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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
That is the privilege of being an American. Many brave men have died to give us those freedoms, allowing a deluge of people to overpopulate this nation will only cause a decline in the standard of living for all of us.


First off, overpopulation is a mute point IMO. Check out this link concerning the world population World Population in Texas. Second, many brave men who were not apart of this country died for it as well. Check all the wars, and there was assistance provided by other countries that allowed US victory.




posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
That is the privilege of being an American. Many brave men have died to give us those freedoms, allowing a deluge of people to overpopulate this nation will only cause a decline in the standard of living for all of us.


First off, overpopulation is a mute point IMO. Check out this link concerning the world population World Population in Texas. Second, many brave men who were not apart of this country died for it as well. Check all the wars, and there was assistance provided by other countries that allowed US victory.


I would suggest you read this series of articles for a more fact based point of view.

Would you like to see us end up like Bangladesh, where they are roughly the same size as the state of Illinois yet have a population of 145 million people?

Yea, thats a great standard of living there.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:20 PM
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And which of those 20+ articles are you refering to? I will not waste my time sifting through dozens of articles to formulate your argument for you.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis
And which of those 20+ articles are you refering to? I will not waste my time sifting through dozens of articles to formulate your argument for you.


All of them are pertinent to the topic at hand. This population of this country is estimated to hit 400 million by the year 2050. That is a 100 million person increase in under 50 years. The infrastructure cannot handle an immigrant influx of that magnitude.


Life isn't fair, some people get dealt a bad hand. It is not our obligation to fix that.

Would you like me to post a Coast to Coast AM interview with the author of those articles? He sums it up quite nicely, and since you don't feel like reading, it might make it easier for you to grasp the idea.

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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:26 PM
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Why shouldn't it be our problem? If your family was in need, you would consider it your problem right? You might even extend that to your neighbors or someone at your church. But the second its a human across a national border the attitude is screw them.

They can't help being born a non-american anymore than you can help being born an american. Circumstances are outside of everyone's control. If I thought for one second I would better my life and my family's by moving to some other country I would find a way, regardless of the immigration laws in place. If I could do it legally, great, better chance of it working, but I would resort to illegal immigration if I had to.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Would you like me to post a Coast to Coast AM interview with the author of those articles? He sums it up quite nicely, and since you don't feel like reading, it might make it easier for you to grasp the idea.

[edit on 13-8-2007 by slackerwire]



I do not mind reading, but I wont read a novel to try and figure out someone else's point of view. Posting a link with 20 articles is a turn off when you could do what you just did and offer a summary or a more concise overview of the information.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:29 PM
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there has been a steady influx of new immigrants for some time and our economy had actually grown in that time(look at the last fifty year span). We are better off than before. Their work has directly benefitted us, not to mention all the cultural investment they are responsible for. they have made us a more diverse more complete nation. The econimic contribution that hispanics consumers alone represent is no slight of hand. coupled with all imigrants economic contributions we have to admit, what they spend here in terms of rent, gas, food, phone, electric, yes even taxes illegally with no return, and over all living expence vastly out ways any possible social redistribution of wealth to their hands, or that of monies sent to their country. To say different IS a slight of hand. Millions of people working spending money here, and contributing to our societies over all betterment is not a bad thing. It should'nt even be an issue of ownership, or soveriegnty. The problem is that our government wants us to focus on this as an issue of secutiry when it is in fact a diversion from other factors effecting the reason for their need to come here. Our efforts of global destabilization are what is having such an adverse effect on global emloyment rates. Our underming of foreign countries infastructure through CIA and other agents of foreign influence are what is setting the presidnet for global migration. Starting civil wars and placing corrupt individuals to power in foreign countries ensures their perpetual reliance on Non-third world countries, and their over all poor government that is innefective to solve their problems in their native lands. If we want to keep them on their side america should step down from the global scene and leave the majority of weight to those countries that are willing to empower us evenly across the world. If not we can expect another war from this for our comming generations. That is a dark future when compared to the relative peace we could enjoy. can we expect an act of agression for every generation? This is what this is all leading to. Lets just learn to share.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis
Why shouldn't it be our problem? If your family was in need, you would consider it your problem right? You might even extend that to your neighbors or someone at your church. But the second its a human across a national border the attitude is screw them.

They can't help being born a non-american anymore than you can help being born an american. Circumstances are outside of everyone's control. If I thought for one second I would better my life and my family's by moving to some other country I would find a way, regardless of the immigration laws in place. If I could do it legally, great, better chance of it working, but I would resort to illegal immigration if I had to.


how much help would you be to your family if you chose to break the laws and ended up in prison or being constantly deported?

Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is the not planets police or welfare agency.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
Would you like me to post a Coast to Coast AM interview with the author of those articles? He sums it up quite nicely, and since you don't feel like reading, it might make it easier for you to grasp the idea.

[edit on 13-8-2007 by slackerwire]



I do not mind reading, but I wont read a novel to try and figure out someone else's point of view. Posting a link with 20 articles is a turn off when you could do what you just did and offer a summary or a more concise overview of the information.


Each article is connected to the previous one. The author has done extensive research and shows the dangers of overpopulation in each given area (infrastructure, economics, etc etc).

A flood of 3rd world immigrants has never been nor will it ever be beneficial to the host nation.

When 1 in 10 people of any foreign country resides within the U.S., it is a problem.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is the not planets police or welfare agency.


I am not arguing it is America's responsiblity alone. I am saying it is HUMANITY's responsibility. America should not be the only country helping other by allowing them to migrate into their lands. Every country should open their borders.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
Contrary to popular belief, the U.S. is the not planets police or welfare agency.


I am not arguing it is America's responsiblity alone. I am saying it is HUMANITY's responsibility. America should not be the only country helping other by allowing them to migrate into their lands. Every country should open their borders.


We live in reality, and that scenario would only occur in fantasy land.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
We live in reality, and that scenario would only occur in fantasy land.


Well according to some a NAU (North American Union) is well on its way. Then anyone in North America could travel/live where they pleased.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
We live in reality, and that scenario would only occur in fantasy land.


Well according to some a NAU (North American Union) is well on its way. Then anyone in North America could travel/live where they pleased.


And that is definitely not a good thing.

We would be forced to subsidize mexicos corrupt political system as well as its 3rd world living standards.

Do you want to pay more taxes for that?



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
And that is definitely not a good thing.

We would be forced to subsidize mexicos corrupt political system as well as its 3rd world living standards.

Do you want to pay more taxes for that?


No, paying more taxes is not what I had in mind. Making better use of the taxes the government already gets seems like a better idea. The burden wouldn't entirely be on America or any country. Those illegals would be citizens and pay NAU taxes. The taxes from what used to be three countries would be used to make improvements in all its citizens. But that is an entirely different topic altogether.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
And that is definitely not a good thing.

We would be forced to subsidize mexicos corrupt political system as well as its 3rd world living standards.

Do you want to pay more taxes for that?


No, paying more taxes is not what I had in mind. Making better use of the taxes the government already gets seems like a better idea. The burden wouldn't entirely be on America or any country. Those illegals would be citizens and pay NAU taxes. The taxes from what used to be three countries would be used to make improvements in all its citizens. But that is an entirely different topic altogether.


You are absolutely right. That topic is called socialism and is prohibited by our Constitution.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 01:02 PM
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Actually if this happened then the free enterprise model used here would probably be incorperated there, of public subsidy for private profit. they might have to pay more taxes for our countless inefficient wars and economic safety net for Big bussiness ,security , as well as pay some of the off set of the federal budget. That is free enterprise, and is the model applied to all territories and spheres of economic influence. Who ever this applies to should expect no less.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
You are absolutely right. That topic is called socialism and is prohibited by our Constitution.


Please explain how what I said was socialism? What I stated was exactly what happens here in the US, people pay taxes and the government uses money to run country except on a larger scale under the NAU. That in NO way implies socialism.

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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 01:07 PM
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I am arguing it should NOT be illegal for them to come here. Borders are just a legal excuse for discrimination
Translation= Look over here!




They can't help being born a non-american anymore than you can help being born an american.
Translation= Look over there!




I am saying it is HUMANITY's responsibility.
Translation= No wait look over here again!


LOOK HERE--->ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A CRIME! Thus the term illegal.
Everything else is just whining and crying and excuses and diversions.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by ninthaxis

Originally posted by slackerwire
You are absolutely right. That topic is called socialism and is prohibited by our Constitution.


Please explain how what I said was socialism? What I stated was exactly what happens here in the US, people pay taxes and the government uses money to run country except on a larger scale under the NAU. That in NO way implies socialism.

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[edit on 13-8-2007 by ninthaxis]

[edit on 13-8-2007 by ninthaxis]


Our Constitution specifically states what our extorted tax dollars may be used for. I am not saying this act of socialism is something new. It has been happening for quite some time, but a merger with a 3rd world nation and a socialist leaning nation will only result in more unconstitutional expenditures of our money.

Letting more people in who cannot support themselves will result in more income redistribution, which I'm sure you know is one of the very basic tents of socialism.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Digital_Reality



I am arguing it should NOT be illegal for them to come here. Borders are just a legal excuse for discrimination
Translation= Look over here!




They can't help being born a non-american anymore than you can help being born an american.
Translation= Look over there!




I am saying it is HUMANITY's responsibility.
Translation= No wait look over here again!


LOOK HERE--->ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A CRIME! Thus the term illegal.
Everything else is just whining and crying and excuses and diversions.


And you're little post meant what? That my points aren't valid? That opening the borders should not and cannot be discussed? I am not employing fallacies to win some juvenile argument. I have stated there are illegal immigrants. I believe it should not be illegal. Care to add to the discussion or just want to keep insulting people here?



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