'I do not know if anyone else that worked on this are in this forum. Myself and probably a good three or four other people who worked on this knew as soon as this was uploaded to the YouTube website that it would be over hear almost instantly.'

Which if true - pretty well exonerates Jakzun I would think...yes?

J.

Originally posted by Springer
ItHasToEnd:

I would like to second the request for a screen shot that proves this is CGI, it would help IMMENSELY to dispel this completely and irrefutably.

If you truly feel "ItHasToEnd" this is your chance. I'll be happy to post it and all you have to do is email it to me.

Springer...

I guess you wouldn't call it proof, it was a PM that the uploader of the Haiti video sent to me when I said I think its time to come clean on this. (barzolff814) If you want solid proof, I can send you images of the wireframe and rendered craft and a whole bunch of other things in due course.

Originally posted by ItHasToEnd

Originally posted by casu10

What kind of "private project "?

Why would you create any type of UFO?


Is this a game? Like the game created by CRO games ("Starfleet is a space scrolling shooter with nice graphics, animations and some particle effects"" )?

For home viewing only, showing friends etc. Was NEVER intended to be uploaded to the internet, and if it was, certainly NOT claiming it to be real. Which is why I'm blowing the whistle on this. It is not for any game or movie.

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dude are you 4 real ? hahahahhahahahahah
this thread has so far been more entertaining than the haiti ufo
blown away

Originally posted by 11 11

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
How do I know this? I just finished a high resolution CGI for a giant triangle video using Maya 8.0. in HD. I am an amateur astronomer and astronomical and science illustrator, photographer, videographer, Have seen and recorded UFO and other phenomena for 20 years and are a MUFON member. I have many associates, scientists, astronomers, optics specialist, movie and CGI production, game and television 3D and graphics. Much more too.

I say cannot be proven, but so far no evidence of fakery and beautifully done if faked, world class CGI and better than anyone on the planet, so far.

You should have read the entire thread before you washed your creditability down the drain. Sticking up for the hoaxers work is one thing, but bringing yourself down with it is another.

Can I ask what part of the evidence you did not accept? Was it the 100% match of the trees from another UFO video with the same craft? Or was it the defualt Vue 6 environment with the exact same size sun and layout of trees? I really would like to know what part of the evidence you didn't like...

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I have not seen any evidence other than statements. I oviously missed some posts, but without a link to an image or a trees composit image it is just hearsay.

In fact I believe in UFO and that other lifeforms are here. I have direct evidence and other witnesses. I still do not otherwise make any statement of what is real without imperical evidence.

I want to believe this, think it is very possibly real, but too much is unproven either way.

Yes I am for real, if you do not believe I am telling the truth that is up to you. Within the next few days the whole lid will be blown off this hoax by others that were involved. They have no choice now.

Boy, I wish Jakzun37 were here now to ask some technical questions about the CGI aspect.

Originally posted by ItHasToEnd
Yes I am for real, if you do not believe I am telling the truth that is up to you. Within the next few days the whole lid will be blown off this hoax by others that were involved. They have no choice now.

So you guys work for a gaming company/software house? I can see why you might fear for your job, as this could go one of either two ways for your company if you do work for one...

Thanks for being honest though - you did the right thing.

J.

ItHasToEnd already said he will provide Springer with solid proof.

Let's wait for that and stop speculating for now. We have been debating for days now whether the video was real or not, debating if this person is telling the truth or not is not relevant.

He said he will provide evidence. If he does, great.. everyone will be convinced (I would hope). If he doesn't, things will stay as they currently are: some believe it's fake, some don't.

Let's wait.

ItHasToEnd

In case you missed it could you respond to my last post. It is the very last one on the bottom of page 58.

Originally posted by ItHasToEnd
I guess you wouldn't call it proof, it was a PM that the uploader of the Haiti video sent to me when I said I think its time to come clean on this. (barzolff814) If you want solid proof, I can send you images of the wireframe and rendered craft and a whole bunch of other things in due course.

"Due Course" works for me. Thank you for offering, it would make my life alot easier.

You can get them to me via email by simply clicking the "Contact Us" button on the bottom of any page of the site. That email ONLY goes to myself and my two partners.

Thanks again for coming clean and I look forward to seeing the images.

Springer...

ItHasToEnd: One last thing, any time frame on the email of the evidence? While "Due Course" is certainly understandable considering the situation, are we talking days or a week?

I would like the Membership to have a "deadline" that we can all look forward to and not waste the interim speculating as to whether or not you'll come through. Make sense?

Thanks Again.

Springer...

housegroove23, in reply to your question. I work for a major production company, if word and proof got out that I was directly involved in a project such as this to fool members of the public that would be it for me. But I have stated that I wanted no part of this when I knew it was going to be uploaded to the internet and branded as the real thing. I wasn't ever going to come clean about this but with the amount of people that have already seen these videos right across the internet, and believing they are genuine, makes me feel very guilty indeed. As I said, it was never, on my part, meant to turn out this way.

I've recently seen this video today.. and read through out most replies.

What I can state is, having seen UFOs twice (denied their existence before that) through out my life time (and do have video images and triangulation of one set with three telescopes spaced 7 miles from each other -C8's, seen in Cochabamba, Bolivia in 2001 March 26th at 10:00-12:40pm UTC). The Haiti video seems like man made if its not CGI.

My observations are:

1. The few times I've seen UFO's, their speeds where considerable faster than the observe on the Haiti video.

2. Formation flying is too military flight school like.

3. UFO's, for those who have had the chance to see them, never make the slightest sound.

The conclusion I came up with, this is man made one way or another.




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I cant believe some people still think this is real.
The two palm trees matching up did it for me, I think the odds of them perfectly matching are at least 1,000 to 1

Thats enough evidence for me, heck I'd even take 50 to 1 odds

BTW moderators, how did I wind up with 621 ATS points????

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Originally posted by Springer
ItHasToEnd: One last thing, any time frame on the email of the evidence? While "Due Course" is certainly understandable considering the situation, are we talking days or a week?

I would like the Membership to have a "deadline" that we can all look forward to and not waste the interim speculating as to whether or not you'll come through. Make sense?

Thanks Again.

Springer...

Indeed. The deadline I give you is this Friday. From now onwards until Friday you will receive conclusive proof. Although I do have to say the members here did a fine job exposing certain errors, some however are wrong, you will know who was right and who was wrong by Friday.

What kind of software did you use?
The Vue6 people were talking here?

Originally posted by casu10
What kind of software did you use?
The Vue6 people were talking here?

Although I was never directly involved with the programming or rendering, Vue 6 was used along with some others. To the best of my knowledge they were LightWave 3D, I think Blender was used and one called Modo, which was used to create the Craft. There may have been one or more involved in the making but these ones are the ones I am sure of.

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Wow I feel like such a fool I really did believe this to be real, it just looked to good to be cgi, but I note that some of it was indeed real footage or whatever. Anyway, apologies to those that I accused of having an agenda debunking this.

What were your involvement?

What part did you play in the making of the film?

It Has To End,


You are doing the right thing here. Jobs come and go. If you live in my area, I will do my best to get you a job and I am sure other members here will do as well. The important thing is that you are coming clean on this, and it won't haunt you. Many people (including myself) were reprimended by our wifes because of the immense amount ot time dedicated into it. Please continue to provide us with details, especially the WHY behind it.
Regards,

arit