Originally posted by kinda kurious
BTW, how did you end up with them?

Crakeur forwarded them to me in an email. He mentioned that he wasn't sure if ummofriend wanted them made public, but, according to how it all went down, ummo sent them to Crakeur in order to have them posted in this thread. Better late than never, I guess.

"Post processing" means that the images have been altered from the original renders(in this case the render was some type of video file). If you look at the fronds on the trees, you will see really bad, non anti-aliased leaf textures. He probably ran the video through "After Effects" or some other video software that allows motion-blur, or some type of guassian filtering to hide the very apparent CGness of the trees that are closer to the "camera". Thier texture sizes are smaller than the output of the rendered video which why it is pixelated and the ship is not.

An example would be this:
I make a tree, and I use texture maps that are 512x512(pixels).At no time can I render out a larger image than the texture sizes because they will natuarally pixelate. However some applications(not Vue6) will let you MIP map textures. MIP mapping will blur a texture that is close up so it remains smooth even if you get too close and the render size is rather large. Ever play Doom, or Quake back in the day? If so, you will have seen this in action...if you slamed you face into a wall the textures got pixelated, yet at a distance they look good because the textures are essentially being sized down, while up close they get blown out and pixelated.

I can't stress enough how much of a 3d noob this guy was, I would consider myself a amature hobbyist(7 years of doing 3d). If this dude has had his software for more than a year, he most likely won't get better with such glaring mistakes in his work(IMHO). I don't think he has the drive or talent to take his art to the next level( that of a pro). I called the app he used(Vue) on the 11th of august, and I was only semi-familiar with the software(seen hundreds of pics at renderosity.com). I never used the software, but the trees were the standard ones that everyone uses(if they cant make a tree themselves, or use the eco-systems properly). I'm sorta saddened that this guy gets so much attention just because he decided to hoax a UFO, yet I've seen, and done better myself. UFO's get way too much attention while real artists go unnoticed. It's sad.

Just when I think this thread walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I find out it actually tastes just like chicken. I mean, I see things with my one big eye. Things that occur between the confines of my browser puzzle me. I am sorry, but do the following observations make any sense?

Originally posted by Tuning Spork
Crakeur never got around to posting, or had forgotten that he was meant to, so here goes.

He forwarded them to me.

Better late than never?"

How do you know what the Super Moderator might be thinking? He forwarded them to you, why? I have always noticed a certain tag-team approach between you two while reviewing this thread. I just can‘t quite put my finger on it. Are you two in cahoots? But for someone like myself, a newbie with no credibility, to be granted such an amazing wish…poof…post the visuals. I just have to wonder. I mean, I live in constant fear that my snarky mouth will get me banned, and you just go and post much sought after images like that? Without any permission or fear of consequences? Oddness?

And then a post from someone else whom I also consider quite credible:

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
I can't stress enough how much of a 3d noob this guy was.…If this dude has had his software for more than a year, he most likely won't get better with such glaring mistakes in his work(IMHO). I don't think he has the drive or talent to take his art to the next level (that of a pro).

First, unless you haven’t been following this thread much lately, the hoaxer is anything but a hack. He works for a major, international production company as others have pointed out. Although I have my issues with his credibility, I did mention on a recent post “Personally, seeing all of the other amazing animation he has done leaves no doubt in my mind that he is extremely talented.” Have you seen his other work? Perhaps not 3D, but mind-blowing 2D on films and music videos. Some might say that I am defending him when it is obvious that I was quite glad that he got banned. But never did I ever think his work was sub-par. That is the irony of it all. He fooled alot of people. Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? That's my problem. He is so good, why stoop to hoaxing?

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
I'm sorta saddened that this guy gets so much attention just because he decided to hoax a UFO, yet I've seen, and done better myself. UFO's get way too much attention while real artists go unnoticed. It's sad.

I am confused by the above statement. So you have “done” better? Have YOU ever hoaxed a UFO video? Supreme Oddness??

Bottom line for me. I think that there are so many plots and sub-plots and hidden alliances and hidden agendas and reasons that things happen on this this forum that I am just learning about. I mean you get a U2U from someone and form a kinship in the background, when in fact, it is all part of the game. Don’t get me wrong, I love this place and that is why I’m here.

But I am learning very quickly to not only deny ignorance, but also, to trust no one.

Always been a rebel, always been a loner. Sorry if I got OT. Flame Away....regards kk

[edit on 31-8-2007 by kinda kurious]

[edit on 31-8-2007 by kinda kurious]

I actually sent them to spork since ummo had already been in contact with him under his real name and ummo hadn't yet said it was ok to post them to the thread - I never saw that the reason for me getting them was to post them. I was under the impression he was sending them to me to further verify what I knew and the members in the thread were still unsure of.

I've been in contact with ummo since he was banned and have not yet heard back from him since my last email but he did say he was passing thru NYC this month and would love to get together with me.

OK, apparently the vid and youtube page has been posted before.

(link deleted)

My Bad.

Carry on.



[edit on 18-9-2007 by Badge01]

Originally posted by blowfishdl
ITS REAL!!!! ITS REAL!!! ITS REAL!!! How can I tell?!?!? IT GOES BEHIND THE TREE!!!

3D graphics!!! You can put anything anywhere. That's why it is called 3D. You can even control the sun and the moon for some very realistic looking work.

Ok well i posted this elsewhere whoops lol.

My opinion is that it looks real but fake as well. The way the the craft is flying, it's almost as though it's trying hard not to fly sideways. Now surely if they were real the "pilots" would know how to fly them properly but when it goes over the cam and starts it way into the distance it looks as though it's trying hard not to fly sideways in its trajectory lol.