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Conspiracy! (finally found one...)

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posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:02 AM
Ok, I think I've finally found a conspiracy. I've been pro-choice all my life, but now I'm thinking I may be dead wrong. I've been doing a little research into Roe v Wade and Doe v. Bolton, and I've discovered some disturbing facts.

Norma McCorvey, the "Roe" of Roe v. Wade admitted she lied about being gang raped -- a lie on which the Supreme Court based their decision, and the lie that led many people to accept the legality of abortion. Norma McCorvey is now 100 percent pro-life.

Doe v. Bolton, the companion decision to Roe v. Wade, is also based on a lie. Sandra Cano, the "Doe" of Doe v. Bolton, never wanted an abortion as the case claimed. She was pregnant with her fourth child and desperately trying to get her other three children out of foster care when pro-abortion attomeys offered to help her on the condition that she would allow them to use her case to try to overtum Georgia's abortion law.

Bemard Nathanson, the founder of the the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), also admitted he lied about the number of women who died from illegal abortions in order to repeal this country's pro-life laws: "We spoke of 5,000-10,000 deaths a year ... I confess that I knew the figures were totally false ... it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?" Bemard Nathanson, who once operated the nation's largest abortion clinic in New York, is now 100% pro-life. In 1972, there were only 39 deaths attributed to abortion.

How many deaths art attributed to legal abortion today? No one knows. In 1986, they stopped counting the deaths because it "got confusing." So how many women go in for this legal, harmless procedure and never leave? Someone doesn't want us to know.

Now, the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League and Planned Parenthood (as well as other pro-partial-birth abortion groups) are struggling with how to continue to propagate the lie that partial-birth abortions are "rare" and done primarily on babies with "extreme fetal abnormalities," despite the fact that abortion clinic spokesman Ron Fitzsimmons admitted that he "lied through his teeth" when he said it.

The admission of Fitzsimmons of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers -- that partial-birth abortions are perfommed up to 5000 times a year primarily on healthy babies and healthy mothers -- coincides with what we have said all along.

Sounds like conspiracy to me, what about y'all?

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:06 AM
I've known this for along time, and I'm dead set against abortion for my life (Unless medical reasons, complacations ect). It is a conpiracy, its a Ultra Lib one. Thats why the President has the partial birth abortions ended. Imagine, all those Americans, we could have ended disease, famine, ect.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:11 AM
ugh this isnt a conspiracy. well, it is on a definable level, but it's missing the agenda part. you know: "a general idea or agenda with a specified purpose to achieve a planned goal"

abortion is a difficult subject yes, but in a world filled with poverty and strife, you have to realize that it is the only option available at certain unfortunate situations. in many parts of the world, STD's such as AIDS are generally dismissed and as a result make quick work of a dense population. furthermore, instead of going the contraceptive route, condoms and the like face disinformation campaigns which are propogated by religions which are the same propogators of anti-abortion.

Now, that's bad for several reasons. These disinformation campaigns are targeted towards the poor and the weak, and affect millions of people internationally. The worst part is that these adverts are spread by the same people who claim to be saving lives through religion. For those in those third world countries who dont have AIDS or the like, they condemn themselves to even more poverty when they have more kids than they can afford.

This isn't the parent's fault; it's the societies' fault for accepting rigid economic policies and foreign banking, and because we have both, this sets us apart from the natural order of things. In a perfect world, there would be no abortion because there would be no NEED for it. The necessity for it is fabricated, yes, but affects billions of people across the world.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:13 AM
ugh, I heard what they do for partial birth abortions, and it's sick!

They turn the baby around in the womb and pull it out all the way to it's shoulders (so the mother can't hear it cry and change her mind). Then they take a scissors and jam it into the base of the skull and suck out all of the brain matter.

But not to worry, it's not a baby, it's just a clump of tissue. You know, a clump of tissue with a heartbeat after 21 days.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:15 AM
AlnilamOmega, I disagree with you on the agenda aspect. The agenda is money. Planned parenthood makes about $700,000,000 a year in abortions, and I'm sure the total of the doctors who perform them are making even more. Nothin' like killin' babies for money.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:19 AM
Read these links, and you'll be shocked even about the recent partial birth abortion laws Bushed signed in.

You will read that the wording of the bans are the key, like with most things passed into laws.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:23 AM
Hmm...I'm confused. If the woman has to pretty much give birth to the child to have a partial birth abortion, then what could happen between the shoulders and the head (which will have to come out anyway) that would be fatal?

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:23 AM
you're right... AND i forgot about the NWO agenda for population control, which would also feature abortion as a contributor to that idea.

this is a bonafide conspiracy, and I apologize for my inaccuracy earlier.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 12:05 PM

Originally posted by AlnilamOmega
you're right... AND i forgot about the NWO agenda for population control, which would also feature abortion as a contributor to that idea.

this is a bonafide conspiracy, and I apologize for my inaccuracy earlier.

Not sure about the NWO agenda, but it's definatelly a bid for money. I suppose it goes even further then this, with medical costs being so incredibly high, but I'm just focusing on the abortion issue because I just learned about it a couple days ago.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 01:47 PM
This is definitely a conspiracy and thanks for telling us JungleJake!

See the left always have to cheat to win!

I just know it.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 01:51 PM
Yes the left has to cheat, thats how they got Canada and Europe. By placing Leftwing Judges in Court and then slowly turn the country into a socialistic one so there will end up a communist prez or something.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 01:58 PM
Uh...Are you being serious or sarcastic, taxman? It's so hard to tell without little
icons with text...

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 01:59 PM
Im serious. Those leftys scew up morality.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 02:07 PM

Originally posted by junglejake
ugh, I heard what they do for partial birth abortions, and it's sick!

They turn the baby around in the womb and pull it out all the way to it's shoulders (so the mother can't hear it cry and change her mind). Then they take a scissors and jam it into the base of the skull and suck out all of the brain matter.

But not to worry, it's not a baby, it's just a clump of tissue. You know, a clump of tissue with a heartbeat after 21 days.

that truly is sick, i thought that they injected potassium or whatever it is into the babies/feutues (spelling) heart?

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 03:10 PM
This is from health a to z:


Intact D&X, or partial birth abortion first involves administration of medications to cause the cervix to dilate, usually over the course of several days. Next, the physician rotates the fetus to a footling breech position. The body of the fetus is then drawn out of the uterus feet first, until only the head remains inside the uterus. Then, the physician uses an instrument to puncture the base of the skull, which collapses the fetal head. Typically, the contents of the fetal head are then partially suctioned out, which results in the death of the fetus, and reduces the sizes of the fetal head enough to allow it to pass through the cervix. The dead and otherwise intact fetus is then removed from the woman's body.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 04:10 PM

Suction Aspiration:
Suction aspiration, or "vacuum curettage," is the abortion technique used in most first trimester abortions.[9] A powerful suction tube with a sharp cutting edge is inserted into the womb through the dilated cervix. The suction dismembers the body of the developing baby and tears the placenta from the wall of the uterus, sucking blood, amniotic fluid, placental tissue, and fetal parts[10] into a collection bottle.[11]

Ugh, I guess it's true...Ignorance is bliss... But how can the doctors do this with a clean consience?

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 04:15 PM
The true question is are they realy human? How can you rip someones brains out? Thank God the President said partial birth abortion is illegal. And listen to this, the extreme liberals on the Supreme Court is acculy taking this case about partial birth abortion 'unconstitutional'.

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 05:44 PM
Ok, here are the rest of the ways abortions are done:

ilatation (Dilation) and Curettage (D&C)
In this technique, the cervix is dilated or stretched to permit the insertion of a loop shaped steel knife. The body of the baby is cut into pieces and removed and the placenta is scraped off the uterine wall. [14] Blood loss from D & C, or "mechanical" curettage is greater than for suction aspiration, as is the likelihood of uterine perforation and infection.

RU 486
While many people focus solely on RU 486, the so-called " French abortion pill," the RU 486 technique actually uses two powerful synthetic hormones with the generic names of mifepristone and misoprostol [17] to chemically induce abortions in women five-to-nine weeks pregnant.[18]

The RU 486 procedure requires at least three trips to the abortion facility.[19] In the first visit, the woman is given a physical exam, and if she has no obvious contra-indications ("red flags" such as smoking, asthma, high blood pressure, obesity, etc., that could make the drug deadly to her[20] ), she swallows the RU 486 pills. RU 486 blocks the action of progesterone, the natural hormone vital to maintaining the rich nutrient lining of the uterus. The developing baby starves as the nutrient lining disintegrates.[21]

At a second visit 36 to 48 hours later, the woman is given a dose of artificial prostaglandins, usually misoprostol, which initiates uterine contractions and usually causes the embryonic baby to be expelled from the uterus. [22] Most women abort during the 4-hour waiting period at the clinic, but about 30% abort later at home, work, etc., [23] as many as 5 days later.[24] A third visit about 2 weeks later determines whether the abortion has occurred or a surgical abortion is necessary to complete the procedure (5 to 10% of all cases).[25]

There are several serious well documented side effects associated with RU 486/prostaglandin abortions, including prolonged (up to 44 days) [26] and severe bleeding,[27] nausea, vomiting, [28] pain, [29] and even death. At least one woman in France died while others there suffered life-threatening heart attacks from the technique. [30] In U.S. trials conducted in 1995, one woman is known to have nearly died after losing half her blood and requiring emergency surgery. [31]

Long term effects of the drug have not yet been sufficiently studied, but there are reasons to believe that RU 486 could affect not only a womans current pregnancy, but her future pregnancies as well, potentially inducing miscarriages or causing severe malformations in later children.

The procedure with methotrexate is similar to the one using RU 486, though administered by an intramuscular injection instead of a pill. [33]

Originally designed to attack fast growing cells such as cancers by neutralizing the B vitamin folic acid necessary for cell division, methotrexate apparently attacks the fast growing cells of the trophoblast as well,[34] the tissue surronding the embryo that eventually gives rise to the placenta. The trophoblast not only functions as the "life support system" for the developing child, [35] drawing oxygen and nutrients from the mothers blood supply and disposing of carbon dioxide and waste products, [36] but also produces the hCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) hormone which signals the corpus luteum to continue the production of progesterone necessary to prevent breakdown of the uterine lining and loss of the pregnancy. [37] Methotrexate initiaties the disintengration of that sustaining, protective, and nourishing environment. Deprived of the food, oxygen, and fluids he or she needs to survive, the baby dies.

Three to seven days later (depending on the protocol used), a suppository of misoprostol (the same prostaglandin used with RU 486) is inserted into a womans vagina to trigger expulsion of the tiny body of the child from the womans uterus. Sometimes this occurs within the next few hours, but often a second dose of the prostaglandin is required, making the time lapse between the initial administration of methotrexate and the actual completion of the abortion as long as several weeks. [38] A woman may bleed for weeks (42 days in one study[39] ), even heavily, [40] and may abort anywhere -- at home, on the bus, at work, etc. [41] Those found to be still pregnant in later visits (at least 1 in 25) are given surgical abortions. [42]

Even doctors who support abortion are reluctant to prescribe methotrexate for abortion because of its high toxicity and unpredictable side effects. [43] Those side effects commonly include nausea, pain, diarrhea, [44] as well as less visible but more serious effects such as bone marrow depression, severe anemia, liver damage and methotrexate-induced lung disease. [45]

The manufacturer warns in the package insert that while methotrexate has shown itself useful in treating certain types of cancer and severe cases of arthritis and psoriasis, "deaths have been reported with the use of methotrexate," and recommends that its use be limited to "physicians whose knowledge and experience includes the use of antimetabolite therapy." [46] Though researchers performing methotrexate abortions have dismissed such concerns because of the low dosage used, [47] other doctors in the abortion trade have disagreed, [48] and the package insert clearly warns that "toxic effects may be related in frequency and severity to dose or frequency of administration but have been seen at all doses" (emphasis added).

2nd and 3rd trimesters:
Dilatation (Dilation) and Evacuation (D&E)
Used to abort unborn children as old as 24 weeks, this method is similar to the D&C. The difference is that forceps with sharp metal jaws are used to grasp parts of the developing baby, which are then twisted and torn away. This continues until the childs entire body is removed from the womb. Because the babys skull has often hardened to bone by this time, the skull must sometimes be compressed or crushed to facilitate removal. If not carefully removed, sharp edges of the bones may cause cervical laceration. Bleeding from the procedure may be profuse. [50]

Dr. Warren Hern, a Boulder, Colorado abortionist who has performed a number of D&E abortions, says they can be particularly troubling to a clinic staff and worries that this may have an effect on the quality of care a woman receives. Hern also finds them traumatic for doctors too, saying "there is no possibility of denial of an act of destruction by the operator. It is before one's eyes. The sensation of dismemberment flow through the forceps like an electric current."

Salt Poisoning
Otherwise known as "saline amniocentesis," "salting out," or a "hypertonic saline" abortion, this technique is used after 16 weeks of pregnancy, when enough fluid has accumulated in the amniotic fluid sac surrounding the baby.

A needle is inserted through the mothers abdomen and 50-250 ml (as much as a cup) of amniotic fluid is withdrawn and replaced with a solution of concentrated salt. [53] The baby breathes in, swallowing the salt, and is poisoned.[54] The chemical solution also causes painful burning and deterioration of the babys skin. [55] Usually, after about an hour, the child dies. The mother goes into labor about 33 to 35 hours after instillation and delivers a dead, burned, and shriveled baby. [56] About 97% of mothers deliver their dead babies within 72 hours.[57]

Hypertonic saline may initiate a condition in the mother called "consumption coagulopathy" (uncontrolled blood clotting throughout the body) with severe hemorrhage as well as other serious side effects on the central nervous system. [58] Seizures, coma, or death may also result from saline inadvertently injected into the womans vascular system.[59]

Because of the dangers associated with saline methods, other instillation methods such as hypersomolar urea are sometimes employed, [60] though these are less effective and usually must be supplemented by oxytocin or a prostaglandin in order to achieve the desired result. [61] Incomplete or failed abortion remains a problem with urea methods, often precipitating the additional risk of surgery.

As with other instillation techniques, gastrointestinal side effects such as nausea or vomiting are frequent, but the most common problem with second trimester techniques is cervical injuries, which range from small lacerations to complete detachments of the anterior or posterior cervix. Between 1% and 2% of patients using urea must be hospitalized for treatment of endometritis, an infection of the lining oft he uterus.[62]

Prostaglandins are naturally produced chemical compounds which normally assist in the birthing process. The injection of concentrations of artificial prostaglandins prematurely into the amniotic sac induces violent labor and the birth of a child usually too young to survive. Often salt or another toxin is first injected to ensure that the baby will be delivered dead, [63] since some babies have survived the trauma of a prostaglandin birth and been born alive. [64] This method is used during the second trimester. [65]

In addition to risks of retained placenta, cervical trauma, infection, hemorrhage, [66] hyperthermia, bronchoconstriction, tachycardia, [67] more serious side effects and complications from the use of artificial prostaglandins, including cardiac arrest and rupture of the uterus, can be unpredictable and very severe. Death is not unheard of.

Similar to the Caesarean Section, this method is generally used if chemical methods such as salt poisoning or prostaglandins fail (see pp. 12-14). Incisions are made in the abdomen and uterus and the baby, placenta, and amniotic sac are removed. [72] Babies are sometimes born alive during this procedure, raising questions as to how and when these infants are killed and by whom.

This method offers the highest risk to the health of the mother, because the potential for rupture during subsequent pregnancies is appreciable. [73] In the first two years of legal abortion in New York State, the death rate from hysterotomy was 271.2 deaths per 100,000 cases.

Ok, I'm gonna go, I'm feeling a little ill...

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 05:47 PM
If you love to find out some big shiat take a look at Belgium in connection with "bribing" and "dutroux". One of the most corrupt states in the western world

btw. I have nothing against belgium
and got many infos from a good friend being from there and now living there. It is just a topic thats always lost in media

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 06:01 PM
heh, but I read in the Weekly World News that Belgum was wiped off the face of the planet my a meteor and nobody has noticed yet...

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