Iran Hangs 30 people Over 'U.S. Plots'

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Well sorry,
people start labeling muslims as living in the dark ages, simply for executing people whom snuggle up to the US committing treasonist charges.

No, people start labeling certain muslims in Iran as living in the dark ages for MURDERING TEEN GIRLS AND RAPE VICTIMS.

Youve got to accept the fact, that the people executed were being supported by the US.

How, by being raped? The U.S. didn’t rape them. Israelis didn’t rape them. Bush didn’t rape them.

Iranians raped them.

This then brings the US into the conversation.

Why? We don’t execute rape victims who defend themselves.

it seems people are so quick to be labeling Iran 'evil' like bush did, which I fear is a result of him using his media contacts

A: If Bush had these great media contacts the world and his own nation would probably view him in a better light.

B: Iran is evil. They murder rape victims and fornicators. That is evil. Murder is bad. If Bush is evil and Bush hates Iran, that does not make Iran good.

for example, How many saudi’s were executed today, does that bother to make the news?
how many chinese were executed today.. does that bother to make the news?

No one started a thread about the Chinese or the Saudis. Someone did start a thread about the Iranians, and we are supposed to be commenting on it.

IF you cant accept the fact people DONT see eye to eye deal with it, instead of carrying on liek you are now.

Its not an eye to eye thing. It is black and white. Murder is wrong. If you think different you are wrong. Just like rape is wrong, and if you think different you are wrong. the PC crap has to end somewhere. It is universaly held by all human societies to one degree or another that murder is wrong.

Iran did an evil thing, and if dont think that then you are wrong and I am not afraid to say so.

IF you cant handle people talking about Iran, terrorists and bush in the same light, because they deserve to be, stop bloody replying or posting back to them.

ITS THAT SIMPLE!

If you cant handle people calling you out for what you do, then stop doing it.

ITS THAT SIMPLE!


[edit on 20-8-2007 by cavscout]

I must be missing something here..

but the people who RAPED were the ones executed.
and the people who are mingling with US assets involved in a revolution against the regime were hung.


where do you see women and childeren being hung?

This thread is about Iran being evil, because they are hanging people.
I retort because the only reason we see this in such blinding light is because the west right now is looking for any possible reason to vilify Iran as being evil.

thus, if we were in the news of reporting evil acts, simply for them being inhumane, we'd be reporting on the countless chinese or saudi's being executed.

or dont you understand?

Like I said, if you dont like the fact Im going to argue against this policy, then dont reply back, dont quote me.
Im sick of talking to a wall of bricks anyways.
so reply dont reply, quite honest your one person on here I just cannot stand.
and i know you feel the same about me! so we'll agree to disagree

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
The mods have already handed me a warning for another thread, so its not like people get special attention.

I know the feeling, you've probably noticed the little red badge of courage over here under my avatar...

.....

Anyway, the predominant problem that people like myself and Muaddib are having is that the anti-Bush agenda works it's way into just about everything here on ATS and we're sick of it.

Good threads, good topics and good potential discussions are being trivialized and derailed because of obsessive Bush haters lacking any semblence of rationality to discuss anything maturely; They simply want to bash Bush at any opportunity and trivialize anything that doesn't make him look evil.

Yesterday in a thread about an ammunition shortage in Milwaukee, a moderator had to chime in with the statement "Maybe we should ask the US military to stop shooting indiscriminately and randomly in Iraq and Afghanistan? It's exactly that kind of ignorant anti-Bush agenda I'm talking about.

It happens spontaneously in lots of topics but this particular thread we're in right now is the best example I can provide of how truly annoying it is. You can't view anything on level ground, you're so busy trying to shove everything to the far left as fast as you can that you don't even notice the cliff's edge when your credibility plummets straight off it.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
but the people who RAPED were the ones executed.

Nope

where do you see women and childeren being hung?

It was posted on the first page.

www.news24.com...

Nazanin told the newspaper: "I committed murder to defend myself and my niece, I did not mean to kill him. I did not know what to do because nobody came to help us."

urrm, your argue about discussing the topic, yet use another unrelated article posted by someone who claims

Shall I show you what sort of evil people Iran hangs?...

and you wonder why people are so agit8d at your attempts to show the US in good light?

heh, yeah good luck.

point is, Iran executed peoeple because hte US was using them to force regime change in Iran.
It has nothign to do with girls being executed.

once again, the big prominent aspect of this article you appear to ignore is the US bit.

times to precious to even bother any more
continue you bashing of all evil middle eastern nations.
your a lost cause!

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
quite honest your one person on here I just cannot stand.

Well that hurt my feelings.

and i know you feel the same about me!

No, I love you. I think you are great. And wish the best for, I really do. The way you always try so hard sound smart, its adorable! Why, you’re just cute as a button, with your little metal face. Grr!

so we'll agree to disagree

Sorry, in the name of denying ignorance I just cant do that. Somethings just aren’t an opinion you can just "agree to disagree" on. Some things are important, my cute, hateful little friend. Some things (at least for Iranian women) are life and death.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
and you wonder why people are so agit8d at your attempts to show the US in good light?

Oh, you mean how I constantly say we are wrong? That good light? You haven’t been paying attention, it’s that brick wall you can’t see around. You did say you had a brick wall in front of you, right?

point is, Iran executed peoeple because hte US was using them to force regime change in Iran.

That is probably exactly what happened! You are probably right about that!

And then they went out and killed some innocent woman for killing a man, because that is what they do in Iran, kill innocent women. Because they are evil.

It has nothign to do with girls being executed.

Now you sound like an American politician. "What little girls? I didn’t see any little girls! Oh, you mean those little girls. Forget them, they don’t matter."

continue you bashing of all evil middle eastern nations.

They aren’t all evil.
But Iran is.
Isn’t Israel in the Middle East? See, not all of them are evil, some of them are God's people.

Iraq is nice too. And I love Turkish coffee, although they don’t really count, but then I am American, so I count them all as Middle Eastern, so long as they worship the moon god Allah, have brown skin, and kill innocent women for being, well, women.


Youre so fun, Agit8dChop. So cute I just want to hug you to death.

[edit on 20-8-2007 by cavscout]

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
urrm, your argue about discussing the topic, yet use another unrelated article posted by someone who claims

Shall I show you what sort of evil people Iran hangs?...

Unrelated article?....Those articles are showing that in Iran people are executed for lesser offenses and the Iranian regime claims those people are criminals... That is not unrelated...

Unrelated topic is trying to turn this thread into another "U.S. bashing and blaming thread"....

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
and you wonder why people are so agit8d at your attempts to show the US in good light?

heh, yeah good luck.

The people who get agitated when some other member or I show they are exagerating, and at times making up stories about the U.S. are always trying to derail threads into "a bashing blaming thread against the U.S.", just like you have been doing to this thread...

Those people are not agitated because they are showing any truth and others don't believe them"....

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
point is, Iran executed peoeple because hte US was using them to force regime change in Iran.
It has nothign to do with girls being executed.
.............

The point is that the Iranian regime makes claims about those people they hang, yet doing a little bit of research the truth is found that those people are hanged for lesser offenses which include being too pro-democratic, "having a sharp tongue", etc...

I have never said anything about "all Middle Eastern people are evil"... in fact I have stated many times that many Middle Eastern people are being murdered by Islamic extremists...

That 16 year old Iranian girl was Middle Eastern... Just like all those moderate Muslims killed by Islamic extremists are also "Middle Eastern"...

Nazanin told the newspaper: "I committed murder to defend myself and my niece, I did not mean to kill him. I did not know what to do because nobody came to help us."

Yeah self defence is a dodgy topic though isn't it?

I bet there's a few cases of people being accused of murder when they were defending themselves over here or in the US, if we pull them out of the bag does that mean that you and I are living in the dark ages?

I'd bet there's a lot of murderers on death row that were actually defending themselves at the time, and now they're getting executed. So does that mean that the USA is living in the dark ages and we should blow them up?

Look up 'double standards' then look in your own backyard.

Has anyone found any evidence that any of the 30 people hanged were actually "helping the USA" ?
I imagine in the situation we are in at the moment,that the US/Brits have been undertaking secret missions in Iran-probably with the help of locals who dislike the Iranian regime.
A few bombs have been going off there recently-I remember one where a bus load of rev. guards(?)got bombed.
Its possible that covert actions are taking place,but can anyone connect these hanged people to the actions?
Surely,if the Iranians had evidence of US mischief they would have shown this on TV/News as it would have been a propaganda coup for them.
Does any such footage exist?

How Quick Some People Forget...


Remember this?

US-Iranians Charged With Spying

Iran says they've uncovered a western spy network

U.S. Sponsoring Kurdish Guerilla Attacks Inside Iran

Retired U.S. Col. Says U.S. Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran

But of course that does not mean anything. Iran is the country, where the great Antichrist lives and works from. People quickly forget (or do not even know) about certain laws in Saudi Arabia and how people are being tortured and killed there for certain violations of their Sharia Law. Yet they can do whatever they want to - since the Prince is in bed with the Bush clan the following actions are approved by them:

Corporal and capital punishment, right to representation

Saudi Arabia is one of a number of countries where courts continue to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and lashings for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness. The number of lashes is not clearly prescribed by law and is varied according to the discretion of judges, and ranges from dozens of lashes to several thousand, usually applied over a period of weeks or months.

Saudi Arabia also engages in capital punishment, including public executions by beheading and stoning. While some are also executed in private by firing squad, many executions are popular public attractions. Beheading is the punishment for murderers, rapists, drug traffickers and armed robbers, according to strict interpretation of Islamic law. In 2005, there were 191 executions, in 2006 there were 38 and as of July 2007 there were already 102 including 3 women.

But I guess that is OKEY, right Muad'dib?

Iran can't.

Saudi Arabia can.

So - what exactly does that mean?

Ahhh, you sure do remember that word, starting with letter H?

What the heck?....

Humm, what is the difference between "hanging a girl for having a sharp mouth", or hanging "students because they were calling for soft revolution", and the death penalty for real criminals who have murdered and such?.....

I wonder what would happen if in certain countries, including European countries, they started executing people for "wanting, and talking about soft revolutions"......

It is not as if there are some Europeans and Americans talking about a soft revolution, and many of them even call for violent revolution yet they are not being hanged....

First of all, I have been one of the members showing that many innocent people, including moderate Muslims are being executed by Sharia law in several Muslim countries, and i have never agreed to this....

Second of all, the United Statews also has some business with China, and other countries, yet that does not mean the United States agrees with the actions done by those countries...

Again, and like always there are some members trying to blame and bash at the United States for the crimes done by others, and these same members everytime derail threads to turn them into "U.S. hate bashing threads"....

[edit on 20-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Bush’s Lethal Legacy: More Executions

The US already kills more of its prisoners than almost any other country. Now the White House plans to cut the right of appeal of death row inmates…

The Bush administration is preparing to speed up the executions of criminals who are on death row across the United States, in effect, cutting out several layers of appeals in the federal courts so that prisoners can be “fast-tracked” to their deaths.

With less than 18 months to go to secure a presidential legacy, President Bush has turned to an issue he has specialised in since approving a record number of executions while Governor of Texas.

To date, 123 prisoners sentenced to die have been proved innocent and released. Anti-death penalty activists and lawyers have raised serious doubts about hundreds of others.

www.commondreams.org...

I fail to understand how you can claim to hold the morale high ground when the US still allows state execution

It's a very empty statement to defend the people's human rights in Iran when you ignore your own citizen rights. And highlighting figures of other countries execution numbers means nothing. If your country has the death penalty, then you are apart of the problem not different from it.

Pointing and screaming "Oh no, look what Iran is doing!" while ignoring the own situation in your country is naive and arrogant. The death penalty in all forms is wrong. It achieves nothing, does not cut crime and state execution is apart of the problem.

Infinite...sorry to say that "commondreams" is not exactly reliable in my book...

Again, what is the difference between hanging people because they talk against their governments, and hanging 16 year old girls for "having a sharp mouth" and seeking the death penalty for murderers?....

Shall we see one of those cases of the Iranian regime going after Iranians who talk about a "soft revolution"?....

Iran Accuses American of Revolution Plot

By NEIL MacFARQUHAR
Published: May 22, 2007

Ms. Esfandiari, 67, director of the Middle East program at the Wilson Center, went to Iran five months ago on one of her twice-annual visits to her ailing 93-year-old mother. She was prevented from leaving the country last December, then jailed in the notorious Evin prison on May 8.

While under virtual house arrest before being jailed, she had been interrogated repeatedly, and the Intelligence Ministry statement said she had confirmed that the Wilson Center “invited Iranians to attend conferences, offered them research projects, scholarships ... and tried to lure influential elements and link them to decision-making centers in America.”

The Wilson Center, which provided the quotations from the statement, called the charges both disturbing and far-fetched.

“Haleh has not engaged in any activities to undermine any government, including the Iranian government,” said Lee H. Hamilton, the Wilson Center’s director. “Nor does the Wilson Center engage in such activities. There is not one scintilla of evidence to support these outrageous claims.”

www.nytimes.com...


The arrogance and naivetivity comes from those members who every other day talk about "violent uprisings, and sometimes even soft uprisings against certain governments", then want to derail a thread against the United States because "the Iranian government is executing Iranians who seek, or in many cases just because the Iranian government accuses them of wanting a soft revolution".......


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Is the "death penalty" the issue of this thread?....

Or is the issue the fact that the iranian regime is executing people it accuses of formenting "soft revolutions" as well as 16 year old girls who have a sharp mouth?.....

Originally posted by Souljah
Iran is the country, where the great Antichrist lives and works from.

Surely you meant to say America... but in the event you're somehow confused, just ask any of the far left, anti-Bush smear campaign enthusiasts around here and they'll straighten you right out.

They seem to comprise about 99% of all posters in political threads so it shouldn't be too difficult to locate one who's willing to mentor you in the finer points of blind hatred and far left bias.

You might even land yourself a tuition-free seat in the next Blame-Bush 101 course which will teach you how best to twist, spin and manipulate every known political problem on planet Earth so that it reflects an impression of directly being entirely and wholely the fault of George W. Bush.

Good luck!

Yes Death Pentalty is the issue here.

Because you seem to ignore certain "OTHER" countries, then those who are written on your # list of countries, that do not want to jump, when you say how high. But the fact is - as mister infinite pointed out - that we are dealing with a great deal of hypocrisy here. Why?

Capital punishment in the United States

Since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976 there have been 1079 executions in the United States (as of June 6, 2007). There were 53 executions in 2006. Llists fewer than 15,000 people executed in the United States and its predecessors between 1608 and 1991. 4,661 executions occurred in the U.S. in the period from 1930 to 2002 with about two-thirds of the executions occurring in the first 20 years. Additionally the United States Army executed 160 soldiers between 1930 and 1961. The last United States Navy execution was in 1849.

.....and here i thought the issue of the thread was actually Iran Hangs 30 people Over 'U.S. Plots' ......

But i guess it is ok to derail this thread into "The U.S. has the death penalty, so it is ok for Iran to execute people because they are accused by the Iranian regime, without presenting any evidence to support this, of formenting "soft revolutions"......

Originally posted by seeingevil
They seem to comprise about 99% of all posters in political threads so it shouldn't be too difficult to locate one who's willing to mentor you in the finer points of blind hatred and far left bias.

And that exactly is your problem, dude. All you can see is left or right. But sadly for your programmed brain, I am on neither side of those two. I am on MY side, if that tells you anything. And if I decide to speak my mind over certain topic, with which I do not agree, I guess that makes me a liberal in your eyes. Which is kind of sad, because I really do not like these kind of labels. I am not a liberal. Neither am I a conservative. Or libertarian. I am a MAN with my own MIND. It is just interesting to observe, how quickly people fall for this bone, when it is thrown to them.

Yet all of that still does not change, a certain historical fact, that a certain U.S. president "killed" 155 people - A.K.A. The Texecutioner! I guess Iran has some long way to go, to fill in the gaps between 30 and 155 if they want to compete with the country numero uno - even in Death Sentance.