Originally posted by Karma2600
In response to why I believe its advantageous for the US government to be the leader in 911 as well as a possible future nuke hit.
Did 911 destroy america? Or weaken it?
911 resulted in a trillion dollar pipeline deal through Afghanistan and changed the worlds 2nd largest oil resource from Euros back to Dollars.
First of all, as far as i know these are the facts about "pipeline deals in Afghanistan"....
Even before the war there were some U.S. companies who had deals with the Taliban government in building such pipelines...
The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company
Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.
news.bbc.co.uk...
So in fact a war would stop such negotiations...
Second of all, and this is from April 2006...
Minister for Mines and Industries Mir Mohammad Seddiq Ishan said that no decisions had been made on which companies would implement the
project, but that a tender would be held to identify interested parties.
“It may be too big for one company,” he said. “Perhaps several companies will bid on it.”
www.ens-newswire.com...
But it shouldn't be a surprise that some members would make generalized comments which are not close to the truth.
Also there is the fact that several countries found that "the perpetrators of 9/11 were all Islamic extremists" and not one country found any
evidence of the "U.S. government being behind it"....
For example authorities in Spain meanwhile investigating the Madrid bombings found that the 9/11 attacks on the U.S. were planned in Spain by
Islamic Extremists....
International
Judge links suspect to Spain, 9-11 attacks
Moroccan accused of helping planning
Maria Jesus Prades
Associated Press
April 29, 2004
MADRID, Spain -- A Moroccan fugitive sought in connection with the March 11 train bombings in Madrid was indicted Wednesday on charges of helping to
plan the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States -- the first suspect linked to both attacks.
www.spokesmanreview.com...
Originally posted by Karma2600
So what did or has the war on terror achieved? Its certainly not made Al Queda a fortune in arms supplies and sales. They havent crumbled the power
of America in fact with the Patriot Act, Guantanamo etc America is far more powerful than it was in 2000.
The Guantánamo Bay Naval Base has existed in Cuba for more than a century, and holding terrorist suspects, which happen to be in most cases people
who were fighting against the coalition or were helping the terrorists, does not make "America more powerful".....
It would be the same as claiming that European nations jailing terrorist suspects "is making Europeans more powerful".... Such detentions is
helping stop other attacks and such, but it is not making "America more powerful."
Originally posted by Karma2600
I take the point that american senators etc have families in these american cities all over. You dont need to have the approval of hundreds to
detonate a device in an american city for it to be a conspirated action.
i might as well claim that "Extraterrestrials have every motive to nuke America and they don't need to tell hundreds of people or anyone in the
world"...
Claims are not facts, please stick to the facts.
Originally posted by Karma2600
If you think intelligence is not capable of such things consider how MI6 managed to keep being on the verge of selling Argentina more exocets in
various guises and frauds during the falklands. Unbeknownst to them they were dealing with MI6 consistently, and unbeknownst to the majority involved
in the attempted trades. Spanning various countries and cultures.
I am not about to start searching about what MI6 has done or has not done, and I have come to see in these forums that some people tend to overlook
facts and only make claims, and sometimes post sources which seems to back their statements but when scrutinized you find the truth is different from
those claims made.
The fact that you are now talking about MI6, which is a Brittish agency, tells me you have no facts to back your claims about anyone in the U.S.
government planning such an attack....
Is it possible? yes everything is possible, but "being possible" does not make anything a fact....
It is also possible for me to modify my genes and grow wings but "because it is a possibility" it does not make it a fact.
Originally posted by Karma2600
You could also consider the power of what the terms of unrestrictive warfare means. To use terrorism to attack key targets is fine. You really
believe islamic fundamentalism will eventually destroy america with car bombs, plane attacks, and the odd dirty bomb?
I can't talk about terrorists since their mindset is totally different than mine... They use their own children strapped with bombs to kill
people....So i don't know what could be in the mind of terrorists except that "they want to terrorize the world and submit it to their extremist
side of Islam." And I know this because terrorists themselves have been saying this is exactly what they want among some other things...
Originally posted by Karma2600
Again what happens when a terrorist act - lets say nuclear goes off in an american city - and the finger points to Iran.
You are making an assumption about an event which hasn't happened yet, hence it is trivial to discuss such an event since "it hasn't happened".
Originally posted by Karma2600
Unrestrictive warfare, America immediately has the right and will to defend itself and has no need to consult the UN and has carte blanche to attack,
invade, and regime change Iran in the interest of self defence. They become, unrestricted 
Again, you are talking. in this case writting about events which haven't happened.... Some members in these forums have predicted that the U.S. will
nuke or invade Iran for years, and every year it is claimed that year it will happen, the year goes by and then the claim changes for the next year,
and the next year, and the next year....
Originally posted by Karma2600
And the Khuzestan oil starts pumping in dollars not euros 
.....heh?..... Deals can be made with nations without resorting to "the U.S. government making a nuke attack on U.S. soil...."
Originally posted by Karma2600
China versus the USA is a relatively separate issue in that the focus is on the possible conspiracy to attack america with a nuclear device in a
false flag op.
The Issue is who would have the motive to want to nuke a city or several cities in the U.S.
Conspiracies are not only about "the U.S. government being behind everything"....
Originally posted by Karma2600
But I will say this to elude to what I mentioned earlier about the illusion of sides. Consider the chinese financial threat to the USA. If China does
cash in its bonds and hurt the US economy, all the more reason for the US to secure more oil resources in the middle east.
The fact that the U.S. would try to secure some sort of deal for oil resources does not make this a reason for the U.S. government detonating an
atomic bomb in the U.S....
[edit on 22-8-2007 by Muaddib]
