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Originally posted by IamBoon
There are very Different aspects to an Athiests belief and other theistics beliefs.
If you cannot see those like you should see white and black would you like me to point it out to you?
An athiest belief is like the belief you are alive. You believe it, and others can attest and give forth many manifestations in testable, concrete ,and plausible manners that justify it towards truth. I.E I believe there is no god or gods based on these evidences because of logic, lack of evidence, hypocrisy, i.e
A thiest bases belief on paranormal,un-manifest, abstract arrangments, dogmas, and doctrines that have no basis in testable, logical terms and are void of evidence besides the doctrines from whish they are derived.
Belief as you are defining it is too abstract to even be applied to anyconclusive idea because the manner you are using it applies to everything, to me living, the earth actually existing, to anything that manifests, which, is just a form of malignant and desperate chicanery.
[edit on 13-8-2007 by IamBoon]
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Science has absolute truths until they are disproven. The earth was factually flat before it was round and the stars orbited around the earth or so science once said. These were absolute truths at one time.
Originally posted by melatonin
Evolution is a theory and a fact.
That life has changed over time is a fact. Common descent via the process of natural selection is a theory. So, the observations are fact (e.g., that species existing today never existed in the past), the mechanisms of evolution are theory (e.g., non-random selection acting on random mutation etc).
[edit on 13-8-2007 by melatonin]
Originally posted by IamBoon
At war with Fundamentalist, at war with ignorance, at war with corruption. That si what these book yield. Yes some part are beautiful, Vedas especially. Hoever tell me th Qu'ran is beautiful in its majority. Sure it has lesson, but now imagine it as a way to live and it become grotesque, brutal and inhumane as does the bible.
Sure I love culture , but in my opninion we need to make these modern religions more like we view Thor, Bohan, Isis, and other respectable views on the way to human enlightenment. It is time to move on. TAht is my view.
And yes I think most new prevailent science is just as ridiculous as some of these religions. Thye are grasping at straws too.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Any system of belief that cannot be proven constitutes a religion
Period.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Evolution and Creationism are still only theories
Originally posted by melatonin
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Science has absolute truths until they are disproven. The earth was factually flat before it was round and the stars orbited around the earth or so science once said. These were absolute truths at one time.
But the claim the earth was flat wasn't absolute truth, and neither is that the earth is an almost spherical object.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by IamBoon
disagreeing with and attacking christians doesnt make them go away. it justs makes them more fanatic. I opened this thread to point out all the other threads based on the religion vs. atheism/science thing.
I actually find many atheists to be very fanatic (in your face) in the way they argue their points. I for one am not what you would call some super religious person, so I guess their faith is greater than mine…
Originally posted by IamBoon
Did I meantion science... so by your system..... Thor is just as likely to be as fact as me taking a sip out of this coffee sitting here?
Absurd. And actually, science's ability to be changed and altered based on evidence is beautiful and is it's main function that gives it the power to revolutionize and improves our live's as much as it has.
You can point out to the past all u wnat... but as OUR knowledge grew so science changed. Religion doesn't. If you were living back in the time when the world was flat... you might be worshipping Wotan and beieving it was flat. Now you know better so you choose to say "Wow, they were wrong" As if science is trying to hide it... but that is it's beauty.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I say evolution is a theory base on observable facts. We take these observable facts (like a bunch of sculls) and we base theory on how they got here. The only fact is the sculls themselves, and just because I have a fact doesn’t mean my theory is correct.
I could just as easily see 10 sculls that range from the present to the distant pass and design a theory that ET in an experiment created man and over the course of 10 million years by planting humans on the planet only to kill them all off and plant a better made specimen over and over.
I could say until 10,000 years ago man did not exist and god created man and gave him a soul. All the other sculls were from other manlike sub-species with no souls. Not very plausible until we discovered that there were different humans living in the same time periods and some died off.
I could also say we started as a one cell animal and through natural selection, environment, and radiation we evolved over the last four billion years into modern man.
All three of these are based on the same fact of a group of sculls, and so which one if any is correct?
Evolution and Creationism are still only theories
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Not everything is absolute in religion, but yes there are absolutes just like the flat earth once was and until there is more enlightenment those absolutes/dogma will not change.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
there is nothing more expansive than science, science covers the realm of everything that exists.
Disagreed. Atheism and Evolution-Theory ARE belief-systems because they are based on a set of beliefs and are used to invalidate other beliefs.
If science were so expansive, then you could tell me who you are, where you are from, where you were before, what happened before the big bang. But you cannot...at least not in a way that is conslusive or makes sense to me. Saying "it all originates with the big bang and then a chain of reactions and coincidences" doesnt answer anything for me but only re-locates the questions to another place, space and time.
Furthermore, the way science is being practiced today it is mainly the study of what can be measured and seen with the eyes, rather than the study of everything. That is in no way expansive.
[edit on 13-8-2007 by Skyfloating]
Originally posted by Jesus-Is-Real
In peace, SkyFloating can you apprehend by your mind, because of creation, of what you see (heaven, earth etc), God who created it all?
[edit on 8/13/2007 by Jesus-Is-Real]
Originally posted by Quazga
Originally posted by IamBoon
Did I meantion science... so by your system..... Thor is just as likely to be as fact as me taking a sip out of this coffee sitting here?
Absurd. And actually, science's ability to be changed and altered based on evidence is beautiful and is it's main function that gives it the power to revolutionize and improves our live's as much as it has.
You can point out to the past all u wnat... but as OUR knowledge grew so science changed. Religion doesn't. If you were living back in the time when the world was flat... you might be worshipping Wotan and beieving it was flat. Now you know better so you choose to say "Wow, they were wrong" As if science is trying to hide it... but that is it's beauty.
Actually, the current dali llama is very open to the evolution of religion, and adjusts it to take scientific findings into consideration.
It really sounds as if you are not thinking about this, just reacting out of prejudice against religion in general.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Any system of belief that cannot be proven constitutes a religion
Period.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Yes, period. and once that period is established we go to places beyond belief...literally.