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There is also a Seven Hills in Australia as well in Ohio.
Lisbon, Portugal is known as the 'City of Seven Hills.'
Originally posted by whirlwind
reply to post by MikeboydUS
In Jeremiah G-d says the Earth Is in Chaos.
"I look at the Earth. It is Tohu Va'Bohu. At the Skies, and their Light is gone. I look at the mountains, They are quaking, and all of the hills are rocking."
Jere.4:23. I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form......
24.I beheld the mountains....
25.I beheld, and, lo, there was no man.......
26.I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness......
I Beheld, not I Behold. This was from the first age.
So Moses turned Aaron's staff into an Angel? ....The Serpent Nachash is described as Chayah, a living creature. That is important. This is not a Spirit or one of the Hosts, but a living creature in the Garden. A creature with seed or offspring too.
Satan, the serpent, is a living creature. He had offspring, just as the fallen angels did.
Heres some bits on the Seven Heavens....www.ucalgary.ca...
Thank you for that link but it isn't scripture. The thoughts are those of men, traditions of men, that God warns us of. Jesus said that He foretold us of all things and as far as I know the only other heaven I know of is the 3rd heaven Paul told us he was taken to. That, to me, is the one that follows this age.
.......Whirlwind
Originally posted by whirlwind
There is only one God and everyone will walk in the name of that one God, forever and ever.
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.
To not think that goes against all other scripture on that important subject.
Would He allow other gods to be worshiped in the millennium or eternity when that is what He so warns us against throughout this age?
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:1-2
Babylon, bable/confusion, is being void of the knowledge of God.
The one that does that is the king of Babylon and that is Satan.
And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honored him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he does according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honor and brightness returned unto me; and my counselors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.
Daniel 4:34-37
The ones in history are types for The King of Babylon, Satan.
All nations will be under him but we, as Christians, cannot "serve" him:
All nations will serve him (Satan), as there will be a one world system under his control.
For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Jeremiah 29:10-11
That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Ephesians 1:10
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
The daughter of Zion, will go to Babylon and be delivered from her enemies. How will that happen? God's elect will speak God's truth in Jerusalem (the Holy Spirit will speak through them) and "even the gainsayers cannot resist" Luke 21:15.
Originally posted by jakyll
reply to post by queenannie38
But none of those places have any historical bearing on the subject I am talking about!!
I'm talking about the enemies of christians and the kingdom of Judah.the two biggest threats were Babylon and then Rome.
and you didn't answer my question
Originally posted by whirlwind
That was a very informative geography lesson. Thank you for the information........Whirlwind
Originally posted by jakyll
Have you ever thought that the name Babylon has been used in the bible as a metaphor for Rome??
Babylon and then Assyria may have gone to war with the ppl of Judah,but under Cyrus the Great(called messiah by the jews.) of the Persian empire the jews were returned to their homeland.the kings who followed Cyrus did as he did;respected other ppl's gods!
It wasn't until Roman rule that the province of Judah once more became a fighting ground.at this time Parthia ruled over the area that once was Babylons domain,and they were never in conflict with Judah,only Rome.
And,as you no doubt know,the Romans desecrated many holy sites,robbed Judah of its treasures and its ancient relics etc etc.
In the time of Jesus,it was Rome who was the threat,Rome persecuted jews and the newly emerging christians.could not the emperor be the new "whore of babylon"?
Originally posted by jakyll
I think its time we had a new "nicea" meeting.get rid of the books and passages in the bible that have no bearing on jesus and christianity.get rid of all the violence and pauls insane attitude to women etc.and add the "missing" gospels of thomas,philip and mary magdalene.add the beautifully written book of enoch and the dead sea scrolls.and see what happens lol.
You never known,it might do the world good.people won't be able to pick out passages of violence in the bible and say,"well,god says its aight." if you just fill the bible with the words of jesus,god and messages of peace and love i don't see how you could go wrong!!
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people,
but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself:
I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:18
I'm guessing your using something like a King James Commissioned Translation. ...I'm going to stick with my Jewish Publication Society translation.
Your missing the Point about the Serpent creature. Its one of the many creatures of the Garden. Meaning there is most likley two in the Garden as the other Creatures all have mates and there are even more outside the Garden like everything in the Garden has more on earth. Its whole line was cursed by G-d.....Satan on the other hand is a Celestial, one of the Hosts of Heaven. Not a creature of the Garden.
If it makes a contradiction in your understanding, then there is an explanation in scripture. You can't throw one verse out because it doesn't fit in with what you believe....I know you know this.
Babylon, bable/confusion, is being void of the knowledge of God......NO. Babel simply means 'confusion.'What dictionary do you use?
NO WHERE in the bible does it say that OR insinuate that.
In fact, Nebuchadnezzar ended up anything but void about the knowledge of God:
Originally posted by whirlwind
reply to post by MikeboydUS
I'm guessing your using something like a King James Commissioned Translation. ...I'm going to stick with my Jewish Publication Society translation.
I use a Companion Bible, KJV, E.W. Bullinger.
Your missing the Point about the Serpent creature. Its one of the many creatures of the Garden. Meaning there is most likley two in the Garden as the other Creatures all have mates and there are even more outside the Garden like everything in the Garden has more on earth. Its whole line was cursed by G-d.....Satan on the other hand is a Celestial, one of the Hosts of Heaven. Not a creature of the Garden.
Mike, Satan is the serpent. He was there at the beginning and will be there at the end. He is who we fight against. Remember the first prophecy:
Gen.3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel."
Satan bruised the heels of Christ on the cross but Christ will bruise his head - a killing blow.
Satan is the serpent, the dragon, the leviathan, the deceiver, the accuser, the morning star, Lucifer, etc., etc., etc.
A storm is coming up - I'll continue this later.
........Whirlwind
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Originally posted by whirlwind
reply to post by MikeboydUS
The Bible I use, Companion Bible, has footnotes and appendixes written by E.W. Bullinger. He was the only Christian allowed to edit the Massorah for Ginsberg. It is a standard KJV and he has shown where words have been changed or added from the manuscripts. As I don't understand Hebrew or Greek I am able to use the Strong's Concordance to get the meaning of the original word.
In Appendix 19 Bullinger goes into depth on The Serpent of Genesis 3. I'll list a few of his thoughts. I don't know if it will change your mind or not but you may find it of interest.
In Gen.3 we have neither allegory, myth, legend, nor fable, but literal historical facts set forth, and emphasised by the use of certain figures of speech. (snip)
But for the figurative language of verses 14 and 15 no one would have thought of referring the third chapter of Genesis to a snake: no more than he does when reading the third chapter from the end of Revelation 10:2. Indeed, the explanation added there, that the "old serpent" is the Devil and Satan, would immediately lead one to connect the world "old" with the earlier and former mention of the serpent in Gen. 3: and the fact that it was Satan himself who tempted "the second man", "the last Adam", would force the conclusion that no other than the personal Satan could have been the tempter of "the first man, Adam".
The Hebrew word rendered "serpent" in Gen. 3:1 is Nachash (from the root Nachash, to shine), and means a shining one. Hence, in Chaldee it means brass or copper, because of its shining. Hence also, the word Nehushtan, a piece of brass, in 2 Kings 18:4.(snip)
The Nachash, or serpent who beguiled Eve (2 Cor.11:3) is spoken of as "an angel of light" in vs. 14. Have we not, in this, a clear intimation that it was not a snake, but a glorious shining being, apparently an angel, to whom Eve paid such great deference, acknowledging him as one who seemed to possess superior knowledge, and who was evidently a being of a superior (not of an inferior) order? Moreover, in the description of Satan as "the king of Tyre" it is distinctly implied that the latter being was of a supernatural order when he is called "a cherub" (Ezek28:14,16). His presence "in Eden, the garden of 'Elohim" (v.13), is also clearly stated, as well as his being "perfect in beauty", his being "perfect in his ways from the day he was created till iniquity was found in him" and as being "lifted up because of his beauty".(snip)
We cannot conceive Eve as holding converse with a snake, but we can understand her being fascinated by one, apparently, "an angel of light" (i.e. a glorious angel), possessing superior and supernatural knowledge.
He goes on in much greater detail but that tells us what he believes. An interesting footnote to the appendix is:
It is remarkable that the verb nachash always means to enchant, fascinate, bewitch; or of one having and using occult knowledge.
I'm sorry this was so long and I hope it was of interest to you.
.........Whirlwind
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
By presenting my case against the idea that Satan is not Lucifer I am challenging people to go do the research and study.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
By presenting my case against the idea that Satan is not Lucifer I am challenging people to go do the research and study.
Why?
You ignore the results of everyone's findings (pretty much) if they aren't in line with what you have discovered (it seems to me BUT I AM guessing)
....an acknowledgment, AT LEAST, of legitimate sources, links, etc. which have been provided on your thread...