Population reduction: Why not?

Cutting off aid and letting people die is not genocide.

you never stated 'kill 'em all' in so many words, but you stated it enough that everyone saw the meaning behind them. You spoke of culling the humans like the culling of animals. We all saw it!

people should stop assuming. If I meant kill people, I would have said it. I think large portions of people should be killed, but it has nothing to do with overpopulation, thats a whole nother topic.

I have shown your comments clearly implying and suggesting that several times.

your opinion on what you think I "implied" is subjective. I say what I mean .

Same question to you.

I have never mentioned war. you did.

But you've really just destroyed your entire argument with one statement that shows the level of debate you're stooping to as your argument shatters and falls:

My argument isnt faltering, I have facts, stats, and truth on my side. My reference to you being worse than those on other forums was an observation of the way you like to twist words, make ignorant assumptions, and avoid the general point of this thread: The planet is in danger of being overpopulated, and something must be done soon in order to prevent it.

Please find where I said it was MY little village. And you are right: it no doubt does produce more pollution, more waste, more idiots who dream of genocide...

Your was in reference to the little village you cited in your comment. You conveniently left out my small hometown also produces more revenue, more jobs, more people who realize a problem exists and are willing to confront an ugly truth, etc etc etc.

Would you like me to post a definition of a cull?

No, I would like you to post that entire comment, you know the one referring to why deer must be hunted. Twist words much?

What facts were I denying? Please find specifically the part where yours truly denied facts.

Oops, another silly-arsed misrepresentation effort blown out of the sky...

Instead of confronting the topic of this thread (overpopulation) you chose to come in with ad hominems instead.

So, back to what you were saying...

yes, back to what I was saying: Why havent you put forth any solutions for the overpopulation problem?

Of course you have, sport, of course you have.

I'll take that as a no you havent served, instead you chose cowardice. Gotcha.

In danger of being overpopulated? I don't think anyone understands. If the population gets too high, more people will die. It's an equilibrium.

double post

[edit on 18-8-2007 by Johnmike]

Originally posted by Johnmike
In danger of being overpopulated? I don't think anyone understands. If the population gets too high, more people will die. It's an equilibrium.

the rate of births exceeds that of deaths, thereby creating a surplus of people.

If what you said were true, the population would never increase. Unfortunately that is not the way things are.

Your argument is repetative, tired and ignorant in that you ignore others. I haven't twisted your words, I've simply used them to demonstrate the times you've suggested genocide.

You don't have an argument, basically, your argument is 'We're going to be overpopulated, so the population should be culled similiar to the culling of animals... but I don't mean to say that anyone should be killed.' Sorry, that's what culling is and you tell me to look defintions up!

Note how you're starting to get real grumpy. Not joining the military isn't cowardice, seems like wisdom to me.

Anyway, I'm really tiring of this, it's mindless. So I'll just cut this reply short and leave it there and say. Yes, lets cull third world countries...Whatever you want...whatever you want.



[edit on 18-8-2007 by shorty]

Originally posted by shorty
Your argument is repetative, tired and ignorant in that you ignore others. I haven't twisted your words, I've simply used them to demonstrate the times you've suggested genocide.

You don't have an argument, basically, your argument is 'We're going to be overpopulated, so the population should be culled similiar to the culling of animals... but I don't mean to say that anyone should be killed.' Sorry, that's what culling is and you tell me to look defintions up!

Anyway, I'm really tiring of this, it's mindless. So I'll just cut this reply short and leave it there and say. Yes, lets cull third world countries...Whatever you want...whatever you want.

I too will keep this short:

It's laughable that you focus on my use of the phrase culling the herd. That was in the context of explaining why DEER must be hunted. I never attributed that phrase to humans, nor would I.

Reading comprehension is difficult for some obviously.

Originally posted by slackerwire
Reading comprehension is difficult for some obviously.

I'd worry more about general comprehension of reality on one's own part before considering the reading comprehension of others.

Originally posted by shorty


I'd worry more about general comprehension of reality on one's own part before considering the reading comprehension of others.

I am well grounded in reality, those who deny we have and will continue to have an overpopulation problem are those living in fantasy land.

When comments are made in regards to this problem and are misconstrued and twisted, it only provides more evidence of said people living in a dream world.

You only need to read this thread to see where reality is, and where the dream world is.

Incidently, as you may have noticed, no one has denied an overpopulation problem.

Originally posted by shorty
You only need to read this thread to see where reality is, and where the dream world is.

Incidently, as you may have noticed, no one has denied an overpopulation problem.

No one has put forth any solutions on how to deal with the problem other than a 1 child policy, which is a good idea, but it is only a part of a solution, not the entire thing.

Originally posted by slackerwire
Your was in reference to the little village you cited in your comment. You conveniently left out my small hometown also produces more revenue, more jobs, more people who realize a problem exists and are willing to confront an ugly truth, etc etc etc.

More revenue and more jobs does not take away from the fact that your town full of genocide lovers has a bigger impact on the planet. The town in Mongolia is healthier for the planet.

Oh, but this isn't about the human impact on the planet is it? And there I was thinking for a nanosecond that you gave a damn about Earth... you're an Elitist though aren't you, meaning it boils down purely to race, money, politics, maybe also religion.

No, I would like you to post that entire comment, you know the one referring to why deer must be hunted.

Posting your entire comment is not necessary, as it would still tell the more discerning readers that you want global genocide. Don't throw a tantrum because I merely streamlined your elitist death fantasy into a smaller quote.

Twist words much?

I don't twist. I countertwist.

What facts were I denying? Please find specifically the part where yours truly denied facts.

Oops, another silly-arsed misrepresentation effort blown out of the sky...

Instead of confronting the topic of this thread (overpopulation) you chose to come in with ad hominems instead.

You said I was "Denying the facts". I asked you to please quote me denying the facts. And look! You have failed to do so.

Would you like me to define what the term deny means?

yes, back to what I was saying: Why havent you put forth any solutions for the overpopulation problem?

Ah look, another bit of quote-manipulation... care to actually include what the comment you just quoted was in relation to?

No? You can't play misrepresentation games with us. We see people using your moron tactics on a regular basis. It's not big, it's not clever, so give it a rest.

I'll take that as a no you havent served, instead you chose cowardice. Gotcha.

LOL... juvenile, pseudowarrior macho BS. Seems my comment riled you somewhat.

You take it incorrectly, in so far as cowardice. Try medical issues. What was it you said to Shorty about making assumptions?

Wearing a uniform doesn't automatically make you a hero. So what were you? A cook? Typing pool at some Army base in Texas? I note once again, that you resort to the catty comments. Feeling a bit... under pressure? Realised that most people think your thirst for global bloodshed is just plain sick?

Can I ask you, are you one of these American republicans who hates just about anyone who isn't American by birth? Maybe a bit racist? Hmmmm? Don't like black people?

So you DO support the killing of billions. Because when it comes to population there are two ways to stop it, limit reproduction, or eliminate it. I fail to see other options.

Originally posted by Terran Blue


More revenue and more jobs does not take away from the fact that your town full of genocide lovers has a bigger impact on the planet. The town in Mongolia is healthier for the planet.

Oh, but this isn't about the human impact on the planet is it? And there I was thinking for a nanosecond that you gave a damn about Earth... you're an Elitist though aren't you, meaning it boils down purely to race, money, politics, maybe also religion.

This thread was about the effect on humans, the impact of humans on the environment is a different topic. Race, politics, or religion mean nothing to me.

Posting your entire comment is not necessary, as it would still tell the more discerning readers that you want global genocide. Don't throw a tantrum because I merely streamlined your elitist death fantasy into a smaller quote.

My entire comment would prove you wrong, hence you didnt post it.

LOL... juvenile, pseudowarrior macho BS. Seems my comment riled you somewhat.

You inquired to see if I was an armchair warrior, I stated my qualifications of which you didnt believe them. If you are going to ask a question, and not believe the answer, why bother asking at all? That makes you the immature dimwit.

Try medical issues.

Head up ass syndrome?

Wearing a uniform doesn't automatically make you a hero.

No #. Those who are truly heroic are seldom living after their actions.

So what were you?

Why bother answering this one, you wont believe it. Again, your ridiculous attempts at insults are hilarious.

Realised that most people think your thirst for global bloodshed is just plain sick?

What other people think means nothing to me.

Can I ask you, are you one of these American republicans who hates just about anyone who isn't American by birth? Maybe a bit racist? Hmmmm? Don't like black people?

Ahahahahaha it never fails, the race card is the last resort of a fool. Republicans wouldnt like my support of abortion and gay marriage. As I stated before, much like you and people like you, race & origin mean nothing to me.

Can I ask, are you one of those socialist retards who preach "tolerance" and "peace"? Maybe do you support groups such as ANSWER, or other well know communist supporting organizations?

Originally posted by shorty
So you DO support the killing of billions. Because when it comes to population there are two ways to stop it, limit reproduction, or eliminate it. I fail to see other options.

No I dont support the outright killing of people. I think aid needs to be stopped and let nature take its course. If they cannot survive without us, that isnt our problem

Population reduction: Why not?
it only works if everyone does it.
in America the average family has 2 or 3 kids
the current influx of immigrants are having
4,5 and more.the comedian Carlos Mencia
keeps saying we are a very fertile people
so is everyone else, we choose to use condoms.

Originally posted by slackerwire
This thread was about the effect on humans, the impact of humans on the environment is a different topic. Race, politics, or religion mean nothing to me.

Well, clearly it does, as you have been calling forth political issues in your arguments.

My entire comment would prove you wrong, hence you didnt post it.

Er, not really...

LOL... juvenile, pseudowarrior macho BS. Seems my comment riled you somewhat.

You inquired to see if I was an armchair warrior, I stated my qualifications of which you didnt believe them. If you are going to ask a question, and not believe the answer, why bother asking at all? That makes you the immature dimwit.

Uh oh, here come the nasties...

And FYI, I said Keyboard Warrior.

Head up ass syndrome?

LOL... and so it is, that you have resorted to the nasties.

No #. Those who are truly heroic are seldom living after their actions.

OMG, you SWORE...

The point being, that your attempts to impress, shame or intimidate me with your "I have served my country, have you" BS are wasted, because you are dealing with people smarter than the plebs you are used to dealing with.

Maybe thats why you are getting so irritable... being blown out of the sky on so many occasions in one night would annoy me too.

So what were you?

Why bother answering this one, you wont believe it. Again, your ridiculous attempts at insults are hilarious.

Obviously not, as they seem to be making you mad. What can I say? Diddums

What other people think means nothing to me.

I think the term "Well DUH" applies here.

Ahahahahaha it never fails, the race card is the last resort of a fool.

Who said I was playing the race card? I was merely trying to acertain as to whether or not your BS is racial in nature. And btw, pointing out if someone is a racist or not is not being foolish, if said person is racially motivated. Neither is asking if someone is racist.

stated before, much like you and people like you, race & origin mean nothing to me.

Er, clearly origin DOES mean something to you, as you are advocating wiping out much of the population of Africa, simply for being poor.

Can I ask, are you one of those socialist retards who preach "tolerance" and "peace"?

In direct response to the above question the answer is no, I am not a socialist in the true meaning of the term, but I guess I am what you would refer to as a Liberal in some areas. No I am not a retard... oh, and btw, do you advocate wiping out the physically/mentally/sensory disabled too? Ala Hitler? And finally, I encourage tolerance and understanding, not mass murder, like you.

Maybe do you support groups such as ANSWER, or other well know communist supporting organizations?

Never heard of ANSWER, and I don't do Communism.

See, this is how you directly answer questions aimed at you.

Cutting off aid and letting people die is not genocide.

We're not talking about cutting off aid, we're talking about Population reduction by cutting off aid.

the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Yes, that is genocide, and what your promoting is killing 6 billion people because you find 6 billion people unmanagable. Well, it is managable, and we're getting there. Look at any 3rd world countries health and education... they are slowly getting better.

400 million people in America means crap all. China has four times the population density as America yet there healthcare, and education is getting better.

My argument isnt faltering, I have facts, stats, and truth on my side.

Any proposals on how to kill 6 billion people?

I do beleive we have an overpopulation problem, but if we keep the population how it is, I think that's perfectly managable.

[edit on 18-8-2007 by C0bzz]

Originally posted by slackerwire
the rate of births exceeds that of deaths, thereby creating a surplus of people.

And then there isn't enough food to feel all these people, and they die. Not rocket science.

Originally posted by slackerwire
If what you said were true, the population would never increase. Unfortunately that is not the way things are.

Sure it would. Humanity isn't at the carrying capacity at this point.

There are other solutions to the population issue that dont involve murdering people.

The simplest solution, get rid of money.

1. It eliminates poverty. the poorest segment of societies have no access to birth control because of money. In addition, poor tend to have more children as a means to help bring in the crops or in some horrid cases to sell their kids.

2. no money means the elite arent hoarding wealth. There is more than enough resources to satisfy everyone but the elite take more than they will ever use. Its because of money that we have a system in place where one person sleeps on a sidewalk and another owns 7 homes all over 5000 square feet.

I could list a thousand more benefits of living in a world without money.

Its the elite that are forcing a consumption-based economy upon us. Its the elite that make basic birth control unaffordable to the masses. Its the elite who clear forests and drain swamps to make way for more Walmart stores.

And its the elite that suppress free energy technology that would ultimately make poverty go the way of the dinosaur.

Look at the wealthiest nations. Their populations are at zero growth. Europe's population is actually in decline and the United States would have zer growth if not for immigration.

If we want zero population growth and smart use of our ecosytem, we need to get rid of money.