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a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
Originally posted by halfmask
Both are completely based on belief but, Religion is a belief in something other then people and science is a belief in people. In reality I have learned one thing, people are here and we live together, I think it is more wise to take each others word over that of a so called god who is not us and looks down on us from a place we can't reach.
This is just my opinion but, I much rather believe in the people around me over someone or something I never have met and most likely never will. After all god can just end up being a story but, my family and my friends are right here, right now, I choose to believe in them.
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
Ok. I know this will earn me ever more flames (not to mention more rheotoric cast my way) but I think it is painfully obvious that science is a religion. Sure, a religion that denies religion but a religion all the same.
It has it's saints (Einstein, Newton, Darwin, etc and so forth), it has its men of the cloth (scienctists).
And it has its fanatics (agressive atheists).
Heck, it even has its denominations (the various theories and whatnot that some accept and others don't).
It attempts to ease that age old malaise that all men posess, that is the fear of the unknown.
We fear what we do not understand and hate what we fear.
So we try to classify it, to know it and in some measure in our minds give ourselves control over it. Science like religion is a construct of mankind and that fear and want for control that mankind has.
We do not know for certain a lot but many people would have you believe we do. Case in point the theories about soo many things that we have no way of TRULY proving. How can you prove what resides in the center of a star since we have no way of getting inside?
Or what truly causes the formation of a blackhole? Simply put if we aren't there how can we truely know for sure?
Or even what is the basis for matter when we can't even see atoms, even with our most powerful microscopes we can't see into matter.
Sure the evidence may point a certain way but how many people have gone to jail innocent for the crimes of which they were accused only to be later exonerated?
Simple fact is a theory is guess work, sure educated guess work but guess work all the same. Yet so many theories are accepted as fact.
P.s.= And to clarify I am on neither side of the science versus religion debate. We live in a grey world and when people polarize they are trying to make it black and white, through shear force of stupidity.
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
First, I'm not a sir, thank you.
Second, if you are entitled to call science a religion, I am entitled to call it nonsense. That's the First Amendment for you, go figure.
It's not a matter of belief or opinion, it is a FACT. Science is not a religion.
If you're offended by that, I don't know what to tell you, except sometimes the truth hurts, I guess.
May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage.
Originally posted by ixiy
If science was a religion, it must be the most tolerable religion ever, because you can practice/use it with or without any other faith.
Should christians, and other theists who use science be considered to be practicing 2 religions instead of 1?
For that matter, if science was a religion, it has been practiced by all of mankind from the dawn of our tool using ancestors till now, (the religlion the all modern mankind practices), because even the cavemen who made fire and weapons, used sicence to create them sucessfully and repeatedly without needing any modern knowledge of physics or chemistry.
I don't think they prayed to and ask for these 'gifts' from whatever it was that they may have prayed to at that time.
Try not using science and living in the wild without any tools, sleeping in caves without constructing artificial shelter, clothes or items, this way the theist can be sure that he/she is not 2 timing his/her own religion with the science religion.
Curiously I am interested to turn science into a religion, but who do I pray to and worship for salvation? Should I idolised the holy science book or the advanced skynet computer system? Which dead or living pioneer, leader, genius, inventor, scientist should be prayed to and worshipped?
What should the divine commandments of the science religion be?
example: Thou should not interbreed with people from the direct family (incest) because without new useful genetic information (from other more different people), harmful inbreeding mutations are concentrated and repeated in later generations?......
...at least it gives a reason/explanation even if it was not fully understood....
[edit on 21-8-2007 by ixiy]
Originally posted by saint4God
Science isn't a religion. One can have faith in science in the same way one has faith in a religion, though it should not be the case. Science should be based upon The Scientific Method of observation, data, mechanistic modeling, testing, validation, reproduceability and proofs. Science has been my course of study and profession, through it I believe I'm learning more about the inner workings of God. It's fascinating to see the order and structure in biological systems (as well as in astronomy, chemistry and others). The more I study the understanding of probabilities, the less it appear that "things just clicked by accident". If one is a believer in God, then science is not a competitor against God, rather a set of laws created by Him to give us the consistency we need to be progressive and make sense of our surroundings. Without that consistency, we'd be spending all our time trying to figure out what's going on rather than fulfilling our true purpose.