Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Well sorry,
people start labeling muslims as living in the dark ages, simply for executing people whom snuggle up to the US committing treasonist charges.

No, people start labeling certain muslims in Iran as living in the dark ages for MURDERING TEEN GIRLS AND RAPE VICTIMS.

Youve got to accept the fact, that the people executed were being supported by the US.

How, by being raped? The U.S. didn’t rape them. Israelis didn’t rape them. Bush didn’t rape them.

Iranians raped them.

This then brings the US into the conversation.

Why? We don’t execute rape victims who defend themselves.

it seems people are so quick to be labeling Iran 'evil' like bush did, which I fear is a result of him using his media contacts

A: If Bush had these great media contacts the world and his own nation would probably view him in a better light.

B: Iran is evil. They murder rape victims and fornicators. That is evil. Murder is bad. If Bush is evil and Bush hates Iran, that does not make Iran good.

for example, How many saudi’s were executed today, does that bother to make the news?
how many chinese were executed today.. does that bother to make the news?

No one started a thread about the Chinese or the Saudis. Someone did start a thread about the Iranians, and we are supposed to be commenting on it.

IF you cant accept the fact people DONT see eye to eye deal with it, instead of carrying on liek you are now.

Its not an eye to eye thing. It is black and white. Murder is wrong. If you think different you are wrong. Just like rape is wrong, and if you think different you are wrong. the PC crap has to end somewhere. It is universaly held by all human societies to one degree or another that murder is wrong.

Iran did an evil thing, and if dont think that then you are wrong and I am not afraid to say so.

IF you cant handle people talking about Iran, terrorists and bush in the same light, because they deserve to be, stop bloody replying or posting back to them.

ITS THAT SIMPLE!

If you cant handle people calling you out for what you do, then stop doing it.

ITS THAT SIMPLE!


[edit on 20-8-2007 by cavscout]

I must be missing something here..

but the people who RAPED were the ones executed.
and the people who are mingling with US assets involved in a revolution against the regime were hung.


where do you see women and childeren being hung?

This thread is about Iran being evil, because they are hanging people.
I retort because the only reason we see this in such blinding light is because the west right now is looking for any possible reason to vilify Iran as being evil.

thus, if we were in the news of reporting evil acts, simply for them being inhumane, we'd be reporting on the countless chinese or saudi's being executed.

or dont you understand?

Like I said, if you dont like the fact Im going to argue against this policy, then dont reply back, dont quote me.
Im sick of talking to a wall of bricks anyways.
so reply dont reply, quite honest your one person on here I just cannot stand.
and i know you feel the same about me! so we'll agree to disagree

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
The mods have already handed me a warning for another thread, so its not like people get special attention.

I know the feeling, you've probably noticed the little red badge of courage over here under my avatar...

.....

Anyway, the predominant problem that people like myself and Muaddib are having is that the anti-Bush agenda works it's way into just about everything here on ATS and we're sick of it.

Good threads, good topics and good potential discussions are being trivialized and derailed because of obsessive Bush haters lacking any semblence of rationality to discuss anything maturely; They simply want to bash Bush at any opportunity and trivialize anything that doesn't make him look evil.

Yesterday in a thread about an ammunition shortage in Milwaukee, a moderator had to chime in with the statement "Maybe we should ask the US military to stop shooting indiscriminately and randomly in Iraq and Afghanistan? It's exactly that kind of ignorant anti-Bush agenda I'm talking about.

It happens spontaneously in lots of topics but this particular thread we're in right now is the best example I can provide of how truly annoying it is. You can't view anything on level ground, you're so busy trying to shove everything to the far left as fast as you can that you don't even notice the cliff's edge when your credibility plummets straight off it.

urrm, your argue about discussing the topic, yet use another unrelated article posted by someone who claims

Shall I show you what sort of evil people Iran hangs?...

and you wonder why people are so agit8d at your attempts to show the US in good light?

heh, yeah good luck.

point is, Iran executed peoeple because hte US was using them to force regime change in Iran.
It has nothign to do with girls being executed.

once again, the big prominent aspect of this article you appear to ignore is the US bit.

times to precious to even bother any more
continue you bashing of all evil middle eastern nations.
your a lost cause!

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
quite honest your one person on here I just cannot stand.

Well that hurt my feelings.

and i know you feel the same about me!

No, I love you. I think you are great. And wish the best for, I really do. The way you always try so hard sound smart, its adorable! Why, you’re just cute as a button, with your little metal face. Grr!

so we'll agree to disagree

Sorry, in the name of denying ignorance I just cant do that. Somethings just aren’t an opinion you can just "agree to disagree" on. Some things are important, my cute, hateful little friend. Some things (at least for Iranian women) are life and death.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
and you wonder why people are so agit8d at your attempts to show the US in good light?

Oh, you mean how I constantly say we are wrong? That good light? You haven’t been paying attention, it’s that brick wall you can’t see around. You did say you had a brick wall in front of you, right?

point is, Iran executed peoeple because hte US was using them to force regime change in Iran.

That is probably exactly what happened! You are probably right about that!

And then they went out and killed some innocent woman for killing a man, because that is what they do in Iran, kill innocent women. Because they are evil.

It has nothign to do with girls being executed.

Now you sound like an American politician. "What little girls? I didn’t see any little girls! Oh, you mean those little girls. Forget them, they don’t matter."

continue you bashing of all evil middle eastern nations.

They aren’t all evil.
But Iran is.
Isn’t Israel in the Middle East? See, not all of them are evil, some of them are God's people.

Iraq is nice too. And I love Turkish coffee, although they don’t really count, but then I am American, so I count them all as Middle Eastern, so long as they worship the moon god Allah, have brown skin, and kill innocent women for being, well, women.


Youre so fun, Agit8dChop. So cute I just want to hug you to death.

[edit on 20-8-2007 by cavscout]

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
urrm, your argue about discussing the topic, yet use another unrelated article posted by someone who claims

Shall I show you what sort of evil people Iran hangs?...

Unrelated article?....Those articles are showing that in Iran people are executed for lesser offenses and the Iranian regime claims those people are criminals... That is not unrelated...

Unrelated topic is trying to turn this thread into another "U.S. bashing and blaming thread"....

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
and you wonder why people are so agit8d at your attempts to show the US in good light?

heh, yeah good luck.

The people who get agitated when some other member or I show they are exagerating, and at times making up stories about the U.S. are always trying to derail threads into "a bashing blaming thread against the U.S.", just like you have been doing to this thread...

Those people are not agitated because they are showing any truth and others don't believe them"....

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
point is, Iran executed peoeple because hte US was using them to force regime change in Iran.
It has nothign to do with girls being executed.
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The point is that the Iranian regime makes claims about those people they hang, yet doing a little bit of research the truth is found that those people are hanged for lesser offenses which include being too pro-democratic, "having a sharp tongue", etc...

I have never said anything about "all Middle Eastern people are evil"... in fact I have stated many times that many Middle Eastern people are being murdered by Islamic extremists...

That 16 year old Iranian girl was Middle Eastern... Just like all those moderate Muslims killed by Islamic extremists are also "Middle Eastern"...

Nazanin told the newspaper: "I committed murder to defend myself and my niece, I did not mean to kill him. I did not know what to do because nobody came to help us."

Yeah self defence is a dodgy topic though isn't it?

I bet there's a few cases of people being accused of murder when they were defending themselves over here or in the US, if we pull them out of the bag does that mean that you and I are living in the dark ages?

I'd bet there's a lot of murderers on death row that were actually defending themselves at the time, and now they're getting executed. So does that mean that the USA is living in the dark ages and we should blow them up?

Look up 'double standards' then look in your own backyard.

Has anyone found any evidence that any of the 30 people hanged were actually "helping the USA" ?
I imagine in the situation we are in at the moment,that the US/Brits have been undertaking secret missions in Iran-probably with the help of locals who dislike the Iranian regime.
A few bombs have been going off there recently-I remember one where a bus load of rev. guards(?)got bombed.
Its possible that covert actions are taking place,but can anyone connect these hanged people to the actions?
Surely,if the Iranians had evidence of US mischief they would have shown this on TV/News as it would have been a propaganda coup for them.
Does any such footage exist?

What the heck?....

Humm, what is the difference between "hanging a girl for having a sharp mouth", or hanging "students because they were calling for soft revolution", and the death penalty for real criminals who have murdered and such?.....

I wonder what would happen if in certain countries, including European countries, they started executing people for "wanting, and talking about soft revolutions"......

It is not as if there are some Europeans and Americans talking about a soft revolution, and many of them even call for violent revolution yet they are not being hanged....

First of all, I have been one of the members showing that many innocent people, including moderate Muslims are being executed by Sharia law in several Muslim countries, and i have never agreed to this....

Second of all, the United Statews also has some business with China, and other countries, yet that does not mean the United States agrees with the actions done by those countries...

Again, and like always there are some members trying to blame and bash at the United States for the crimes done by others, and these same members everytime derail threads to turn them into "U.S. hate bashing threads"....

[edit on 20-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Is the "death penalty" the issue of this thread?....

Or is the issue the fact that the iranian regime is executing people it accuses of formenting "soft revolutions" as well as 16 year old girls who have a sharp mouth?.....

Originally posted by Souljah
Iran is the country, where the great Antichrist lives and works from.

Surely you meant to say America... but in the event you're somehow confused, just ask any of the far left, anti-Bush smear campaign enthusiasts around here and they'll straighten you right out.

They seem to comprise about 99% of all posters in political threads so it shouldn't be too difficult to locate one who's willing to mentor you in the finer points of blind hatred and far left bias.

You might even land yourself a tuition-free seat in the next Blame-Bush 101 course which will teach you how best to twist, spin and manipulate every known political problem on planet Earth so that it reflects an impression of directly being entirely and wholely the fault of George W. Bush.

Good luck!

.....and here i thought the issue of the thread was actually Iran Hangs 30 people Over 'U.S. Plots' ......

But i guess it is ok to derail this thread into "The U.S. has the death penalty, so it is ok for Iran to execute people because they are accused by the Iranian regime, without presenting any evidence to support this, of formenting "soft revolutions"......