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NAU (what you NEED TO KNOW) and how it is not SPP.GOV

Topic started on 12-8-2007 @ 11:00 PM by cpdaman
North american Union is different than SPP.GOV but share some ideas i thought it was important to write this because i think i came upon a sneaky little trick (or convenient co-incidence) that i almost fell for regarding the so called talks of forming a NORTH AMERICAN UNION I have vistied the SPP.GOV website which is often mentioned in articles which references and often assumes it is the website for the formulation of the North american union or Building of a North American Community. sounds so cozy huh on the (spp.gov) website (apparently there has been a bit of an outrage and negative feedback) regarding what the effects of this SPP.GOV partnership will be. I say this because they have a detailed SPP myth vs. fact section which goes into detail about most of the concerns people have regarding U.S loss of soverignty and currency and rights. Now if i just read this website, it may have eased my suspicions about the formation of the SPP.GOV which many assume is the website reference for the NAU. However SPP.GOV was indeed the mirror website for the IDEAS that are related to the development of a possible agreement called the Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America. This came about from Mexico's President FOX, United states president BUSH, and Canadian Prime Minister Harper. Only problem is this SPP was applauded by the task force of a tri-national politicians and businessmen (and women) who are members of the Council on Foreign Relations as well as the mexican and canadian branches of their own foreign relations groups, but many sources state these groups have been already working on this and they wanted something much more agressive than the SPP the first link is straight from foreign affairs magazine (the magazine based on CFR agendas) www.cfr.org... www.renewamerica.us... The CFR proposes to implement an even more "ambitious" plan for the "new community" than the covert pact agreed on by the "three amigos." the trick is that most would come across the spp.gov site assuming it refers to the north american community idea and then would be misled by the myths and facts section which tries to ease people fears that SPP.gov does not threaten u.s soverignty , rights, or standard of living. Problem is SPP is not what the CFR has developed and almost finished creating, the CFR's baby is much more intrusive to americans. Co-chair of the task force designing the Building of a North American Community John P Manley: "We are asking the leaders of the United States, Mexico, and Canada to be bold and adopt a vision of the future that is bigger than, and beyond, the immediate problems of the present some of these guys continue to exploit the losses we suffered on 9/11 to grab more power and move forward their own elite agenda's and twist these agenda's to the point where they claim they are for our protection, and then throw memories of 9/11 in our faces as reasons we need added protection TODAY what ever chance they get, it is selfish and despicable, no matter what your thoughts of the events that happened that day. this gentlemen in effect criticizes the shortcited ness of the spp.gov and it's limitations Robert a Pastor (member of this task force) testified infront of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee 2 years ago: We should not be concentrating on U.S. interests. We should not be worrying about the borders of Mexico and Canada but think about the broader context of the continent. The best approach is to integrate economically and socially as quickly as we can especially as we draw near "the fourth anniversary of 9/11" Not so good for the ole' economy of america again pastor uses memories of fear and their emotional response which limit critical thought to pursuade and get support for his ideas for out economic intergation! "the long-term effects of September 11 threaten to cripple North American integration." and of course this North american community is the solution, with super highways and free transportation of people's across boarders, as well as biometric ID cards this putz wants to make mexico's economy equal to ours and thinks we have to take bold steps to reach out and help the less developed. Mexico's "underdevelopment" is "a threat to its stability, to its neighbors and to the future of integration." from a Deanna Spingola article (which mods is my second linked source toward top of post) So, says the socialist, a plan must be created to equalize the North American economic community and extend benefits to the "most vulnerable social groups in our countries." pastor also states that " Europe has shown that the economic gap can be narrowed in a short period of time with appropriate policies and aid." LASTLY this is to be implemented BY 2010 one last pastor thought (he feels the current gov't isn't set up to address tri-national challenges that may come up from this alliance so) However, he continued, the addition of a third governing party, a fifteen member North America Advisory Council would settle disputes and increase the chance that the new "North American" regulations would work and resolve any problems. This advisory council would consist of fifteen "distinguished individuals," five from each nation. STOP this mess being formed by the Task force for the Building of a North American Community led by a few members of the CFR, Mexican CFR, and Canadian Council of Chief Executives. [edit on 12-8-2007 by cpdaman] [edit on 12-8-2007 by cpdaman]
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reply posted on 12-8-2007 @ 11:17 PM by Equinox99
Let's say they do form a NAU, what is going to happen if a countries stock market crashes? will that effect the whole organization?
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reply posted on 13-8-2007 @ 03:35 AM by aecreate
Its late cpdaman, but I'd like to commend your work on this thread. The past few weeks I've been harping on about the NAU/SPP to my stepfather, and you've really help turn a stone. Your efforts are appreciated, keep it up. edit-spellin' [edit on 8/13/2007 by aecreate]
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reply posted on 15-8-2007 @ 09:43 AM by quintar
Found this article from a Canadian perspective: Leaked document reveals bulk water exports to be discussed at continental integration talks Ottawa – The leaked document of a prominent Washington-based think tank obtained by the Council of Canadians reveals that government officials and business leaders from Canada, Mexico and the United States are scheduled to discuss bulk water exports in a closed-door meeting at the end of the month as part of a larger discussion on North American integration. Titled the “North American Future 2025 Project,” the initiative being led by the U.S.-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, the Conference Board of Canada and the Mexican Centro de Investigación y Docencia Económicas calls for a series of “closed-door meetings” on North American integration dealing with a number of highly contentious issues including bulk water exports, a joint security perimeter and a continental resource pact. According to the document, a roundtable on the “Future of the North American Environment,” is planned for Friday April 27 in Calgary, and will discuss “water consumption, water transfers and artificial diversions of bulk water” with the aim of achieving “joint optimum utilization of the available water.” Source
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reply posted on 15-8-2007 @ 03:03 PM by Echtelion
cpdamn, you're propagating a preposterous sophism! Either you,re missing the point, or you're intentionally trying to confuse people over what the SPP is. The SPP is unrelated to the NAU just as the is European Economic Community and the Common Foreign and Security Policy are/were to the European Union. No, the SPP is not the "North Amrican Union". The SPP is serving as a structural and political backbone necessary to the coming of a North American Union, that yet doesn't exist but will be ready for approval once the SPP goals are achieved. And the ultimate goal to these political moves are to further the plan for an American Union (that includes Central and Norht America, and eventually parts of South America), through the integration of a parallel and analog plan, the Plan Puebla Panana (PPP), and will it be based on the actual Organization of the American States or not, only time will tell. On the issue of each of the 3 countries losing their political and military sovereignty on their own territory, you can find it stated at many places in the CFR's document "Building a North American Community", especially in that part, on page 26: Make a North American standard the default approach to new regulation. While pursuing an aggressive effort to eliminate existing regulatory differences as quickly as possible, it also is important for regulators to consider the North American dimension as they draft new rules going forward. To this end,the Security and Prosperity Partnership framework should be used to establish a new mechanism to enable greater collaboration and consultation among the three countries at all levels of government as new rules are developed and adopted. Each jurisdiction would retain the sovereign right to shape rules within its borders, but in principle, country-specific regulations should only be adopted when no international or North American approach already exists, where there are unique national circumstances or priorities, or where there is a well-founded lack of trust in the regulatory practices of the other partners. The new trinational mechanism also should be charged with identifying joint means of ensuring consistent enforcement of new rules as they are developed. In other words, national governments will no longer have the power to decide or interfere in all issues or areas under that "North American Community"'s responsibility, while the trinational body will give itself the power to decide and enforce its rule on each country's territory. That means financial contracts, lands purchased and military/police operations made within the framework of this trinational body will be ABOVE any national or regional control! There is also reference in the SPP about the joint command of all US/Canadian/Mexican military troops and Police as well, aside from a full sharing of any confidential information related to terrorist, criminal or felonious activity of citizens (no matter how hypothetical). This is nothing else than legalized imperialistic INVASION. If there is a New World Order to take shape here on this continent, this is it! We really don't give a flying f*** about all the PR garbage that is written on both the spp.gov and psp-spp.gc.ca websites, as they are originating from the same parties directly involved in the SPP itself, namely the neocon administrations of USA and Canada. How hard do you believe that these people long for non-partisanship and the veracity of the information they make public??? This is naive, to the least.
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reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 08:31 PM by projectvxn
www.spp.gov... Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP): Myth vs. Fact Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005. Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed. Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency. Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers. Myth: The SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the U.S. Congress. Fact: U.S. agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans. Myth: The SPP infringes on the sovereignty of the United States. Fact: The SPP respects and leaves the unique cultural and legal framework of each of the three countries intact. Nothing in the SPP undermines the U.S. Constitution. In no way does the SPP infringe upon the sovereignty of the United States. Myth: The SPP is illegal and violates the Constitution. Fact: The SPP is legal and in no way violates the Constitution or affects the legal authorities of the participating executive agencies. Indeed, the SPP is an opportunity for the governments of the United States, Canada, and Mexico to discuss common goals and identify ways to enhance each nation’s security and prosperity. If an action is identified, U.S. federal agencies can only operate within U.S. law to address these issues. The Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security coordinate the efforts of the agencies responsible for the various initiatives under the prosperity and security pillars of the SPP. If an agency were to decide a regulatory change is desirable through the cooperative efforts of SPP, that agency is required to conform to all existing U.S. laws and administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment. Myth: The U.S section of the SPP is headed by the Department of Commerce. Fact: The SPP is a White House-driven initiative. In the United States, the Department of Commerce coordinates the ‘Prosperity’ component, while the Department of Homeland Security coordinates the ‘Security’ component. The Department of State ensures the two components are coordinated and are consistent with U.S. foreign policy. Myth: The U.S. Government, working though the SPP, has a secret plan to build a "NAFTA Super Highway." Fact: The U.S. government is not planning a NAFTA Super Highway. The U.S. government does not have the authority to designate any highway as a NAFTA Super Highway, nor has it sought such authority, nor is it planning to seek such authority. There are private and state level interests planning highway projects which they themselves describe as "NAFTA Corridors," but these are not Federally-driven initiatives, and they are not a part of the SPP. Myth: The U.S. Government, through the Department of Transportation, is funding secretive highway projects to become part of a “NAFTA Super Highway”. Fact: Many States in the American Midwest are proposing or undertaking highway projects to improve or build roads as Federal-aid and State or private sector revenue becomes available. All projects involving Federal-aid funds or approvals are subject to normal Federal-aid requirements, such as review under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), including public involvement. This public involvement, the common thread among all these activities, makes them anything but “secret.” In addition, Congress directs Department of Transportation funding for specific highway projects. The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) will continue to cooperate with the State transportation departments as they build and upgrade highways to meet the needs of the 21st century. Rather than evidence of a secret plan to create a NAFTA Super Highway that would undermine our national sovereignty, the FHWA’s efforts are a routine part of cooperation with all the State transportation departments to improve the Nation’s highways. Myth: U.S. Government officials sponsored a secret SPP planning meeting in Banff, Alberta in September 2006. Fact: The U.S. Government did not sponsor the meeting in Banff. The North American Forum, a private initiative that is separate from the U.S. Government, hosted the September 12-14, 2006 conference “Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment.” Academics, businesspersons, private citizens, and government officials from the U.S., Mexican, and Canadian governments attended the conference. The North American Forum is not a product of the SPP. Myth: The SPP will cost U.S. taxpayers money. Fact: The SPP is being implemented with existing budget resources. Over the long-term, it will save U.S. taxpayers money by cutting through costly red tape and reducing redundant paperwork. This initiative will benefit the taxpayers through economic gain and increased security, thereby enhancing the competitiveness and quality of life in our countries. Myth: The working groups and SPP documents are a secret and not available to the public. Fact: The SPP’s initiatives and milestones with timelines can be found by clicking the Report to Leaders link at www.spp.gov. The Web site contains a section to enable interested persons to provide input directly to the various working groups. Myth: The SPP seeks to lower U.S. standards through a regulatory cooperation framework. Fact: The framework will support and enhance cooperation and encourage the compatibility of regulations among the three partners while maintaining high standards of health and safety. Any regulatory changes will require agencies to conform to all U.S. administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment. Enhanced cooperation in this area will provide consumers with more affordable, safer, and more diversified and innovative products. Myth: The SPP is meant to deal with immigration reform and trade disputes. Fact: Immigration reform is a legislative matter currently being debated in Congress and is not being dealt with in the SPP. Likewise, trade disputes between the United States, Canada, and Mexico are resolved in the NAFTA and WTO mechanisms and not the SPP. Myth: The SPP will result in the loss of American jobs. Fact: The SPP seeks to create jobs by reducing transaction costs and unnecessary burdens for U.S. companies, which will bolster the competitiveness of our firms globally. These efforts will help U.S. manufacturers, spur job creation, and benefit consumers. Myth: The SPP will harm our quality of life. Fact: The SPP improves the safety and well-being of Americans. It builds on efforts to protect our environment, improves our ability to combat infectious diseases, such as avian influenza, and ensures our food supply is safe through the exchange of information and cooperation ─ improving the quality of life for U.S. citizens. Americans enjoy world class living standards because we are engaged with the world. Myth: The SPP creates a NAFTA-plus legal status between the three countries. Fact: The SPP does not seek to rewrite or renegotiate NAFTA. It creates no NAFTA-plus legal status. My favorite part is where it says nothing was ever signed. We know better thought. Liars. [edit on 1-4-2008 by projectvxn]
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reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 12:57 PM by cpdaman
Echtelion i think we are on the same page. don't take the wrong message from the thread name, ( i can surely see how this could happen) they are very much related, and i was not meaning to infer anything but this. What i was attempting to convey was to the crowd who may let their guard down by going to the Spp.gov website and reading their facts and myths section and saying to themselves: see this isn't so bad. the reason being that the spp.gov is not the mirror image of the NAU, the Nau is more like a "evil child birthed from the spp.gov" the NAU is much bolder and threatening to our freedoms and soverignty. The NAU appears to be built upon the general ideas behind the spp.gov, but much more intrusive. anyway this would be a big step toward lowering the standard of living in america, IMO. [edit on 2-4-2008 by cpdaman]
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reply posted on 3-4-2008 @ 01:58 PM by upaguru2k8
reply to post by cpdaman the SPP may NOT be the NAU but it is too close for comfort. the fact that there are foreign officials participating in the development of US administrative law is an abomination. the is NO Constitutional basis for this. how can it be justified? Surely you are aware that the CFR is another of the groups which are promoting the NWO. The parallels that you stated in the CFR plan for the North American Union and the SPP are too close to be ignored. No American can, in good conscience, back the SPP. Those who do are either ignorant of its implications or count themselves in the numbers of the subversives who are seeking to destroy the Constitution.
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