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[HOAX] Haiti UFO Video - YouTube - [HOAX]

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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
All I saw at his(Jakzun's) personal website was a bunch of fake 3d promotions using a program called "Poser".


Oh wow you noticed that too?? I did to!

Now look at this:

store.e-frontier.com...

How odd would it be that the program "Poser" (which Jakzun37 used in lots of his work) would be bundled with the program "Vue 6" (the program used to create this hoax)?

Wow, a LINK.

So we have proof Jakzun37 uses "Poser" and we have proof that the UFO video was made with "Vue 6". Now we have proof that you can buy both of those program together in a "bundle".

Crazy?





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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:09 PM
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I don't think that is very crazy. Jakzun has made it abundantly clear that he poseses alot if not all of the software used in these.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:13 PM
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Unless you have any experience with CGI you will not be able to evaluate in any truly informed manor.

Looking at trees, they are not identical and any CG artist knows you can rotate the mesh or scale the branches. Such skills needed for for such a production would not miss this. Not valid argument.

Path and focal all are correct allowing for abborences natural to optics.

Camera shake, timing for movement perspective and trajectories of objects all dead on visually.

Lighting is closer to real than can be done without very expensive and likely impossible effects. The shader for the instance of the one object going over the sun is real as far as I can tell. Unless someone has built a new shader (effect) the industry and myself know nothing about. It took 2-8 people (if it was CGI) to do the models, choreograph the ani, textures and lighting design, camera effects, compositing, voiceover and ambient sound. All where done to perfection. If faked.

I challenge anyone to find flaws in this that are credible. The argument that these look "Too real" is laughable
and is a pseudo-intelligent argument. Think about that. Too real? Sheesh! What does that say really? We can discount someone who's grasp of reality is that tenuous.

How do I know this? I just finished a high resolution CGI for a giant triangle video using Maya 8.0. in HD. I am an amateur astronomer and astronomical and science illustrator, photographer, videographer, Have seen and recorded UFO and other phenomena for 20 years and are a MUFON member. I have many associates, scientists, astronomers, optics specialist, movie and CGI production, game and television 3D and graphics. Much more too.

I say cannot be proven, but so far no evidence of fakery and beautifully done if faked, world class CGI and better than anyone on the planet, so far.

I have seen UFO's on many occasions. No contact I know or am aware of. I have been in observational astronomy as an amateur for 30 years. I have seen things most people will not see in a whole lifetime. Real things natural to reality. I'm not a pushover, but have more experience than most for the areas in question.

Other than uninformed opinions, do this to have a real opinion.

1. Find the source.
2. Talk to witnesses, get story on paper/drawings, from each.
3. Get specifications for camera.
4. Look at weather sat for area and day to corroborate weather.
5. Get the ORIGINAL VIDEO.

All else is chat. Wake up and smell the science.

ZeroGhost



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by sputniksteve
I don't think that is very crazy. Jakzun has made it abundantly clear that he poseses alot if not all of the software used in these.


If that is true, then that would mean he already owns a copy of Vue 6 and knows what it can do, and what it is used for. If that is the case, why then would he need to see the "Vue 6 demo"? If you don't remember, Jakzun37 asked to see the demo multiple times in this thread, when links were posted multiple times, and he never once tried google.


You would think if he actually does own Vue 6, he would see that the UFO is using one of the "default enviroments", but he didn't see that.

Something with Jakzun37 is NOT right.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:15 PM
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Having looked at (albeit breifly) the screenshot posted by 'ItHasToEnd', can Jakzun37, really remain under such suspicion? And does anyone know the reason why he ('ItHasToEnd') took it down?



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroGhost
How do I know this? I just finished a high resolution CGI for a giant triangle video using Maya 8.0. in HD. I am an amateur astronomer and astronomical and science illustrator, photographer, videographer, Have seen and recorded UFO and other phenomena for 20 years and are a MUFON member. I have many associates, scientists, astronomers, optics specialist, movie and CGI production, game and television 3D and graphics. Much more too.

I say cannot be proven, but so far no evidence of fakery and beautifully done if faked, world class CGI and better than anyone on the planet, so far.



You should have read the entire thread before you washed your creditability down the drain. Sticking up for the hoaxers work is one thing, but bringing yourself down with it is another.

Can I ask what part of the evidence you did not accept? Was it the 100% match of the trees from another UFO video with the same craft? Or was it the defualt Vue 6 environment with the exact same size sun and layout of trees? I really would like to know what part of the evidence you didn't like...

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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by 11 11

Originally posted by sputniksteve
I don't think that is very crazy. Jakzun has made it abundantly clear that he poseses alot if not all of the software used in these.


If that is true, then that would mean he already owns a copy of Vue 6 and knows what it can do, and what it is used for. If that is the case, why then would he need to see the "Vue 6 demo"? If you don't remember, Jakzun37 asked to see the demo multiple times in this thread, when links were posted multiple times, and he never once tried google.


You would think if he actually does own Vue 6, he would see that the UFO is using one of the "default enviroments", but he didn't see that.

Something with Jakzun37 is NOT right.


Personally, the only thing I question about his text is just that; he missed the most obvious posts of that video. On atleast 2 occasions he asked someone to post the video within 2 or 3 posts of someone actually posting the video. We know he was reading others posts before he himself posted, so how did he possibly miss those multiple times? That is it, not even calling him out or anything, I just thought that was odd.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Obviously my last post, a plea for the slandering to stop, got lost amongst the heavy weights duking it out, I can't say I'm surprised. But I am amazed, that with absolutely zero knowledge of CGI (apart from being fascinated by it) I know it's fake by watching the little video that does a side by side comparison between two trees hundreds of miles apart that look identical when superimposed on top of one another. How on Earth was this missed, nay ignored completely? And there are still people saying it's real? It;s time to wake up and smell the bovine waste deposits...

I respect those of you with qualifications and knowledge in the requisite fields, but this really has to stop. It's a hoax, the evidence is right there. I don't see how it can be disputed. This thread has turned into a joke, and it's the website being laughed at. You are guests in somebody else's home, respect it.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Brad.T
Having looked at (albeit breifly) the screenshot posted by 'ItHasToEnd', can Jakzun37, really remain under such suspicion? And does anyone know the reason why he ('ItHasToEnd') took it down?


Very good question!

I was hoping we were gonna get some breakthrough with that.. Oh well, I hope this person is still willing to come forward and tell us more.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by danx
Very good question!

I was hoping we were gonna get some breakthrough with that.. Oh well, I hope this person is still willing to come forward and tell us more.


More then likely, "ItHasToEnd" was in on the hoax, and his friend or possibly "boss" wont let it go.

Its only proof positive that the hoaxer, and or people who helped, are in this forum right now, and they know how to make multiple accounts with multiple proxy IP addresses.

The reason he probably removed that image, was because it was against the ATS size limits, or he wanted to remove it before his "boss" see's it in this thread.

All in all, I am 100% positive the hoaxer is in this thread. If not the person I already classified as a suspect.

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posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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I had to remove the image, I left it on long enough for people to see. You want information then start the questions. Although I have to be quick about this.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:53 PM
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Let me just say, being the GEEK that I am - I have been a Gamer for a long time and I am honored to be in my favorite place on the internet with of two of best people in the industry.
I tell ya, I could not be happier.


Yes I am talking about you 11 11 and you Jakzun37, You guy's are both awesome.


11 11, Im a BIG Nvidia Fan, and before that I was an even bigger 3DFX fan. Nvidia Rocks!!! and ATI Sucks!!! - However I only have a Geforce 6800, if you ever feel kind one day, could you hook me up with Geforce 8800 Please!!!
I think that before you started accusing Jakzun37 of being the Hoaxer you where doing an excellent job at proving all of this to be a Hoax and you deserved some ATS points for that.

Jakzun37, It is an honor to be in your presents with the kind of work that you do. Please do not let some people here ruin it for you, We need talented people like you in our community.


The post from ItHasToEnd was very reviling. This well get very interesting, only time well tell.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:55 PM
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ItHasToEnd

This is a Hoax correct?



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by ItHasToEnd
I had to remove the image, I left it on long enough for people to see. You want information then start the questions. Although I have to be quick about this.


Please, post it again.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by housegroove23
ItHasToEnd

This is a Hoax correct?


Not entirely, no.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 04:57 PM
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Is the video CGI?



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 05:00 PM
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"This Isn't over, not by a long shot"

Did anyone else catch that part of the message? Do you think he's implying that there will be more videos of this sort? Sounds like it to me.

Too bad we've got his number.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 05:00 PM
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jakzun doth protest too much



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by casu10
Is the video CGI?



Yes, it is CGI, but this was never intended to fool the public. I wan't to make something clear. We never set out to fool anybody with this into believing it was real, that was not our goal. Some of us working on the project wanted different things out of this as the project was near completion, one of those people was me. I do not want to say how many of us there were working on this, but towards the end some of 'them' had different agendas.



posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Brad.T
"This Isn't over, not by a long shot"

Did anyone else catch that part of the message? Do you think he's implying that there will be more videos of this sort? Sounds like it to me.

Too bad we've got his number.


Please don't jump to conclusions. Just because Jakzun37 (or anyone else) might have the capability to make a video like that doesn't mean he did it.

Honestly I haven't seen any compelling evidence that Jakzun37 is involved. Ok, so he joined recently especially to discuss the video. So did a lot of other people..

I think 11 11 WANTS Jakzun to be the hoaxer just because it got a little personal. I will wait for something more concrete. I think you should too.




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