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reply posted on 11-8-2007 @ 01:46 PM by Project_Silo
Originally posted by infinityoreilly
Originally posted by Project_Silo

haha there is nothing to debunk.Hes not claiming anything other than they hid footage of them making a mistake about what kinda plane it was in the heat of the moment.....

It was a chevy o wait a ford.Ohh booooy who cares?


I think it's possible that some of the original broadcasts that morning have been removed from the archive, can I proove this? No. Is it important? I'm not sure. 911 is more mystery than proovable fact as show here on ATS. The media is at the center of the storm because we all rely on it for the information that helps us form are opinion of the world and the events that shape our veiw of not only ourselves but others.

Do you trust the media to give you the staight story?

Thats the bottom line idea the OP is getting at.


Yea if this is his point then i completely agree.It's just there are so many facts on tape and lies by goverment,norad drills,put options,the list gos on.I would rather see some one put energy into these "undeniable"(atm i can't think of how to spell proveable?) facts.

I often think to many real conspiracies are discredited by poeple taking it to far.Such as holograms were used,this instantly turns off a lot of poeple who are starting to look into the 911 issue.Such as lizard men in the NWO.

I'm not saying the OP is going this far,it just gets frustrating.Anyway sorry if i came off hostile OP.Hopefully now you know it was in the best of intenions.

Do you guys think it would be possible to build a really good case on 911 and take the goverment to court?And if in fact they did delete the footage or are hiding it,this could just be another piece of evidence.



reply posted on 12-8-2007 @ 03:44 AM by 0ivae
Cartesian doubt is advisable not only on the internet but for the major media as well. Doubt everything except doubt itself.

If your memory (and that of your corroborators) is correct,
then apparently at least Fox & CNN have altered the historical record (what they submitted to archive.org & elsewhere were fabricated) in order to cover up the fact that they sent untold hundreds to their deaths by giving the all-clear... get back to work!... being the corporate whores they are, insuring that the slaves of lower Manhattan kept "producing," come hell or highwater!

This might explain then the TV fakery evidence... Note that in the
September Clues the two instances of "fade to black" are in the CNN & Fox coverage (though it is the local Fox affiliate).

If the videos were faked, however, it wasn't because there were no planes, it was because these media giants are more interested in washing the blood off of their hands, even if the blood were simply the product of their incompetance, and not malfeasance.

So, the TV fakery folks could be right in their analysis, but wrong in their interpretation of the evidence.

I should suggest the same could be true for every one who jumps to the premature conclusion: "inside job"

There could as well be another explanation for all of it..... here's a possible hint


reply posted on 12-8-2007 @ 05:00 AM by HaveSeen4Myself
Before this thread goes to the graveyard (alongside all the other factual phenomena dealing with 9/11 that was labelled as insignificant and false) I want to make a few comments.

When I made the original post, I had certain expectations. In the end, everything transpired pretty much the way I thought it would. Most importantly, it garnered a good amount of attention and ruffled a few feathers. In the early going, I must say that I was pleasantly surprised by the positive responses by various members. Inevitably, however, the cockroaches moved in and set up camp.

You see, the animals responsible for 9/11 and furthermore self proclaimed 'guardians of the truth', operate like a well-oiled machine. When any damaging information such as this thread, surfaces on the internet, it is considered a high priority target. Any holes or inconsistencies in the official story that might be exposed are considered before deciding what, if any, action is taken. Then a team of hoaxers who specialize in propaganda, intimidation, and disinformation (their weapon of mass destruction) descend like a plague. This might be my last rodeo, but it damn sure isn't my first.

The only evidence that can be presented to refute my claims are the bogus archives which I specifically referred to in the OP. Nevermind the fact that a little bit of research reveals that they're phony as hell beyond any doubt. We're not supposed to be observant enough to figure that one out.

So to summarize:

Most of the traffic on 9/11 forums are by and large the people whose job it is to protect the best interests of the perps themselves. All the data they collect is constantly being analyzed and in this way their lies are constantly being perfected. With the control they have over information in general, those who are genuinely searching for the truth and debating 9/11 are actually helping the other side consider every possible angle. For this reason, any kind of internet based truth movement is doomed to failure before it ever leaves the starting blocks.

I hope that average citizens, if there are any reading this, can see through trees and get a good look at the forest. If this thread has made just one person rethink their stance on 9/11 and the government/media relationship, then I will consider it a victory. I've been at this for many moons, and I won't stop until they pry the keyboard from my cold, dead hands.

By the way, assuming that recordings of the news broadcasts on the morning of 9/11 do not exist is quite brazen. Anyone who is holding such damaging evidence is probably smart enough to wait until the timing is right to open pandora's box. That day, my friends, will definately come.

XOXOXOXOXOXOXOX



reply posted on 12-8-2007 @ 07:02 AM by Valhall
What about all the footage that was recorded by citizens and placed at this site? www.archive.org...

It appears there is pre-first-impact footage available from almost every TV news agency. To me I see the same on-air guessing and confusion that takes place during any developing/breaking story. Take for instance the OKC bombing, for quite some time it was believed it was a natural gas line explosion until it was finally realized it was a truck bomb. The news anchors and even the field reporters don't necessarily know a spittin' bit more than we do when something has just happened.

I think this thread has been very beneficial both for the OP and for those of us who have read it. I appreciate the link to the archive site and have spent a great deal of time watching the coverage since the link was provided. I was in a meeting that day and when I finally got a break the towers were gone, the Pentagon had a big smoking hole and they were looking for a fourth plane...so it is nice to find a site that I can watch the unfolding of the story.

I'm not okay with the statement the OP just made in his last diatribe. Not sure what burr is under your saddle, but intimating that the vast majority of traffic on discussion boards are shills is offensive and inflammatory...and I'd like to add typical behavior for some one who has a theory/opinion they have decided is the only truth and any one who doesn't agree is the enemy. That ol' blatant fear of open-mindedness.

Trust the man who seeks the truth...doubt the man who claims to have found it.

[edit on 8-12-2007 by Valhall]


reply posted on 12-8-2007 @ 11:52 AM by Ed Littlefox
Posted by Valhall

No - your first post is a theory that you've yet to give evidence to support.


Welll--

Let's just say that the original post doesn't fit with either your own point of view or your current beliefs regards the 9/11 attack. The fact is that the "evidence" that is offered by HaveSeen is absolutely there, in the form of an eyewitness account backed up by another (myself) with his conclusions. So, IMHA, Val, you are requesting evidence that has already been presented--by 2 people--a you just don't want to believe it. It would be better to state that than to attempt to assassinate the character of the men presenting it, don't you think? I will stake my good (where it counts) reputation up here on what I have seen with my own eyes. That being the case, I have no choice but to support as accurate what HaveSeen4Myself has reported, not because I "believe" him, but because I saw it happen myself. It is certainly not the first time I have seen footage, heard first person comment, etc., which managed to disappear or be denied or modified at a later date, and the story changed to fit, and that regarding stories and incidents of far less magnitude than 9/11.

Personally, I feel that the greatest mistake made by both the true believers and the naysayers on this topic is the abject failure to comprehend that lies have been told in this affair by major Players in order to protect personal interests. I can tell you quite truthfully that the Line between "National Security" and "Personal or Corporate Interest" is very dim and vague. The other factor is that Liars have have something to hide and something to gain by hiding the Truth.

I also think that, for the majority, the wrong tactics are being used, and the real point of it all has been completely missed. It isn't a matter of debate, tho I see the tactics of debate being used. It isn't a matter of winning or loosing an argument, calling names, getting angry, throwing mud, or Red Herring, it is a matter of getting at the Truth, and that for the Good of the Whole.

The Truth of 9/11 has not yet been revealed, and it will never be found until such time as we put "beliefs and personal opinions" aside and start looking for the Truth and the Truth alone--while we still have the Freedom to do it.



[edit on 12-8-2007 by Ed Littlefox]

[edit on 12-8-2007 by Ed Littlefox]



reply posted on 12-8-2007 @ 03:10 PM by TwiTcHomatic
Let me start out with.. I do not know what to believe much anymore.

I started my career in the "FOX" world in July'ish of 2001.. yadda yadda, training went on for awhile for my job's daily duties.. finally, my training was complete semptember 1st, and I was to only have a shadow making sure I performed my duties correctly.

I excelled at my job, because I enjoyed it, so fatefully, morning of the 11th I was left alone to "run the board" on my own.

I never saw the first plane hit, except for replays that we all saw. What I did see on my network receiver was a smoking Trade Center Tower building.. just out of the corner of my eye I noticed it before it came over the red box, or "FOX Box". Nothing really abnormal with this, they usually get the video up then annuonce what it is.

As had been said before.. nothing was really thought "huge" of it other then the fact that something had hit the tower, until the 2nd plane impacted. I saw that one live along with my Boss who I had already called into the room to check out the first tower smoking. That second plane was like a hammer striking out the meaning of what was going on.. my boss said it best "well, we just went to war."

Being a local affiliate, we generally dont archive "everything" that comes down over our network recievers. Of all the thing I remember about that day.. not rolling archive tape on those minutes I first saw the smoking tower bothers me. But not for the histroric aspect, there are things I remember seeing and hearing that just dont add up.

There are so many TV affiliates out there, I am sure archive footage exists, sitting in a tape library just waiting to be discovered.
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