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Mexico Accused Of Framing Border Agent

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posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 09:57 AM
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Mexico Accused Of Framing Border Agent


www.worldnetdaily.com

Mexico is withholding key witnesses that could exonerate Border Patrol agent Nicholas Corbett of second-degree murder charges and paying for others to testify against him, asserts a union leader.

Brandon Judd, vice president of U.S. Border Patrol Union Local 2544, told WND the Mexican consulate is taking care of all the expenses of three Mexican witnesses to the shooting so they can remain in the U.S. to testify against Corbett.

(visit the link for the full news article)


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posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 09:57 AM
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For the naysayer's and those that refuse to believe what WND says, see the first supporting link, which is a live interview from the Glen Beck Show in two, parts that verifies virtually all of what The WND said.

I do not know about others but this frankly disgusts me big time seeing our government allow Mexico to frame our Border Patrol Agents.


www.worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 11:39 AM
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If someone did not pay for these witnesses to stay and testify the Border Patrol killers would have free reign to murder at will. How many Border Patrol agents have been convicted of serious crimes lately? Many, and because they see themselves as cowbuy shoot 'em up types and not professional law enforcers.

The Border Patrol is NOT supposed to shoot their guns unless they are being fired upon or otherwise being DIRECTLY threatened with a life ending dliemma; in most cases the Agents get winded from chasing some poor slob across the desert and just as they are about to slip back in to Mexico, the agents decide to kill the fleeing, unarmed , people just so they do not ' get away ' and make the agents chase futile.

Mexicans are HUMAN beings, not rattlesnakes, and must not be slaughtered just because the Border guards decide that they are bored and need some action. It gets tedious dealing with all of those illegals all day long: most are quiet, cooperative and not agressive at all. Some Border guards are just not suited to the job and we see the results: unnecessary killings ( murder ), shootings, etc. that are basically frustration on the part of the cops.

Crossing the border illegally does NOT deserve a death sentence; let them go back if they want to, but do not make such a big deal out of catching every one. Don't you people get it? The Bush cabal WANTS the border open and flowing with illegals; the cheap labor they give is needed by the corporate bosses who will never pay decent wages so the border is a joke. The Border Patrol is suposed to make token efforts to slow down the flood and not make waves for the big shots who profit from this madness; when they get out of control and decide that the game is real instead of a set up, then we have trouble such as we see here.

If you want secure borders, for real, you set up minefields and snipers and soon yopui have no more daring crossings into this nation; but we will NEVER defend our borders because it is all a scam by the powers that be to influence new' programs ' such as internment camps for illegals, next it will be ' supporters of the illegals, and then US, who are not total slaves to the system.

I say if the Border guards violate the law, why should they be any different? What makes them so special? And if the witnesses to a criminal trial are not supported by the Prosecution, who SHOULD pay the price for witnesses needed to convict, then the Mexican Embassy is doing the right thing. Why should ANY humans fear death for changing their physical location on this planet? Why should anyone be gunned down or asaulted because they crossed a line? Maybe in the worst nations on earth, but not us.

Cops of all types usually just love to unstrap their holsters and draw their weapons and shoot them; it gives them a thrill. Imagine practicing all your life for something that never comes; it is very unsatisfying. Studies prove that most cops will use dealy force long before it is called for; eliminating ALL risk of harm to them is their creed, and anyone who doubts this is naieve to the max. Many cops are mentally and emotionally incapable of restraining themselves when the chance to shoot or hurt is presented. They ignore the law and kill and maim and then try to cover it up. I hope that every Boprder Patrol guard that breaks the law and their own regulations should be thrown into a Federal prison with a high Latino population: Let them try to explain to the people in there why they were justified in killing and maiming without cause.

And that UNION idiot makes me laugh!! The Unions ALWAYS, without exception, support the killer cops, always. It does not matter if the guards break the law, the union says it was OK! If the guards kill yet another UNARMED and FLEEING human being, the union says that the dead people deserve it for daring to disobey an order from the high and mighty guards..sickening. If a Border Patrol guard raped and slaughtered a family asleep at the border, the union would say that there was a good reason for it; maybe the guard was driven crazy by all of the women and kids he sees dying of thirst and being herded into hot stinking vans to be driven back to Mexico to start all over again. Who knows? but one thing is for sure, the unions NEVER, not once, find any fault with ANY actions that ANY guard committes.

If someone starts a shoot out with a guard then they deserve what they get; if the guards shoot someone without cause, they deserve the same fate. The VAST majority of people trying to get in this country are peaceful and unarmed and looking for work, not criminals. The Border Patrol should not be shooting and abusing people in some mad desire to keep every Mexican on one side of a line. If the scum in Washington wanted effective border control, we would have had it ages ago. But that is NOT what they want. In the meantime, let the Border guards know that they are not above the law and they have to follow rules like everyone else or face the consequences.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
If someone did not pay for these witnesses to stay and testify the Border Patrol killers would have free reign to murder at will.


What about the witnesseses they are hiding because they fear their testimony would clear the Border patrol agent who has been charged with the false claim shouldn't they testistify also? Kind of unfair to put forth only the ones who can convict and hide those that can clear him in most peoples book I am sure.



Mexico is withholding key witnesses that could exonerate Border Patrol agent Nicholas Corbett of second-degree murder charges and paying for others to testify against him, asserts a union leader.
Source


Pay special attetion to these parts


Judd said the two brothers and the girlfriend all testified Corbett was pointing a gun at them while he was driving, "yet the three aliens who were in the back of the van said they never saw Corbett holding a gun."

and


"But the probable cause statement picks up the coroner's conclusion that there was no dirt on the hands or under the fingernails of the deceased. Yet what is left out is that the deceased was wearing glovesat the time of the incident, and this is very clear from the surveillance camera photos that exist of the incident."


Imagine that he was wearing gloves and they have it on tape


All external sources are in the source article given above

Editied to clear up an error on my part.



[edit on 8/11/2007 by shots]



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 02:59 PM
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These people shouldn't be allowed to testify since they are biased, paid for, and witnesses with exculpatory evidence are being prevented from testifying.

I don't understand why this is being tried by the state anyway, shouldn't a federal officer in the line of duty be subject to only federal prosecution for any alleged wrongdoing?

[edit on 8/11/2007 by djohnsto77]



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77


I don't understand why this is being tried by the state anyway, shouldn't a federal officer in the line of duty be subject to only federal prosecution for any alleged wrongdoing?



I would assume the Feds have no jurisdiction because it is not a federal crime to kill an illegal it is considered a state crime. realy sucks if you ask me, since they are violating federal laws when they enter illegally.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by shots
I would assume the Feds have no jurisdiction because it is not a federal crime to kill an illegal it is considered a state crime. realy sucks if you ask me, since they are violating federal laws when they enter illegally.


If he was just doing his job as a federal agent, then the state shouldn't be able to prosecute him since federal authority always trumps state law.

Those border patrolmen that were prosecuted for shooting that illegal in the butt were tried by the feds.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 04:39 PM
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Give us a break. A slanted ' media ' source says that the union claims tghat Blah, blah.. If the Prosecutors thought that the others had relevant statements to make, then they would have them there; or the atorneys for the defendantsa would.

WHO says that they are hiding witnesses? Nonsense!! They are claiming that because there are NO witnesses that can exonerate the cop. Do you have more knowledge about this case than the coroner? Even if the guy had gloves on, the coroner would know about it and take it into account. The defense attorneys would not let that just slip away..you are so naieve.

It is easy to claim that you have great witnesses..but proving it is another thing. How can you get people to testify if they do not want to? Get a subpoena, thats how!! If the defense attorneys had enough reason to believe that there were exculpatory witnesses they could get the Judge to order their appearance.

Where is the PROOF that Mewxico is hiding anyone? Only the words of a UNION rep. who will make any excuse for murdering cops. Thats his job: To cover up and protect cops nop matter what they do.

Sorry, but there is NO proof whatsoever that Mexico is doing anything wrong. the right wing news sources always make me laugh as they word their stories so that it seems that there is something there, but when you get to the bottomn of it all, there is usually zilch evidence to see.

Some p[eople love cops to get away with anything...until the day when the jackbots break down their door and kill their family. But then its too late. Fry the pig murderer!!



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 04:47 PM
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This isn't the first time that The Mexican government has taken an active role in matters like this. Perhaps some of you may remember that horrendous murder of Enrique Camarena, a US DEA Agent.

'Kiki', as he was called, was tortured to death by a Mexican drug lord. They used a Mexican Doctor to resuscitate him several times, restarting his heart, so that they could torture him again and again until they were no longer able to resuscitate him. The Mexican Government refused to hand over evidence they had pointing to the guilty parties. They protested the eventual arrest of the Dr involved. It was not until the US decided to close the border to Mexico that the Mexican government finally gave a minor amount of assistance in this case. It is well established that Mexican Government officials were on the take and protecting the Drug Lord involved. The Killers taped more than nine hours of the torture and the DEA has a copy and when the drug lord was finally captured while hiding in Costa Rica, he had 28 Mexican Policemen with him and on his payroll.
The death of a DEA agent
Now they see an opportunity to discredit a border patrol agent and are actively involved in providing one sided evidence. They wish to discredit the border patrol and to loosen border restrictions as they know that their economy is heavily reliant on illegal immigration into the US.

I am all for legal immigration, but illegal immigration is a crime and should be treated as such. When the Mexican government supports illegal immigration, they should be held accountable. This current situation should be treated as a significant international incident.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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Let's summarize what is happening here:

US Border Patrol Agent shoots and kills an illegal alien in self defense.
He is initially charged with First Degree Murder, but the judge throws out that charge.
Overzealous prosecutors then pursue Second Degree Murder charges against him.
There are 4 witnesses set to testify against the Agent.
The 4 witnesses have major discrepancies in their individual statements.
Exculpatory evidence is withheld.
Witnesses that support the Agent are kept from testifying by a foreign country.
A foreign country wields undue influence in this case.

That about sums it up. Did I miss any key points?



Originally posted by eyewitness86
If someone did not pay for these witnesses to stay and testify the Border Patrol killers would have free reign to murder at will. How many Border Patrol agents have been convicted of serious crimes lately? Many, and because they see themselves as cowbuy shoot 'em up types and not professional law enforcers.

Please don't make accusations without support. Answer your own question:

How many Border Patrol agents have been convicted of serious crimes lately?

I'm only into the first paragraph of your response, and it is already evident that you are anti-Border Patrol with a poor attitude and a lack of knowledge of what their job entails and the facts of this case.




Originally posted by eyewitness86
The Border Patrol is NOT supposed to shoot their guns unless they are being fired upon or otherwise being DIRECTLY threatened with a life ending dliemma; in most cases the Agents get winded from chasing some poor slob across the desert and just as they are about to slip back in to Mexico, the agents decide to kill the fleeing, unarmed , people just so they do not ' get away ' and make the agents chase futile.

And you know this to be fact how? Or is it just more anti-law enforcement rhetoric being spouted?



Originally posted by eyewitness86
Crossing the border illegally does NOT deserve a death sentence;

Neither does breaking into someone's house and stealing their silverware, but those are the chances you take when you have a wanton disregard for laws and decide to break them at will.



Originally posted by eyewitness86
Why should anyone be gunned down or asaulted because they crossed a line? Maybe in the worst nations on earth, but not us.

More sensationalistic rhetoric from you. The Border Patrol Agent was threatened and he reacted appropriately.

And while you are feeling so kumbaya with the gov't of Mexico, do some research on how open they keep their own southern border.

The rest of your post is just more of the same sickening anti-American, anti-law enforcement garbage that is routinely posted by US-haters. Grow up.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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Oh, and I forgot: The big evidence that they have? Here it is: Some Mexicans riding in the BACK of a locked van could not see the scene up front and could not see the gun that the cop was holding on the people, and the UNION guy who makes all these claims says that this means something!! It means NOTHING!! The people in the back COULD NOT see the front and so were useless witnesses. THAT is why they were released and were told to go home. Mexico is NOT hiding them, they were let go because they said they could not see up front!! Amazing how that can turn into witnesses for the cop; only in a union bosses eyes.

Shoot a man because he picks up a little rock; sorry coward cop. There is NO way anyone is going to committ suicide by cop by picking up a rock and using it to really do any damage. The cop saw his excuse to kill and with glee in his heart, pulled the trigger, knowing that later he could say that the mean old Mexican scared him with a little rock and he feared for his life and so HAD to gun down a defensless man..sick.

These cops will get the treatment they deserve when they get to prison; there are special ways that the cons treat pigs. Maybe that will make the rest stop and think.

As to why this is in State court, the Feds only usually charge for civil rights violations and such; this case will be decided locally but the cops could be prosecuted by the Feds also. they wont due to the stink all of the weak minded bleeding hearts made about the last time a killer pig murdered an innocent Mexican and they had to go to prison. The Repugs love cops no matter how many they kill; it is a sick thing but some people actually like cops. Birds of a feather I suppose; killers, liars, perjueres..cops and such and their groupies.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
Oh, and I forgot: The big evidence that they have? Here it is: Some Mexicans riding in the BACK of a locked van could not see the scene up front and could not see the gun that the cop was holding on the people, and the UNION guy who makes all these claims says that this means something!!


It would appear you are not paying attention to the source article. Here is the portion you MISREAD or left out?????


"These three witnessed the shooting from the back of Corbett's Border Patrol van, and they could see clearly exactly what Corbett was doing." Source

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



[edit on 8/11/2007 by shots]



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 06:46 AM
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Duh..the UNION guy is the one quoted!! WHy do you make it sound like that is some truth? It is NOT a truth, it is a guess on the part of the UNION rep, thats all. He could have said anything and the source would have faithfully repeated it over and over until some people assume that the UNION rep. had the inside story but the defense and prosecutors do not?

You quote this guy as if he has some knowledge of the event; all he knows is what the murdering cop says!! Nothing more. Simply because it was printed in a far right wing rag does NOT give the UNION rep.'s comments any validity whatsoever. HE was NOT in the back of the van; and he has no idea what the defense and prosecutors have up their sleeves, so he is GUESSING.

If the people in the back of the van had seen anything worthy of noting, you can bet that they would have been heard in Court. Either side could call them. But they cannot help the cop or the Pros. so they were excused. Big deal. This killer cop needs to get stopped before he murders again. Giving some scum a badge does not make them right or moral, just armed and dangerous.

As for the filthy DEA agent that was killed while spying in a foreign land, Mexico, where the Government had no idea he was operating ( illegally ) to entrap Mexican citizens in the same old tired DEA games. Guess what? Those dirty DEA scum murder many people a year and are the most vile and lawbreaking bunch of criminal hooligans that we have in this nation.

I shed NO tears when the other side evens things up a bit; do you expect that the DEA facsists will be the only ones to use force? The DEA is a corrupt and politically motivated agency and their sole mission is to support the failed Drug War so that the vast trillions of dollars that the black bag boys need can flow smoothly; there is NO justice involved. These same filthy DEA scum will abuse and assault and demean the sick and dying who need medical cannabis while laughing and making sick jokes. these are your HERO's??

The DEA is a symptom of a sick society and a corrupt mentality among Americans; to tolerate them is a sign of a weak and demeaned society at all levels. Prohibition is the cause of ALL of the ills we hear about re: drugs, and that is a fact. No prohibition, no problems. The DEA is the enforcers for the drug gangs that are run out of Washington , DC. to enrich the intelligence services and to enrich themselves.

Any of you weeping Mary's ever read the stories about the DEA agents who found out just how screwed up things are? Just Google ' coc aine and DEA and Contra and read a bunch. Every time the DEA agents would get near a really big dealer ( like Ollie North ) the politicians would shut it down to protect the drug runners. So the DEA are no more than selectiove hit men to keep rival drug gangs under control so the BUSH family narcotics riches will keep on coming.

Read, study and learn. Shed no tears for these vicious scumbag killers like the DEA agents..they have blood on their hands that will never wash off. There is NO need for ANY drug agents in this nation; only legalization. but that will not happen because of the massive profits that are generated by the drug war for the big shots. Crooked one and all.



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by eyewitness86
Duh..the UNION guy is the one quoted!! WHy do you make it sound like that is some truth? It is NOT a truth, it is a guess on the part of the UNION rep, thats all.


I said it like he was telling the truth because I have seen the video on the Glen Beck Show from this week twice in fact and the video backs up exactly what the union said. Do yourself a favor and deny your own ignorance by watching the videos.


Nothing more. Simply because it was printed in a far right wing rag does NOT give the UNION rep.'s comments any validity whatsoever.


A video is not a printed rag it is on film. You better stop and take that Chip off your shoulder it must be real heavy based on your comments.

As for your assercertion they can make them appear in court that theory has holes in it big time since not all countries have legislation that allows a subpoena issued by a court in one country to be served in the other country, Even then you have to find the individual in order to serve them the summons and that is hard to do if they are in hiding.



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 10:50 AM
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The language and tone used by "eyewitness" is enough to discredit them.

They talk about things being biased and slanted, however, you can read their comments and realize pretty quickly that they are doing a bit of self description.

The one thing eyewitness did get right is the fact that the gubment doesn't want the illegals stopped. And THAT is exactly why this border patrol agent is on trial right now.

eyewitness, do as you were told and deny your ignorance.

Jasn

EDIT: Using "duh..." to start a sentence is a sure way to discredit yourself in the blink of an eye. If you have a point to prove (more like an agenda), try using some half way decent rhetoric. You may actually be taken seriously.

[edit on 12-8-2007 by SimiusDei]



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 11:36 AM
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Eyewitness, your without a doubt a criminal or ex con, and I'm sure provide nothing to society except utter BS when you talk....and im sure a real piece of ****, (and no, i really won't lose any sleep getting booted off ATS for saying so) ...it amazes me how in ALL of your posts you wanna fry law enforcement, always stereotyping EVERY officer saying their this and that and deserve the worst....its amazing to me how a criminal who kills, or murders their own child, rapes others, breaks laws daily should ALWAYS be treated fairly, or the cops have to not step on their civil rights according to you....but just then a COP, or SHERIFF, or AGENT is accused and BOOM...fry him!

Have you ever saved a child from a buring building?
Have you ever saved an abused wife from her husband?
Have you ever saved a suicide victim from killing themselves?
Have you ever sat for hours listening to victims tell how they were raped or abused then helped them by locking up the scum who did it?
Have you ever put yourself in a situation where you may lose your life to save someone you don't know?
Have you ever done anything besides bitch, piss, and moan about the people brave enough to want to do all the above things without hesitation?

Face it, you don't have what it takes to protect anything, or to help anyone. Your only strenght is to jawjack on the internet. That is it!

Mexico is a wasteland, if anything we should pull out of Iraq, roll right through Mexico and take it over, and make it part of the US. They wanna be over here so bad, lets not dissapoint...lets give them what they want. But guess what, now there will be nowhere to run and hide when things don't go your way.

I'll never understand people when they fly their nations flag with pride WHILE living/working in the USA....to me that tells me your a complete idiot. If your so proud of your HOME country and roots, why would you leave it to come here? You were so proud to be Mexican, Puerto Rican, etc...and you fly that flag high...yet you won't live in that country..you won't go make a difference there, you won't go protest there, let alone work and live there.....WTF!!!!

[edit on 12/8/07 by shadow_soldier1975]



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 11:58 AM
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I am an american. Born here, raised here, the 9.

I am also a spaniard, which I can not deny since my entire blood line comes from there. I fly the spanish flag with the same pride as the american, why? because both are my flags. I am not an idiot, this country was founded by IMAGRANTS! The only people that have a RIGHT to be here are native americans. Every one else immagrated here from europe and the like. Mexicans are native americans. If you are screaming and hollerig about your HOMELAND, then find out what you heritage is and go back there, if not stop justifying the mistreatment of human beings, that makes you an ANIMAL. The world does not belong to anyone short of the entire world. As far as invading mexico like some one said, are you joking, I dont think you were. You seem to forget that war kils people. If you are aware of that and seem to think that the death of innocent people somehow helps the world then you are the biggest animal present. Go grab a spear and a M16 and kill everyone you psycho. There is nothing noble about you. You are a sypathetic murderer



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 12:07 PM
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Let's Keep This Civil

I realize this is an emotional issue, but let's please try to avoid turning disagreement into an exchange of finger-pointing and personal attacks.

That's already going on, but it's not too late to repent.

Please stay on topic, and the topic is not what we think of one another.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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Theres nothing innocent about violating the sovereignty of another nation. We have a right to protect our borders, the same as everyone else. A border is what defines a nation's existence, without it you have no nation.

War kills people? What about the THOUSANDS of innocent Americans that have been killed, raped, robbed, etc by these illegal immigrants? What are they chop liver or something? Just last week 4 innocent kids in Newark, NJ were lined up against the wall and brutally executed for no reason by an illegal immigrant. Oh yeah, hes doing the work Americans wont do ...



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 12:12 PM
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I appologize, I will keep my thoughts to myself if they are not relivant to the argument. We should take this advice given and not make it a stale conversation.


cheers!



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