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reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 07:07 AM by kinda kurious
Originally posted by 11 11

Actually, you are wrong, if it was a Ford it would have to be 1960 and below. I believe it might be a 1940 Chevy though..

www.stovebolt.com...

..only because it has an mini oval rear window.


ROFLMAO....last time you posted 3D trucks from Turbo Squid to prove CGI, and now you are posting real trucks. Too "honking" funny.

Ya know 11 11 , if I didn't know any better I am beginning to think that in fact YOU are the hoaxer ( or at least part of it). I mean all of the talk of "reverse engineering" software, programs and "studying the psychological implications" of people who post. And you said, "the hoaxer is in these forums". Since you claim to be on the hardware side, I am sure you Beta test with the best 3D animators out there. Hmmmmmmmm.

It would be kinda like the Volunteer Fireman who gets bored getting little kitties down from trees. He goes and commits arson to start the fire, then is "first on the scene" to save a couple of babies, put the fire out and thereby becomes a local hero. Front page news! A key to the city!

So yeah, you were so smart to figure it all out because YOU are in fact invovled. OK, stupid theory...moving on.

So 11 11, quit harrassing new and credible members like Leigh Scott.
As John Wayne would say, "Hey cowboy, you're scaring the horses."

And one last thing. Since my "Foe" list is growing faster than the waiting list for the new Harry Potter book at the local library.....

I believe one of the admins / owners mentioned that you had been WARNED twice. HOWEVER, I see no WARNING flags next to your avatar.

What's up with this?

good morning everyone.....kk

Also find it odd that 11 11 joined this thread on page 22. 11 + 11 = 22
He is just sly like that. And I am just that paranoid.


[edit on 14-8-2007 by kinda kurious]


reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 08:20 AM by something smells
I thought it was fake from the off...mostly because of the audio.

No I am not an expert in the av field and if I were so what...courts everyday have expert witnesses on competing sides of the case arguing for and against the same bit of evidence.

The main thing that got me was the soundtrack. That gasp / sigh (sounds female to me!!) was the only human commentary at the time...can you believe that? No "Wow", "Oh my god" or other sounds of excitement? Is the person mute? To me the CGI debate ain't relevant the commentary says it all. You can hear the sounds of the camera creaking as its internal microphone had its automatic gain right up..and then you hear the UFO fly pass. Of course now we are told that the sound track is a post film dub...could have been better.

All I have is life's experience and instinct perhaps. But this looked like a production scene to me, I swear to god if they had opened fire...Bruce Willis in a vest would have turned up to save us all Why are alien craft following the roads...do they steer by GPS? It felt wrong, I suppose some would say.

Anyhow, I would not accept a bit of footage as evidence anyway. I would would want more corroboration than that.

Also why was the camera filming in that direction...coincidence?

Yet again all I see is people too willing to believe anything. I really thought that we were getting past the point where a bit of footage alone is "proof". Ho hum, never mind.

Someone once said I don't want to believe, I want to know. Sounds right.

SS out


reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 09:35 AM by beverins
Hi there, just registered after reading all 67 pages LOL

Some good insight on these, but I wanted to explain the capabilities of these programs that he said he used, since I use them all the time - when I saw this video, the first thing I thought was fake, because of the camera motion, angle and the lighting. However, I recognized it as a marvelous animation, because of the nice focus effects and rendering.

First off, Modo - that's an excellent modeling package. Very powerful.

Next up, we have Lightwave. A marvelous 3D program. They do Battlestar Galactica entirely with this software, and they've recently updated it with photoreal motionblur and a Real Lens camera (you want a Nikon D1 with 135MM dicomar lens? three clicks gets you the actual algorithm that duplicates that camera and lens)

Last is Vue 6. There are two iterations of this program, Infinite and Xstream. I believe they used Xstream on this, because it actually works within Lightwave, giving you the Real Lens system and the motionblur. Vue has nice motionblur but not as good as LW's (yet).

Now some people have been talking about Direct X and Cryengine2. While I am gobsmacked at cryengine2's DX10 render power (I would kill to be able to have that interface in Vue) none of these programs use DX9 or 10. Their interfaces are driven by OpenGL, and all the images you see have to be drawn (rendered) frame by frame.

For the kind of realistic lighting and shading that we see in this video, they would probably have set the scene up as a radiosity scene (radiosity is a way to bounce light around so that you get better shading) in both programs.

Now, to be sure, I don't know the artists who made this video, but I've done it enough myself (though never to their degree of mastery) to know the illusion behind how its done. This is how *I* would do it, and indeed a scene using these techniques is rendering NOW, and I will post it to my youtube page to show how easy it is. :-) The render time, by the way, says 179hours. 49 minutes a frame even on my QX6700 quad overclocked 3.2ghz.

1) the original artist said they filmed something, so I guess so. A good way to get camera motion data to be used later.
2) load up Modo and model yourself something cool, texture to taste.
3) Load up a motiontracker like Boujou (costs $10,000, but he said he had a company, right? There are free motiontrackers though) and get the camera motion data.
4) load this data into Lightwave. Load the video as frames into Lightwave as a background plate for alignment.
5) load your UFO. Make it match the camera move you now have loaded. Add in lights and glows.
6) Load in Vue 6 Xstream plugin. Load up a sunset atmosphere, tweak until it matches the background plate.
7) Tweak lighting further in Lightwave and Vue. This does take time because of the need to render out a frame to see what it actually looks like.
8) Add in some foliage from Vue. The palm trees all look alike because the artists apparently used single instances and DID NOT use the ecosystem painter - if they HAD used the ecosystem painter the trees would have all been grown slightly differently and oriented at different angles. The object used, in case anyone is interested, is the Coconut tree object.
9) Tweak some more. Time consuming. Though.. 2 years? Definetely in no hurry, months probably passed with no work done.
10) Render with photoreal blur, real lens camera (hopefully matching what lens you used on the real camera that's giving you the background plate). Either send to a renderfarm or be patient. Renderfarms arent too expensive nowadays amazingly. And there are people (like me) who like to leave their PCs on. Why not render? Go on vacation.
11) Compress nicely and upload to Youtube.

I'm not saying this is precisely how they did it, but its what I would do.

And to the people that did it, could you post the objects and scene file? Would be fun to play with. PLEEEEEEZE


reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 09:59 AM by beverins


As you can see, Vue 5 is more than capable of making this video. And look, there's a whole ISLAND of them coconut trees, eh? :-)

Vue 5's been out since 2005.. revisions throughout those 2 years.


reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 10:28 AM by beverins
Don't want to spam this board with product videos, but I just thought everyone should see what these programs are capable of in talented hands.

these jet planes are ALL fake. Some of the environments are too.

This animation was entirely done by a small team of people (I think 4 or 5) from menithings.com



And in case anyone is interested, a Lightwave demo reel. I wont bother posting the video, just the link.

Lightwave Demo Reel

In this day and age of increasingly powerful digital visualization software, its going to be increasingly hard to distinguish fact from fiction.

You know, when I saw the Haiti video.. for one moment I WANTED it to be real, I will admit that.
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