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Pentagon Pays $998,798 for sending two 19-cent washers to Texas

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posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Logic dictates that that plays a role too. But the lion's share of funding comes from the taxpayers, which constitutes a great deal more.


Originally posted by Luap
That's impossible to prove, since taxpayer funding is relatively accountable compared to illegal funds.

It doesn't need to be proven. My conclusion was based on psychological analysis as well as logic. The corruption that we see is only a fraction of what we do not see.


Originally posted by Luap
That said, the "illegal" economy is gigantic. I've heard that Moises Naim's book Illicit: How Smugglers, Traffickers, and Copycats Are Hijacking the Global Economy gives a good account of how much wealth is transferred through this underground network. I heard this from John Robb, who says in his book that "these networks form a parallel 'black' global supply chain, having a GDP of $1 to $3 trillion (some estimates have put this as high as 10 percent of the legal global economy), and are growing at seven times the rate of legal global trade." (Brave New War, pg 149) Such a vast source of (increasing) wealth would seem to invite the manipulations of all sorts of organizations, including the clandestinate intelligence communities around the world.

I see much truth to the above overview.

A number of those "clandestine intelligence communities" may presently be living in black project spacecraft and/or on off-world bases.

Way back in the 1950s, President Eisenhower warned people about the emerging international industrial complex.

Now it is too late.

But that's okay.

There are other factors and forces at work here.






posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
I see much truth to the above overview.

A number of those "clandestine intelligence communities" may presently be living in black project spacecraft and/or on off-world bases.

Way back in the 1950s, President Eisenhower warned people about the emerging international industrial complex.

Now it is too late.

But that's okay.

There are other factors and forces at work here.




Or, those "clandestine intelligence communities" are living at the center of the earth, or in my ears, or within the meatballs I had for dinner tonight. No matter how you put it, evidence is order. I think a more plausible explanation would be that certain individuals involved in these intelligence agencies thought that national security trumped the law (WRONG! IMO) and cooperated with organized crime to advance this national security.

Anyway, I don't know what speech of Eisenhower's you listened to, but I don't think I've ever heard mention of an "international industrial complex." He certainly mentioned the "military industrial complex" (not military-industrial-Congressional complex, at the request of Congress) in his farewell address. Either way, war profiteers and affiliated capitalists are dangers to world society. A military-industrial-legislative complex has yet to emerge on the world stage (from my observations at least), but such MICs are still very influential at the nation-state stage. There definitely exist multinational defense agencies as well, but they don't seem to hold the same power at the nation-state level.

[edit on 17-8-2007 by Luap]



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 04:11 PM
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"You absolutely can blame prior administrations as well for not putting checks and balances in place to police this type of issue when the concept was sent live."

Well if that's true, then please tell me what "checks and balances" the Bush Administration has put into effect since taking office nearly seven years ago.

"The only thing you can blame this administration on for this issue is not finding it before now."

But what about the "checks and balances?" You seem to imply that the Clinton Administration was obliged to put in these checks and balances. Does this obligation only extend to democratic administrations?

Look, I don't blame Bush for this specifically. I think it's the military's obligation. The problem is that, between Iraq and Katrina, this administration has been characterized by unprecedented waste and fraud. And to blame the Clinton Administration for something going on in the sixth year of this administration is ridiculous.

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posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop


Pssht, and people wonder WHY The economy is crashing.


The economy is crashing? I was not aware of this? Let's see. Unemployment is extremely low, the economy is growing and we are not in a recession, the stock market may be weak lately but a 10% correction in a bull market is healthy. Oh the sub-prime mess? Lots of people who were to dumb to realize that they could not afford their mortgage or an increase if interest rates went up. Ownership has both risks and rewards.

This economy is extremely strong.



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by theebdk
Oh the sub-prime mess? Lots of people who were to dumb to realize that they could not afford their mortgage or an increase if interest rates went up. Ownership has both risks and rewards.

Don't simplify the subprime market problem. When banks don't buy 3rd party mortages because the people aren't paying their mortgages, the investors who own these publically traded companies loose cash. Which makes the bigger banks scramble to pull cash that they don't have, or can't unleash without straining their operating procedures. This effects all & could end up being a straw that breaks the camels back. The dollar is falling at a rate that frightens even the most optimistic banker. The feds can't lower the rate to ease tention on this crisis because it would further weaken the dollar.

Yes, we may make it out of this, we areleaving ourselves not that much room for error. Let's just hope nothing else happens.


This economy is extremely strong.

The "long term" jobs are leaving the country. Those stable jobs are being replaces by unstable trendy empoyments. This is a big difference to what America was built from.

my .02 anyways.
It may only be worth .01 cent now because of deflation.

AAC



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posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 06:44 PM
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the question im suprised no one has asked yet...did these women or their "company" contribute to anyones "campaign fund"? and if so how much?

i mean its possible they found this "flaw" on their own but isnt it also possible that someone "inadvertently" mentioned it at a campaign dinner?

who are their local representatives? are any of these reps on the defense oversight committee?



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Damocles
the question im suprised no one has asked yet...did these women or their "company" contribute to anyones "campaign fund"? and if so how much?


I thought of this and did a brief google search and didn't come up with anything right off the bat. Would be interesting to know, I agree.

AAC



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 06:57 PM
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Small leaks like this arrive from time to time through the mass of accounting paperwork.

It is very naive to really believe that whatever was in the box or shipment was really just a few washers and screws.

Every single country will always find ways to disguise its spending on research and defence.

The oldest tricks are the best tricks. Consider transport of materials both hazardous or advanced tech.

Do you really think they will be moved in trucks with police escorts, military escorts, flashing lights, warnings, etc etc

Or would you just stick it in a truck - slap a coca cola logo on the side of it, and follow it discreetly.



Same as this post - deliver x amount of screws and washers to x location. Just dont look in the box....



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 07:17 PM
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This made absolutely no sense to me. Please explain. Your cool with these "small" leaks as you call them? I don't know if you've ever run a company, no matter the size, screw ups like this will bring down the biggest ship.

"A fool and his money will soon part."

AAC



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by uberarcanist
Well, u know there's that famous line on "Independence Day" wherein this is proposed as the mechanism whereby Area 51 is funded.

Actually the funds received for these actions do not "fall" into blank accounts that would be used to fund secret access projects at all since the contractors aren't government ran, they're just hired by the government to do a service.

This is a good example of a bureaucracy at work.

Shattered OUT...



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 10:11 PM
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So they were capable of doing this because of efforts to expedite delivery to Iraq.




Along with the cost of the items sold, C&D made claims for shipping costs. Officials say these shipping claims were processed automatically to streamline the resupply of items to combat troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.


www.washingtonpost.com...

www.wltx.com...



What I'm curious about, is why this is news...now? I mean, the one sister killed herself last October. So why now is it creeping back into the news?



posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Luap
Or, those "clandestine intelligence communities" are living at the center of the earth, or in my ears, or within the meatballs I had for dinner tonight. No matter how you put it, evidence is order.

Fortunately, there is the testimonial evidence of one Gary McKinnon, as well as the testimonial evidence of various abductees who have reported being taken to bases that had uniformed US soldiers working alongside Zetan-Greys.

Not enough?

There is also the testimonial evidence of hundreds of former governmental employees in The Disclosure Project of Dr. Steven Greer. At least one of those said that there is a large alien base in the Moon and basically all of them confirm that extraterrestrials exist and have come here. Collusion between facets of the government and Zetan-aliens, specifically the Greys, is a hot topic.

So I think we can rule out your meatball and ear theories at least.


As far as living deep inside the planet, there is some truth to that estimate, but not at the Earth's core. According to retired Army Sgt. Clifford Stone - who is also part of The Disclosure Project - there are "probably twelve or fewer" full-scale alien bases around the planet - underground and underwater.


Originally posted by Luap
I think a more plausible explanation would be that certain individuals involved in these intelligence agencies thought that national security trumped the law (WRONG! IMO) and cooperated with organized crime to advance this national security.

A popular theory these days.


Originally posted by Luap
Anyway, I don't know what speech of Eisenhower's you listened to, but I don't think I've ever heard mention of an "international industrial complex."

Sorry, I got one word wrong.

The actual phrase used was military industrial complex.

President Eisenhower's Speech On January 17th, 1961 & His Warning About The Military Industrial Complex


Originally posted by Luap
He certainly mentioned the "military industrial complex" (not military-industrial-Congressional complex, at the request of Congress) in his farewell address. Either way, war profiteers and affiliated capitalists are dangers to world society.

Take war profiteers and affiliated capitalists, put them together, and guess what you have?

A military industrial complex



Originally posted by Luap
A military-industrial-legislative complex has yet to emerge on the world stage (from my observations at least), but such MICs are still very influential at the nation-state stage. There definitely exist multinational defense agencies as well, but they don't seem to hold the same power at the nation-state level.

It's not like they hold regular press conferences.


The military industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned about is what is behind the "non-terrestrial officer" black projects fleet in space that Gary McKinnon stumbled upon when hacking into federal computers. They are the ones who manufacture all the technology that enables black projects, funded largely through tax money, to exist in the first place


So it has very much panned out like Ike said it would.




posted on Aug, 17 2007 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

Is there even an excuse that would make this seems plausible? If this isn't any indication of the type of administration we have in office, I don't know a better example. Of course I know the pentagon exists outside the whitehouse, but this whitehouse is different.


If I'm not mistaken, there is a book called (I think it's called this) A Prayer in The Pentagon. Or it may be another book title. I'm not sure. But whatever the title is, I read this book. It talks about all sorts of ridiculous spending that the pentagon does. Like $50,000 on a coffee pot for air force one that won't blow up if the plane goes down, $80,000 for the airplanes toilet seat, etc... It's some crazy stuff. The reason a B2 bomber costs several billion dollars is because the screws and washers have $70,000 price tags. I don't know how they get away with it. I think someone audited the pentagon and took them to court. I don't remember what the outcome was or when this happened or if it was silenced completely but I do remember hearing about it when it happened.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
C'mon,
Really.
How would you not know?

Someone in the administration knew full well what was happening.

For example, look at the cost of basics being paid for corporations in Iraq.
The amazing suv's that are bought for secretartis workign in the greenzone...... fully kitted out...

The fat cats know full well how much money is being ripped of, well its not being ripped off, its being signed off..

if something comes to light, like this...
they government has to play the fraudulent card
Afterall they cant appear to be acceptable and allowing this sort of basic greed... especialyl when its tax payer funded money.

Pssht, and people wonder WHY The economy is crashing.


From what I've heard, the war is being run Cost Plus to companies... Whatever it costs to do what you need, plus a certain percentage for profit. If you can have your employees stay at motel 6 for $39 a night or the Ritz for $995 a night, which would you want if you're guaranteed a +% from the Gov't?

Watch Iraq for Sale: video.google.com...

As for the economy crashing: www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...


[edit on 18-8-2007 by Angry Danish]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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I wonder if they were the low bidder?



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 12:39 PM
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I hope sombody at the pentagon is losing their jobs over this?
totally unacceptable, its just another company profiting the war, can you blame them? Ever try to cancel an AOL account? These people are no different. I would have overcharged them too.



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Fortunately, there is the testimonial evidence of one Gary McKinnon, as well as the testimonial evidence of various abductees who have reported being taken to bases that had uniformed US soldiers working alongside Zetan-Greys.

Not enough?

There is also the testimonial evidence of hundreds of former governmental employees in The Disclosure Project of Dr. Steven Greer. At least one of those said that there is a large alien base in the Moon and basically all of them confirm that extraterrestrials exist and have come here. Collusion between facets of the government and Zetan-aliens, specifically the Greys, is a hot topic.

So I think we can rule out your meatball and ear theories at least.


As far as living deep inside the planet, there is some truth to that estimate, but not at the Earth's core. According to retired Army Sgt. Clifford Stone - who is also part of The Disclosure Project - there are "probably twelve or fewer" full-scale alien bases around the planet - underground and underwater.


Do you have any links to these testimonies? Or a general source where all this Zetan stuff is outlined? Please understand my HUGE amount of skepticism here.


Originally posted by Paul_Richard
It's not like they hold regular press conferences.


The military industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned about is what is behind the "non-terrestrial officer" black projects fleet in space that Gary McKinnon stumbled upon when hacking into federal computers. They are the ones who manufacture all the technology that enables black projects, funded largely through tax money, to exist in the first place


So it has very much panned out like Ike said it would.



More links, please.
I’ll probably start out by Wikiing this McKinnon guy, but do you have any other sources about these black projects?



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Luap
Do you have any links to these testimonies? Or a general source where all this Zetan stuff is outlined? Please understand my HUGE amount of skepticism here.

This has been hashed and re-hashed in ATS many times.

There is a great deal of information available:

Area 51 and Bob Lazar Summary

The Disclosure Project

Bob Lazar Videos

Sgt. Clifford Stone Videos

Then slowly go through all the pertinent sites via the Great Reference Links that I provide in my signature.


Originally posted by Luap
More links, please.
I’ll probably start out by Wikiing this McKinnon guy, but do you have any other sources about these black projects?

Good luck on contacting Gary McKinnon. He might be legally bound to no longer discuss this subject in public.

Direct links to accurate sources on current black projects is hard if not impossible to find. The government doesn't take kindly to the general release of that information, which is putting it mildly.

This site does not represent what is currently going on in space.

Before he died, Ben Rich, former head of Lockheed Aircraft, once told Jan C. Harzon (a MUFON director) that the military already has the capability to travel among the stars, and what a shame it is that this knowledge is being kept from the public.

A must-see is Bob Lazar's DVD documentary. The Zetan antimatter weapons issue is explained at length. Antimatter weapons are far more powerful than traditional nuclear variations. Zetan spacecraft and probes are powered by antimatter reactors that have been described to be the size of a basketball.

Avoid all New Age sites (like the Pleiadian sites) which claim that the aliens are our space brothers and are here to further our evolution. There is a web of deception and propaganda which extends on many levels: from the physical Zetan-aliens, from the government, from alien spirits who pose as technically advanced extraterrestrials with spacecraft, etc.

Take your time. There is a lot to absorb and analyze.



[edit on 18-8-2007 by Paul_Richard]



posted on Aug, 18 2007 @ 11:10 PM
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Is the statement "As time went on..." something not comprehended?

I believe the proper chronology presented in this article is that the cheating got progressively worse.

Are you suggesting Bill Clinton should have caught the small cheating, but Bush is absolved of the grossly huge scamming occurring under his administration's watch?

Or what?

"It's Clinton's Fault!!! The sky is falling!!!!!!"

Clue: He left us a 150 billion dollar surplus. Seen it lately?



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 09:00 AM
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I'll check it all out. If, as you say, accurate sources are difficult to come by due to the nature of the subject, then how do you know any of this stuff is real?




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