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Originally posted by whirlwind
Yes, religions are basically false. Christianity isn't a religion but a way of life. It isn't man-made.
When you say, "God is pure spirit, remember?". I don't remember, nor do I understand. Please tell me where it is written so I can see what you mean.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The woman said unto him, I know that Messiah comes, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus said unto her, I that speak unto you am he.
~ John 4:23-26
Because I quoted Bullinger you believe I have a closed mind?
I don't "automatically quote him" and there are things I disagree with but I rely on his knowledge of what was in the original manuscript and their meaning.
I believe "Mystery Babylon" is religion, all religion.
Why do you assume I am not guided by the Holy Spirit?
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Helel in Canaanite myth is a deity and possibly an epithet of Ashtar and not the son of Shaher. He or She doesn't try to usurp the throne of the Chief deity which would be El, but sits in Baal's throne.
What is this Angel with wings thing?
The usage in that passage is a prophecy. Don't forget that. So it may apply to Nabonidus the last King of Babylon or a future king.
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
~ Malachi 4:2-6
Originally posted by whirlwind
There is good and evil,
QA - And what is the origin of BOTH?
WW - there is the Rock and the rock, there is Christ and the anti-christ, there is light and darkness, there is the Morning Star and the morning star.
QA- What's with the capital letters?...The translations selectively translate as well as capitalize. There was no such thing as capital letters in Hebrew. Tsor is rock. That is 'the' rock. ...And in the Greek, it is petra. Without exception.
As far as Christ and 'THE' anti-christ....well there is absolutely NO actual phrase in the bible properly translated as 'the anti-christ.' Not ONCE is 'anti-christ' preceded by the definite article (the). Which is only 4 times written by John anyway....and when Christ mentions 'false' messiahs, which is just ONCE, it is another word entirely than the one translated 'antichrist' as written by John. To top it off, John does not mention it at all in Revelation.
WW - Satan comes pretending to be Christ.
QA - It does NOT say that. Men say that and men believe that. The bible says no such thing.
Originally posted by whirlwind
He did however create Satan and he became evil.
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
~ Genesis 6:11-13
The capital letters just show the difference in the two, the imposter and the true:
It is just another name for the one he does mention in Revelation: Wormwood, the deceiver, the beast, the dragon, satan, the devil, the accuser, the old serpent.
That is Satan coming to earth as Christ. Compare it to the time the true Christ arrives. In 13:11 he comes looking like the lamb but he is the dragon.
Satan will deceive many because they will believe he is Christ.
Originally posted by jakyll
You mentioned "false messiahs" and i was just wondering how many people know what that word really represents as well...
Implications. The anointing meant that someone was authorized to serve God in a position of honor and responsibility. Divine enabelment often accompanied the anointing. While many were anointed, only One was given the title of "the Anointed One."""
Many men have been hailed as messiah because they have saved/freed the jewish people etc.for example....
but the "greatest" must be Arthur James Balfour,as it was his Balfour Declaration of 1917 that led to the founding of the modern state of Israel.
Originally posted by whirlwind
It is a gift from God but to receive his gift you must "show yourself approved", as you have by studying His Word and by seeking only God. If you had not done that you may have been "called by the Holy Spirit" but would you have understood to the depth you now do?
I don't believe we are living in the millennium now. I've read points pro and con. The destruction of Jerusalem was not what Christ referenced when He told us of the end of days. It isn't far but it is not yet.
I do know that the "book of life" is the Bible and I feel that my name is written there, I pray it is.
I have that peace too - it is indescribable. You are right in that only God can open the eyes of others but it is up to us to plant seeds - He will, or will not, make them germinate.
So then neither is he that plants any thing, neither he that waters; but God that gives the increase.
Now he that plants and he that waters are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.
For we are laborers together with God: you are God's husbandry, you are God's building.
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds thereon.
But let every man take heed how he builds thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
~ 1 Corinthians 3:7-11
Originally posted by jakyll
But i think that comes down to the differences in the scriptures.the Hebrews have always looked for someone to lead them from oppression and bondage,by violence if necessary.the christians look for someone to lead them to salvation through peace.its like the hebrew saviour is for the physical world,the christian saviour for the spiritual.
As for the holocaust.i'd need to start a new thread to go on about that! lol.
Originally posted by Gen-X
To add my 2 cents to this thread:
Mike is right. Satan is not Lucifer.
Ha Satan is the porsecutor. But Mike you are wrong if you blieve Satan hates mankind. He is more like a lawyer. Or an actor who plays his role.
By the way Mike. Do you know the connection between Ha Satan and Moshiach? Or the Letter VAV?
Originally posted by whirlwind
Yes, religions are basically false. Christianity isn't a religion but a way of life. It isn't man-made.
QA - Yes it is. Both of those things. A way of life when the footsteps of Jesus Christ are literally followed. A man-made religion in the form worshiped.
One who follows the teachings of Christ - in TRUTH - has no need to claim that they do or call themselves by his TITLE. They understand He is in us all....Jesus the man is the ideal. Christ is the spirit which unites us in love and truth.
WW - When you say, "God is pure spirit, remember?". I don't remember, nor do I understand. Please tell me where it is written so I can see what you mean.
QA - But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The woman said unto him, I know that Messiah comes, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus said unto her, I that speak unto you am he.
~ John 4:23-26
QA - If you allow G.O.D. to bring you into agreement with the TRUTH then disagreement disappears.
WW - I believe "Mystery Babylon" is religion, all religion.
QA - All religions. That's basically correct except that with that you still judge OTHERS according to that and leave yourself out. We are all ONE.There is NOT any individual soul that G.O.D. doesn't love JUST AS MUCH as He loves you. And not any that He loves more.
WW - Why do you assume I am not guided by the Holy Spirit?
QA - Because you are following Bullinger. You yourself wrote that you RELY on HIS knowledge. 1 John 2:27.
Originally posted by whirlwind
He did however create Satan and he became evil.
QA - Where do you find THAT in the bible?
What I find is that he created MAN. He found that there was evil in every man's heart from his youth.
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
~ Genesis 6:11-13
FLESH caused violence. Not Satan. That is, if you define Satan as a spirit/daemon, etc.
Do you?
WW - The capital letters just show the difference in the two, the imposter and the true:
QA - According to MEN's translations, whirlwind. It was NOT written that way by the pens that were held by hands guided by the Holy Spirit.
WW - It is just another name for the one he does mention in Revelation: Wormwood, the deceiver, the beast, the dragon, satan, the devil, the accuser, the old serpent.
QA - Once again, according to MEN. But that was not what was meant. Not at all.
WW - That is Satan coming to earth as Christ. Compare it to the time the true Christ arrives. In 13:11 he comes looking like the lamb but he is the dragon.
QA - Once AGAIN, human translation/interpretation/judgment/error.
WW - Satan will deceive many because they will believe he is Christ.
QA - Men deceive themselves. Why add to it? It is allowed but not to torment or punish - and then we are given the spirit of Truth. Who brings all things to our remembrance....I remember.
God is not going to leave ANYONE out. Not ANYONE.
Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by Gen-X
I know you asked mikeboyd,hope you don't mind if i answer...
Moshiach is one of the hebrew spellings for messiah.
and i found this out about VAV....
"""In the beginning of Creation, when Infinite Light filled all reality, G d contracted His Light to create hollow empty space, as it were, the "place" necessary for the existence of finite worlds. Into this vacuum God drew down, figuratively speaking, a single line of light, from the Infinite Source. This ray of light is the secret of the letter vav. Though the line is singular in appearance, it nonetheless possesses two dimensions, an external as well as an internal force, both of which take part in the process of Creation and the continuous interaction between the creative power and created reality.
The external force of the line is the power to differentiate and separate the various aspects of reality, thereby establishing hierarchical order, up and down, within Creation. The internal force of the line is the power to reveal the inherent interinclusion of the various aspects of reality, one in the other, thereby joining them together as an organic whole. This property of the letter vav, in its usage in Hebrew, is referred to as vav hachibur, the vav of connection"--"and." The first vav of the Torah--"In the beginning G d created the heavens and [vav] the earth"--serves to join spirit and matter, heaven and the earth, throughout Creation. This vav, which appears at the beginning of the sixth word of the Torah, is the twenty-second letter of the verse. It alludes to the power to connect and interrelate all twenty-two individual powers of Creation, the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet from alef to tav. (The word et [which appears before the two instances of the word "the" in this verse, and is spelled alef-tav] is generally taken to represent all the letters of the alphabet, from alef to tav. Our Sages interpret the word in this verse to include all the various objects of Creation present within heaven and earth.)
In Biblical Hebrew, the letter vav also possesses the function of inverting the apparent tense of a verb to its opposite from past to future or from future to past (vav hahipuch). The first appearance of this type of vav in the Torah is the letter vav" which begins the twenty-second word of the account of Creation, "And God said...." This is the first explicit saying of the ten sayings of Creation: "And G d said [the verb 'said' being inverted from the future to the past tense by the vav at the beginning of the word--'And']: 'Let there be light,' and there was light." The phenomenon of light breaking through the darkness of the tzimtzum, the primordial contraction, is itself the secret of time (future becoming past) which permeates space."""
from,The Mystical Significance
of the Hebrew Letters.
WW - """I don't judge but I do discern. Of course He loves everyone and wants everyone to love Him. Will they? There are conditions."""
Jakyll - Don't you think love should be unconditional?
Whether that is love between 2 people or love between human and god.
Originally posted by whirlwind
You have stated that before. I assume you mean bring me into agreement with your truth and the disagreement would disappear.
Both of us feel we have the truth, as led by the Holy Spirit, and yet we disagree.
I don't judge but I do discern. Of course He loves everyone and wants everyone to love Him. Will they? There are conditions.
Originally posted by whirlwind
He will give everyone a chance but not all will accept Him.
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
~ Isaiah 45:23
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
~ 1 Timothy 2:4-6