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a theory about John Lear

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posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by nightsider2007

now, since this John Lear is pretty much the only "famous" person here


My dear Sir,
Speak for yourself.

As far as Mr. Lear is concerned,
I'm of the opinion that he has been
fed dis-info, and believes what he
says.

And, if this site pays him to attempt
to spoon-feed it to the masses ? So ?

If a person that seriously looks into
the UFO phenom can't tell that Mr. Lear
is reciting what he's been told, IMO,
they are a poor researcher.

Regards,
Lex




posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 06:45 PM
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dear sir or madam

I think the premise of this thread was excellent. The answers that were given prove one thing

Mr Lear is paid as long as he can keep the masses entertained.Which means claiming wild things that cannot be checked. Some of the gullible will be intrigued. And the more members, the more profit, right?

In my honest opinion, giving Mr Lear any credit has made ats a bit of a joke
'searching for truth' but we'll pay a - lets face it - fairly boring sf-paperbacks writer- for any vague claim that the moon is made of.. ahh who cares by now

Lex, IMO he has not even been fed disinfo, Mr leary is just several steps below Morgan, Gibson, Hamilton, Swanwick, Vance etc.

Had they posted and talked about their worlds it would have been interesting.

I however feel its time Leary went the way of titor.

down some other timeline or headfirst into oblivion


I truly don't care which one

[edit on 18-8-2007 by Mirrorshade]


[edit: removed unnecessary quote of entire previous post]
Quoting - Please review this link

[edit on 18-8-2007 by 12m8keall2c]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:38 PM
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Well I guess no one knows if Mr. Lear is being paid to say what he says so it's up to you to decide what to believe.

Lots of people get paid to say/spin things; the media, for example. It's just up to you to work out what you think is true or not, and whether you believe it or not. Either way at least you've considered it rather than just be so passive like most of the general public are.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:43 PM
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If you think that ATS is such a "JOKE" then may I ask why you are here posting at all?

Is it not a waste of your time to post on this site, being as it is such a joke?

Here is the problem....

YOU are one person and YOU are expressing an opinion. That is fine and what this site is for as long as you are within the T&C....

MANY other people listen to Mr. Lear and MANY others believe much if not all of what he says...

I personally find him articulate and educated and enjoy reading his material...

The MANY that desire to keep reading his comments and works should continue to do so.

YOU may choose to NOT CLICK on any links that contain material that you obviously find offensive...

Such as ATS as you apparently find it a joke...

There are MANY of us that do not consider this site a joke at all and consider your comment itself a joke...

Semper



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 07:46 PM
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I agree with mirrorshade, its all intertainment, so I guess enjoy.

Personally John isnt crazy he's just having fun. Do you really think he believes everything he is saying? Lol, if he did he really is crazy.

Na, I think its entertainment and entertainment makes money.

Hellooo, wake up!

Edit: on the other hand I must admit I may be the crazy one...

[edit on 18-8-2007 by earth2]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by darkheartrising
sounds to me like he is attacking another member. how about we start a thread attacking "thehumbleone"?


If you only practiced what you preached, darkheart.

In any case, it's acknowledged that Conspiracy Masters derive revenue on their forums. That's public knowledge here. But Lear does far more than lurk on his own forum trying to suck in page views. He's everywhere, and if I read the specs right, he doesn't get paid to defend Billy Meier's wedding cake. So I'd cut him, and ATS some slack on this one.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 09:36 PM
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I totaly disagree. Everything John Lear talks about CAN be proven. You just have to know what everything in this entire world is made of. Once you do know, then you might figure out the secret to the universe, and find out everything John has said is the real deal. B.T.W. Bob Lazar is the real deal too, because when you figure out the secret to the universe, you also figure out how the elements in our universe work, including Element 115.


[edit on 18-8-2007 by 11 11]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by nightsider2007

so how can i take seriously anything he says, since i know he gets paid for saying it, and he has to write and post SOMETHING, anything, in order to get paid. i hope my logic makes sense.


Scientists get paid to do their job as well. So do teachers, theoreticians, linguists, analysts, detectives, and so on. Maybe they shouldn't get paid either. Perhaps they might be shovelling falsehoods for cash.

I'm really tired of this accusation. So people make money. They make money to provide people with various services and information. This is not earth shattering news. It's also not unusual.




posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by darkheartrising
oh man i so hope they drop the hammer down on you and this thread



yes you have free speech..as long as you follow the rules.


This is a massive contradiction. Freedom of speech is just that: Absolute freedom to say whatever you like, regardless of who it may offend. As soon as you introduce rules it is no longer free.

Why would you want to see "the hammer" brought down on this thread? Because you don't like Nightsider's opinion? Hard luck sweetheart because he didn't do anything wrong.

[edit on 19-8-2007 by weavingspider]



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by undo

Scientists get paid to do their job as well. So do teachers, theoreticians, linguists, analysts, detectives, and so on. .......... They make money to provide people with various services and information. This is not earth shattering news. It's also not unusual.



yes, true, and i would add to the list actors, writers, singers, entertainers....

because, in my opinion, those professions are more appropriate for this discussion.

look, i have no problem if someone wants to talk about all these, well, incredible things Lear talks about, but i have a problem if a site that considers itself serious supports him...

and to me, the only logical explanation is that he attracts more traffic to this site, and so he is free to say whatever he wants.

and do you see the double standard here? i know that the mods are intolerant towards people who claim things without sources or links... true, Lear provided a few photos, but mostly its just stories...

and im sorry, but to me thats all he is, a storyteller, which is ok, but then people shouldn't get the wrong idea.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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i have a problem if a site that considers itself serious supports him


Why is that? do you think you're the sole inheritor of truth or what?
this is the kind of attitude that squashes all attempts to expand human
knowledge and understanding of our universe. it's a stagnant position.
it doesn't ask questions. it doesn't hypothesize, theorize or speculate, and
most specifically, it doesn't allow anyone else to either, all under the guise
that only one truth on each subject is possible, and therefore, anything else
is heresy.

why not strike up a new banner. perhaps try to join in the search for
further answers, whether they be accepted or not, this is true science.


[edit on 19-8-2007 by undo]



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
If you think that ATS is such a "JOKE" then may I ask why you are here posting at all?


I stand corrected, I didn't mean ATS is a joke in its entirety, just certain threads.
Why do I still come here? All serious threads aside, because I enjoy a good joke every now and then.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Mirrorshade

I stand corrected, I didn't mean ATS is a joke in its entirety, just certain threads.
Why do I still come here? All serious threads aside, because I enjoy a good joke every now and then.


Do you suffer often with this superiority complex?
Must be difficult being you. Frankly, there are some things
that are not meant as jokes, and some that are. Knowing
what is and isn't meant to be a joke by the original poster,
and treating each with the appropriate
response, is a social skill.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 11:10 AM
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Undo, thanks for being so understanding, for indeed I suffer daily.

Tell me, is sarcasm considered to be a social skill?



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Mirrorshade
Undo, thanks for being so understanding, for indeed I suffer daily.

Tell me, is sarcasm considered to be a social skill?


Are you suggesting I was being sarcastic?
Hardly.

What's the point of mentioning you find other people's serious theories and expereinces, comical at best?

You got the hots for yourself.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
So yes... there are opportunities for talented people to receive income from their participation on ATS. Would you expect any less of us?

With all due respect to you, I don't think that was the op's point.

I don't think anyone here is against making money, its the American way. However, I think the op was speaking more to the "Lear gets away w/ posting unsubstantiated info while other get banned for the same" topic.

I'm not stupid, I've helped run sites larger than this one. Sometimes it simply boils down to site prosperity, am I right? Having guys like Lear around helps generate site traffic. The more traffic, the better for the site, ad revenue wise, in the long run. And not just for any one particular forum on the site. People get drawn in by the Lear stuff, read it, create accounts, and then peruse the rest of the site, usually on a regular basis, like the rest of us.

Anyone can go look at ATS's page views for the last 3 years on alexa.com. So if I'm right and Lear gets away w/ a little more than others because the owners feel he is good for the site, than yes, I'd just as soon hear it honestly.


[edit on 19-8-2007 by Reality Hurts]



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 12:40 PM
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Edit: Undo, nevermind, think what you will

on topic, I agree with reality hurts

[edit on 19-8-2007 by Mirrorshade]



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Reality Hurts

........So if I'm right and Lear gets away w/ a little more than others because the owners feel he is good for the site, than yes, I'd just as soon hear it honestly.

[edit on 19-8-2007 by Reality Hurts]


yes, that was my point too. and i think that is the case, but hey, nobody is honest anymore anyway, so that doesnt surprise me at all.

and isnt it interesting that John Lear didnt post anything here, since i noticed that he answers posts with his name in them in smaller threads. but never mind...

also, i received a few warnings to be careful what i say here, not from the mods, but from other people... which is also kind of unusual.

so if i get banned or something, which i hope wont happen, i at least hope to get a good reason for it.

otherwise its fascism.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by nightsider2007



and isnt it interesting that John Lear didnt post anything here, since i noticed that he answers posts with his name in them in smaller threads. but never mind...



OK, OK. Here is the deal. I get a commission or whatever on when anybody clicks on something. I don't know exactly how it works.

In order to get my money I had to go to GoogleAdsense and fill out an incredibly complicated list of questions including the numbers for my bank account so they can deposit the money.

Its been about 4 or 5 months and I have accumulated about $60 but it hadn't been deposited so I tried to contact GoogleAdsense. They have an automatic email answering service that refers you to a list of the mistakes you might have made.

It took over 2 weeks to get a human being to actually address my problem which had to do with my real full name which is John Olsen Lear and my bank account name which is John Lear. If your real name doesn't match your bank account name there is no apparent way to resolve it.

After 2 more weeks of BS from the GoogleAdsense rep I suggested that they just send a check to my home address. They said OK but I would have to fill out everything again for the new procedure. Which I haven't done because $60 isn't worth the incredible aggravation of dealing with Google Adsense or with filling out all that crap again.

So not only do I not have the $60 I have generated as a Conspiracy Master for ATS but I have to read about how I am generating stories just to get the $60.

Maybe I'll just shoot myself. How about that for a conspiracy?

(I will probably wait until after I judge the AboveTopSecret.com beauty contest at the Bay Area UFO Expo in San Jose next weekend.)



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 01:18 PM
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John Lear,

Oh, that was an interesting lead-in to the Bay Area conference. lol

See folks, that's humor. You know it's humor. As opposed to
his theories on lunar mining projects, which are backed by an
a pretty hefty amount of information and which he does submit
for serious consideration.



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