Will the Neo-Cons kill Ron Paul if these straw poll results continue?

Ron Paul rocks! I'm gonna vote for him in the primary regardless of if he has a chance or not. If he were to gain enough support, nothing the elite would do would surprise me. It would most likely start with constant hit pieces from the media followed by some type of scandal (imagined or overblown).

Now on to a sidetracked subject that really gets me, and (sorry 11B) shows the ignorance of regualations of people who say it's wrong. A US Flag displayed on the right shoulder should appear with the blue facing foward, to give the appearance of the flag being carried foward. Imagine yourself as a flag bearer holding the colors with the pole centered and the wind blowing in your face. Someone on your left will view the flag normally, with the blue toward the left. Someone on your right will see it with the blue to the right. A normal image flag on the left arm is correct.A reverse image flag on the right arm is correct. A reverse image flag on the left arm is incorrect. A normal image flag on the right arm is incorrect. It seems like police and fire get this wrong more than soldiers.

Originally posted by tom goose

Originally posted by CreeWolf
I doubt anyone is going to kill Ron Paul. He'll just go by the way of Ross Perot. I really wish there were the perfect candidate out there. The selection looks pretty limited. I know here in Iowa there is a lot of talk about Ron Paul from some coworkers I have, but even my favorite conservative talk radio station seems to be afraid to really "endorse" him. I don't like the fact he wants to get rid of the CIA. That would weaken national defense significantly. The candidate that has my vote will acknowledge the threat of Radical Islam and its violent ways, uses the phrase "illegal immigrant" not "undocumented worker", and wants to lower my taxes, privatize social security, and not try to make my United States a socialist state.

Democracy works. If it didn't, you wouldn't have so many people who WANT to live here and WANT to blow it up when they can't.

DarkHeartRising, you ARE my friend in this forum! Im impressed with your "values" you seem to have and a "level head"!

im going to try and be polite about this as possible.
Nobody wants anything from the US. the US has absolutely nothing to offer the world. that is why they have the CIA and all the military technology in the world. The US has not enough natural resources to maintain its living standards, so you usee the CIA and your "National Defense" to go and take resources from other nations.

If you want to be the big bully of the planet. admit it, please dont hide behide phrases like freedom and national security, unless you say it the way it is meant. to take others freedoms and maintain it internationaly.

im not trying to pick a fight here, but it is just crazy to me to think that people are affraid of being attacked in america, when all america has been doing for the last 50 years is attacking other nations. Ron Paul knows that if he pulls his countries interests out of other nations then there will be no need to protect themselves from anyone.

Look at Canada, canada has more natural resources than the US could dream of, but we are not going around threatening everyone to stay out, and we dont need to. at least not for now.

[edit on 20-8-2007 by tom goose]

You ignorant canuck. Canada exists at the whim of the United States and it always has. If no one wants anything from the US they sure have strange ways of showing it. You just sit up there with your head up your arse and keep believing your own drivel while we continue to secure your borders and let you play sovereign nation up there. We have plenty of natural resources to "maintain our living standards". Let's see canada grow all of it's own food and fight it's own military battles and then you can come in here spouting crap. You're ignorance is astounding.

[edit on 21-8-2007 by GKHaley]

[edit on 21-8-2007 by GKHaley]

My votes going to Dr.Paul,

What a lot of people don't realize is that yes he has his personal beliefs, but he doesn't let them get in the way of the Constitution, Freedom is what this Country is about and he believes that regardless of what his or anyone else's personal beliefs are, That we are all free and we are supposed to be able to do whatever we want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

You will look at some of his votes and say I don't like that, but, if you understand why hes voting for what he does, it makes sense.
its constitutional.

People need to stop trying to force there own values or moral beliefs upon others, I personally don't support abortion or gay marriage, but these things are not my business these people aren't hurting me So who am I to tell them what they can and cannot do?

Freedom, is the ability to do that which you want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, My personal beliefs on whats moral or immoral are my own, and I have no right to force those upon others.

Regarding the flag issue, again something I don't personally condone, but I do condone there right to do it, restricting this right is restricting freedom

Dr.Paul knows this.

Regarding the national security issues, pertaining to surveillance outside the U.S again look at the Constitution, The U.S is supposed to be a safe haven for freedom, Allowing this type of surveillance here would be unconstitutional, therefor allowing it to be conducted by our government abroad would also be unconstitutional, (if its unconstitutional here, its unconstitutional anywhere, we cannot violate that)
And this stance is without even bringing up the fact our founders wanted our government to maintain a non interventionous policy, What other Countries do isn't our business, (unless it threatens our security, Or they request us to get into there business)
Yes we are in a state where other countries do threaten our security, but this is because our government didn't follow the Constitution and stay out of the affairs and business of other Governments... (this goes back to the beginning of the last century)


Also regarding a comment that Democracy works, No it doesn't thats why we have the problems we have today, If people would understand that no majority has the right to deprive a free person of his or her rights and simply mind there own business the problems we face today would not exist, The problem is the people and the government don't follow the Constitution.

The Governments intended duty was never to rule, but to protect, To protect the individuals rights, to protect Freedom, not to restrict it.

The problem is there is a large misconception this country is a Democracy where the majority can take away the rights of the few, this is unlawful...

This isn't a Democracy its a Constitutional Republic, meaning that if this Country were run as it was intended to be run,
No majority could deprive any single person of his or her rights.

FREEDOM.

[edit on 21-8-2007 by C0le]

I cant tell if this video is funny or not...? Demented ?..Yes. ...Sad?..Yes. ..True?..Yes ...Funny? ??

dailypaul.com...

Originally posted by GKHaley
You ignorant canuck. Canada exists at the whim of the United States and it always has.

What are you like 15 years old?
Toms post was spot on accurate, and all you have to add to the conversation is your childish belief that Canada exists at the whim of the U.S.? Follow that up by calling people ignorant and I guess you dont really have to add anything of value do you GK?


And to the poster that said the flag should be backwards when worn on the right shoulder.
Yeah well, the flag SHOULDNT be worn on the right shoulder, and it WASNT worn on the right shoulder until 1991, the FIRST gulf war.
Now if the United States Army can go for over 200 years, two world wars and numerous other conflicts without having to wear a backwards flag, then why would they start wearing it backwards during the first gulf war?
I have read their rationale, as week as it is, and all I have to tell you is there are regulations and procedures for flags, and when those regulations and procedures are thrown out by the very people that are suppose to uphold them, then something is amiss.
You can support the backwards flag all you want, but it is a disgrace to every soldier who has ever died defending it.

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Canada has like 5 people per square mile or 3.3 per square kilometer.

the US has 29.77 per square mile. 30 people per mile, and only half the miles are capable of agraculture, that is 60 people trying to grow enough food to live on one square mile.... ya, keep those imports comin guys, you need thats for sure.

who can grow their own food? You think Canada cant grow their own food? If we pulled the plug it would lights out for California and kiss your fresh water goodbye, all your rivers flow south from canada, can you say dam it?

my appologies to all level headed americans on this board, but the only boarder concern that we seem to have is american corporate take over. People here are not affraid of terrorists, and most that ive talked to believe america is the only terrorist nation that exists in the world.

I just realised that the poster im relpying to is a new member and probably just hit run me, but i already wrote it, so im posting it anyway.

sorry to experienced members, probably shouldnt have wasted my time our the sites bandwidth.

I never knew about the backwards flag, I find it odd, especially when I think about the upside-down flag thread recently.

It seems like the military, with their reverence for tradition and evocative national symbols, would be the last element of society to start flying the flag backwards.

As for Ron Paul, he continues to talk more sense than any of his opponents, and continues to be ignored by the national media.

Unfortunately I think that part of this is because much of his natural constituency has already given up on the political system, and thus doesn't vote

Thus, in the minds of the movers and shakers, they can be safely ignored.

[edit on 8/22/07 by xmotex]

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You really think burning the flag should be illegal? I guess you don't value freedom of speech as much as I do -- which I find an odd position for any frequent user of this site.

Oh well...

Either we have freedom of speech and it protects those things we most detest or we don't have freedom of speech at all. It really is that simple.

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the problem with the 60's is that it created this mentality, like yours, that it is "ok" to disregard symbols that actually meant something before. You hide under the banner of free speach and use it like a "get out of jail free" card. Like I told the other ats flag burner, try this back in the 40's and 50's and see how far your "freedom of speach" excuse got you.

Honor used to mean something...'til the hippies showed up...

Another day and another Ron Paul straw poll win.
Anybody who thinks he is not the frontrunner for the nomination after winning 4 straw polls in a row....gets all thier news from Fox. He should run the rest of his campaign from a bomb shelter...for his safety.


www.prisonplanet.com...


Washington, Illinois, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and Alabama all went to Ron Paul.
How many did Rudy win?

[edit on 23-8-2007 by DrPaulisENKI]

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wow you know i woud be willing to overlook some of his negatives if he really does what he says he wants to. that is of course if he doesn't RIP before we get a chance to vote.

Ron Paul one another straw poll. www.prisonplanet.com...

It's official imho..... our so called Democracy has been hi-jacked by a a bunch of criminals. This guy is knocking out wins in the straw polls state to state and we can't even get the " Fair and Balanced " mass media to give us some decent coverage on his message and campaign . A message that just happens to be about getting back in line with the constitution, upholding our national sovereignty, and getting our economy back from the bankers. Geez...Sounds good to me!! I mean c'mon ....its total BS that it has gotten this bad. Even those of you who are backing a different candidate should be outraged that an American man with Ron Paul's accomplishments towards our nation can't get a fair shake in 2008.

[edit on 5-9-2007 by DrPaulisENKI]

I think the media is just a tool of bush's master plan so I doubt anything and everything I hear from them anyways. Hannity and combs, all those douche's over at fox news who criticize ron paul for wanting to take out the FBI and CIA are being paid to tell people that he's all talk. I have no respect anymore for anyone of a higher authority. Ron Paul voters being turned away shows us all how corrupt the government is. Everyone knows if ron paul doesn't win- its because they cheated the system and I doubt that they'll get away with that. Ill move to canada if we get another corrupt monster of a politician for a president.

If Ron Paul wins pre-selection for GOP and runs for presidency....then its because the shadow government wished it to be.

he's popular with republicans because he's the only one who still has traditional republican values of a small government with limited intervention. Bush & Co. have changed what it means to be a republican over the years by spending billions on the war and bullying other countries around.

He's also popular with democrats because he's against the Iraq war. He's not really a republican... he's more of a libertarian independent, but he knows he has no chance of winning if he doesn't register as republican or democrat because we have a silly two party system.

Just caught this on DRUDGE

Ron Paul Wins Online Straw Poll

DES MOINES, IA - Texas Congressman Ron Paul has won the first-ever online Iowa straw poll, capturing a commanding 44% of the over 6,000 votes cast in an online poll sponsored by Iowa Congressman Tom Latham's campaign. The results of the two-week online poll (located at: onlineiowastrawpoll.com) were announced one day before Saturday's Ames Straw Poll, which is considered by most as the first real test of a presidential candidate's organizational strength in Iowa.

www.kcautv.com...

YEAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Executive Order 11110 was reserved by two acts:

Public Law 97-258, passed by Congress in 1982 and Executive Order 12608, invoked by Ronald Reagan in 1987

Very nice bump!

Funny how history repeats itself.

Only 4 years ago, yet Ron Paul fans are oblivious to it.

reply to post by darkheartrising


Please tell us darkheartrising, what does the American flag stand for ? And just who in America does it not represent ?

If he really acts on his "promises," I'd believe he would be in actual danger. He wants to bring 'change'. Yes, we can hear this all again. Only time will tell. Also, I'm pretty sure those machines are rigged. He could win a couple 'online' polls here and there, but the main fight is the real fight. I do however think he's the best choice, besides myself. I don't agree with all his views, but most of them I agree with. I wonder what his view is on the space act, giving money to other useless countries, and actually prosecuting other government officials for treason. I just hope it's not one of those things that turned out too good to be true.