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Are Homosexuals Christian, Can They Be Forgiven?

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posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by bigbert81
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dbrandt, are you attracted to members of your same sex at all?

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No,
I was abused by one of my brothers when I was little though. I'm thankful to God that I accepted Christ at age 8 so that the lie of homosexuality did not have fertile soil to develope in.

So I am speaking from first hand knowledge and first hand knowledge that the following is true with emphasis on verse 4
1John.4
[1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
[2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.




posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by bigbert81
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Ok, my point is you can't just flip a switch on who you are attracted to. I am not gay, and do not have any attraction at all to men, but if the tables were turned, I could not just turn off being attracted to women and start being attracted to men. Could you? if you believed that we were supposed to be with members of the same sex?

It's not just a matter of choosing to ignore what the Holy Spirit says. Doesn't sound quite fair, does it?

[edit on 18-8-2007 by bigbert81]

[edit on 18-8-2007 by bigbert81]

I don't think I'm gay either. At least up to this point, I've been hetero. But I do find women attractive. Not to the point of screaming thigh sweats or anything. But I enjoy beauty in all forms.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:47 PM
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"lie of homosexuality" huh, please refer to my last post.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:48 PM
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[I] do find women attractive. Not to the point of screaming thigh sweats or anything. But I enjoy beauty in all forms.

*sigh*...screaming thigh sweats....



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by darkheartrising
[I] do find women attractive. Not to the point of screaming thigh sweats or anything. But I enjoy beauty in all forms.


*sigh*...screaming thigh sweats....

Welcome back darkheartrising, I was hoping you hadn't left the building. You crack me up!



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by janasstar
I can't pretend to know her heart anymore than I can anyone else's. Only God can do that. But I know from in-depth talks, that her heart seems to be in the right place. Personally, the fact that she feels close enough to the Lord to call him Louie, I don't know if that's a bad thing. I'll leave that between her and God. I think it's cute. The word says we will know them by their deeds. Her deeds (most of them, portray a Christian nature).




True, only God knows her heart and He cannot be deceived.

Cute is the word I was looking for in my other post(regarding the louie reference). It seems cute to us as people but also unknowingly she is deceiving herself. Sorry that's so blunt, but it's true.

I just realized that you are describing and ascribing her to the christian side of things.

Does she ascribe herself to being a part of christianity and Jesus christ?



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by janasstar





True, only God knows her heart and He cannot be deceived.

Cute is the word I was looking for in my other post(regarding the louie reference). It seems cute to us as people but also unknowingly she is deceiving herself. Sorry that's so blunt, but it's true.

I just realized that you are describing and ascribing her to the christian side of things.

Does she ascribe herself to being a part of christianity and Jesus christ?

Actually, she does. That's all that I can tell you. You would just have to know her for yourself. She is a very special person, and tireless in the work of the Lord.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:00 PM
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I think the whole "Louie" thing is completely relative. To you it demeans who you believe God really is, to me however, I believe that it helps her friend to form a special bond with God. To me that makes it special instead of cheapening.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by bigbert81
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"lie of homosexuality" huh, please refer to my last post.


OK, I went back and looked at it, found nothing to contradict what I said, only affirmation.

The lie of homosexuality is that it is OK and you are "born" that way. So as a person engaged in homosexuality. you can say' "I just can't help myself, i was born that way."

That totally removes responsibility and accountability to God. Which is what some people want. It makes them feel better. Trouble is it also leads to death.

And as far as the Holy Spirit, he only resides in a person after salvation(receiving Christ as savior). Before that He is trying to get your attention from the outside not the inside.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by bigbert81
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I think the whole "Louie" thing is completely relative. To you it demeans who you believe God really is, to me however, I believe that it helps her friend to form a special bond with God. To me that makes it special instead of cheapening.


That's what I was trying to say, when I said I thought it was cute. Jesus had a sense of humor and had a very human side. He couldn't plead our case if He didn't. I don't see Him being so pious and petty as to say, "Okay, Dad, she called me a name, send her to hell!"

[edit on 08/11/2007 by janasstar]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by janasstar

Originally posted by dbrandt
Does she ascribe herself to being a part of christianity and Jesus christ?


Actually, she does. That's all that I can tell you. You would just have to know her for yourself. She is a very special person, and tireless in the work of the Lord.


You owe it to her as her friend to find out if she has ever accepted Christ as Savior.

Also, gonna be blunt once again, God does tell us in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. You cannot beat her over the head that it is wrong, she has to realize that herself.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by janasstar

Originally posted by bigbert81
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I think the whole "Louie" thing is completely relative. To you it demeans who you believe God really is, to me however, I believe that it helps her friend to form a special bond with God. To me that makes it special instead of cheapening.


That's what I was trying to say, when I said I thought it was cute. Jesus had a sense of humor and had a very human side. He couldn't plead our case if He didn't. I don't see Him being so pious and petty as to say, "Okay, Dad, she called me a name, send her to hell!"

[edit on 08/11/2007 by janasstar]


The thing is her "Louie" may not be Jesus Christ. That's the danger in it.

1John.4
[1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
[2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.


Once again I have to go back to these verses. It specifically tells us to confess Jesus Christ.

Deception is a horrible thing, I know I've been there. It's horrible because you think you are right when you are actually wrong.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by janasstar

Originally posted by dbrandt
Does she ascribe herself to being a part of christianity and Jesus christ?


Actually, she does. That's all that I can tell you. You would just have to know her for yourself. She is a very special person, and tireless in the work of the Lord.


You owe it to her as her friend to find out if she has ever accepted Christ as Savior.

Also, gonna be blunt once again, God does tell us in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. You cannot beat her over the head that it is wrong, she has to realize that herself.


I thought I already covered that. I asked her if she had accepted Jesus. She said yes. I don't know of any DNA tests that I can give her. And yes we've discussed the immorality of it. She already knows this. It wasn't something I needed to tell her. It's something private between her and the Lord to work out in their own way. And she struggles with it. But she doesn't stop loving God, because she has a moral defect, any more than any of the rest of us do.

[edit on 08/11/2007 by janasstar]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:30 PM
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I'd like to reiterate that I don't feel overwhelmingly comfortable pointing out someone else's sins when I myself am not perfect. I'm just as capable of sin while I'm onthis earth as anybody else. The only reason, I discussed it with my friend at all, was because her heart was heavy, and she knew I was a fellow loving-Christian that she could talk to. Otherwise, I would mind my own business and let her work this out with the Lord, just as she's been doing.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by janasstar
The only reason, I discussed it with my friend at all, was because her heart was heavy, and she knew I was a fellow loving-Christian that she could talk to. Otherwise, I would mind my own business and let her work this out with the Lord, just as she's been doing.


I would have to say that if her heart is heavy then somewhere in there she is wrestling with God over this. Which is a good thing.

Have you ever seen the christian mini-movie 'Future Tense'?

It's about a kid who goes away to college and begins to read the Bible and accepts Christ. He then realizes that his family is not saved. If he believes what the Bible says then he needs to tell them about their need for Christ, before it's too late. Trouble is whenever he goes home and tries to tell them, it usually ends up in an argument. So he decides to make a tape and tell them on the tape. During the tape he says the following, "I can't choose for you and I can't make you choose."

That is an extremely important aspect of christianity. That God allows us the freedom of choice. He will not force us to believe in Christ and follow His way. Each must decide individually. But we are here to speak the truth, which requires sacrificing what others think of us. Will we speak the truth or let the opportunity slip away because we're scared(once again I'm faced with that all the time, I succeed and fail at this, but I am always convicted either way).

I just hope people realize that the precious freedom God has given in free will carries over to eterntiy also. People don't want God pushed on them now, but yet they cry "foul" if their free will choice of rejecting Him now means eternity seperated from Him.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 08:24 PM
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I agree that she etruggles with this particular thing. But let's don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Her life's not over yet. Neither is ours. We never know what the morrow brings.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 08:29 PM
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One more thing, while we're being biblical. Didn't Jesus say, "he without sin, cast the first stone." ? I don't have any rocks to throw at my friend. She may toss a boulder at me!


[edit on 08/11/2007 by janasstar]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by janasstar
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I agree that she etruggles with this particular thing. But let's don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
We never know what the morrow brings.


It is a good thing she is struggling with this because this shows that God is at work in her life.

Exactly take the baby out of the dirty bathwater.

Being blunt again, cause it's time for bed, don't squelch her struggling with this because we really don't know what tomorrow may bring, that goes both ways of thinking.



[edit on 18-8-2007 by dbrandt]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by janasstar
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One more thing, while we're being biblical. Didn't Jesus say, "he without sin, cast the first stone." ?


He did. But then HE(emphasis on He, He being God) then said to the woman we're talking about, Go and sin no more.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by janasstar
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I agree that she etruggles with this particular thing. But let's don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
We never know what the morrow brings.


It is a good thing she is struggling with this because this shows that God is at work in her life.

Exactly take the baby out of the dirty bathwater.

Being blunt again, cause it's time for bed, don't squelch her struggling with this because we really don't know what tomorrow may bring, that goes both ways of thinking.



[edit on 18-8-2007 by dbrandt]

Well, she is acquainted with the Word, so I don't see what hitting her over the head with it would solve. She's a big girl. I have faith that this thing will work it's self out. without my interference.




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