they get there, we own that facility too."

So in our scheme of commercializing things, we intend to be in business. They are a federal agency that's tax exempt and that gets $14 billion a year. And so they are paying no income taxes and here they are absolutely in business. They take 100 percent of the revenue of any company that pays them to do anything. And that's wrong; that's absolutely dead wrong. And it's a huge competitor to free enterprise."

Q: Why do you think NASA has been reluctant to allow tourists in space, like Dennis Tito, for example?

"Well, it's the mentality that "we own space." NASA stands for "No Access to Space for Americans" -- that's what it stands for to me and to most Americans. NASA has exclusive control and a lock on everything having to do with space, except for the Russian side. And they were just beyond belief in being rude and obnoxious [in response to Dennis Tito's trip]. It was just embarrassing to this country." [5]

5) My own private space station - Interview with Robert Bigelow


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