Originally posted by Valhall
I work in the scientific community. I work with chemists, physicists, and engineers from a vast array of cultural upbringings, religions and philosophies on life. You would not believe the number of people, that if the topic is just slightly referenced (even in a humorous way), will make a statement that lets you know they believe life is out there.

Apparently the only people who do not believe it are the U.S. government, and in particular the DOD.

Val, I'll bet my bottom dollar that there are many people in the government (particularly as you say, the DOD and the Military-Industrial establishment) who not only believe in Alien life, but it's possible that these very people also have access to ET technology which has been back-engineered to produce some esoteric hardware.

But, of course, they cannot admit it, can they? It's Top Secret - Eyes Only, stuff being researched under so called 'black projects' like Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works.

These guys know a helluva lot more than they would ever care to admit.

Cheers! Here's to mud in their eyes!!

mikesingh -- this portion of the article is my favorite.

"There was a human group that looked so much like us that that really drove the admirals and the generals crazy because they determined that these people, and they had seen them repeatedly, they had had contact with them…. These people looked so much like us they could sit next to you on a plane or in a restaurant and you'd never know the difference.

It make me wonder if I have ever met any of them. In the past I have met a person with very intense blue eyes and when you got close to them you could 'feel' the intelligence surrounding them. I remember being 'uncomfortable' being around the person. this has been a number of years ago but the impression stayed with me.

Carl Sagan says, “An advanced civilization millions of years old is as much beyond us as we are beyond a bush baby or a macaque.”

Yeah ... who would want to talk to a bush baby



and to the person who said bugs aren't sentient ... please tell me how you know for certain?

In the same sense, how would a far more advance mental being determine we are sentient? Do we not look like ants? We take stuff from the ground and build our mounds. We cater to a central structure (gov't or QUEEN) ... we do mindless activities nearly everyday, following the same paths and routines.

For the most part, we, are just common animals to a society that travels the stars.

Oh, you say that we have drug abusers ... well, lab rats will shock themselves, koalas eat eucalyptus ... we have physical relations for pleasure ... so do dolphins. How different are we? Not much from an outside perspective.

We kill each other. That isn't very smart. We cannot communicate with everyone ... we make funny noises ... we are still quite primitive, honestly. So we harnessed a bit of energy ... well, 150 years ago we were pooping in the ground and lighting wicks at night across the majority of the planet. We needed other animals just to get anywhere with any amount of swiftness.

In fact, we are way too primitive to be allowed out in the rest of the universe. We are like the Ferengi (sp?) from Star Trek, minus the space technology. Greedy, arrogant, immature beasts. Of course not all of us, but most. If we fight over our own land, we fight over our own resources ... we abuse and allow people to die in poverty because of a false concept called money ... why would you want to associate with us? Why would you want us tainting the rest of space with that nonsense?

I think we are a teenage species, that won't be allowed to play until we mature.

Sorry for the rant, but, when people think they understand everything, just because it is said as so ... well, their limited thinking irks me.



I have watched this scientist on tv before, I always respected his views and ideas ... and think he speaks well. I would try to study under him if I still aspired for that field.

Originally posted by Platinumstorm

Mike, 19/20 times I am very critical of your posts, but you actually found some true, provable information this time. So thank you for not posting utter crap this time.

If anything in your post, you have understated how many scientists truly believe in alien life.

At the outset let me correct your English. You said, “So thank you for not posting utter crap this time.“

Well that is YOUR perception. NOT most others who probably think otherwise. Your sweeping statement should have read, “In my humble opinion, most of your threads are crap.” So that makes it YOUR opinion and not that of others.

And hey, Sticks and stones are only thrown at fruit bearing trees!

That said, let’s proceed…

If anything in your post, you have understated how many scientists truly believe in alien life.

I know! But what keeps them from going public on the issue? What are they scared of? Their reputation? Do they lack the spunk to do so? Are they scared of being treated as outcasts in the 'scientific' community? This is sheer hypocracy, because these are the same guys who outwardly trash anything concerning the truth about aliens. They are the ones who are denying the truth except to themselves! Because they know that ETs are as real as the nose on your face!

I have an open mind. I don't know if aliens exist. I haven't seen a UFO either. But plain logic says that aliens and UFOs are a reality. For example....

ETs could have evolved hundreds of millions of years before the Solar System was even formed five billion years ago, considering that the universe is +- fifteen billion years old. Their technological levels must be mind-boggling and much beyond our comprehension.

So is it too far out to suggest that their technology is so unimaginably advanced that traversing the galaxy is all in a day's work, frequently 'visiting' planets of other systems? And have 'bases' too on the planets of our Solar System? Mars....Moon...Saturn? Is that an impossibility?

What do we know? What do you? Next to nothing about what's going on out there! There are more things in heaven and earth than can be dreamt of.....

Cheers!