Russia resumes nuke bomber sorties

Russia resumes nuke bomber sorties

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MOSCOW, Russia (Reuters) -- Russia's strategic bombers have resumed the Soviet Union's Cold War practice of flying long-haul missions to areas patrolled by NATO and the United States, generals said on Thursday.

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This is extremely amazing. Putin really DOES want Russia to be much more assertive throughout the world. There's really no way to look past this anymore, we're heading towards Cold War #2. Hopefully, it ends the same exact way the first one did.

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Hopefully, it ends the same exact way the first one did.

except this time with a fake landing on mars.

i really dont think russia has the economic will to take us on, especially since were most likely leaps and bounds ahead of them already. but china, now theres a country that is making up ground fast with their minds set firmly on dominating the worlds stage. they also control our debt which doesn't bode well for us being able to fund ourselves should they decide to get serious.

[edit on 8/9/2007 by bokinsmowl]

Originally posted by bokinsmowl
except this time with a fake landing on mars.

Haha! I was actually thinking how cool it would be if that happened. There's a need to push countries to show off how big their units are (heh) and the best way? A silly Cold War space race! There are always bonuses to races between two powers and if there are no "1 minute to midnight" periods we do slack off.

Originally posted by bokinsmowl
but china, now theres a country that is making up ground fast with their minds set firmly on dominating the worlds stage.

Notice how Russia and China are buddying up to each other? It's extremely strange to see them getting excited over working together, but, they DO have a common enemy and always have: The U.S administration.

It all depends on how well they can execute their plans together. If they do, we've got a very plausible Cold War on our hands again.

Yea i don't think Russia is messing around at all. All you ever hear in the mainstream media is that Russia is not a big player anymore, that it is just trying to regain some of it's lost power. Of course it's a big player! They've had enough of America and the west ruling the roost and can see that the U.S are coming apart in Iraq and the general 'war on terror", and are posistioning themselves to take over in some way.

I would not trust them as far as i could throw them. They are more of a gangstar state than the U.S could ever be, and that is saying alot!

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Peruvianmonk]

curses i posted in another thread, but this one was first...so i'll just repost.....and also i thought i was the first to think about a second cold war...curses...


i think russia just kinda feels left out from the rest of the world...it had the worlds attention, right next to the US for most of the century...then the wall fell, they went all democratic, and kindof took a back seat....

or maybe it's antagonizing america...to start some other cold war type thing....in order to jump start it's technology making and what nots....
there were great advances by both countries during those years...

of course they did...

all started with the missile shield, their proposal to co-use theirs, the refusal of the White House --> North Pole issue --> new 5th generation jet fighter on it's way and now this ... Don't you guys see the connection?

Russia is building up, and that's a good thing - it's time for more balance in the world.

As for the "Nuclear War Panic" - it's not quite a possible scenario. The Russians don't need nuclear weapons to destroy the US. This thread tells how.

Time will tell...

I must say[and the russians would agree] its somewhat [coldwar-]romantic with the "exchanged smiles".Maybe in the old days they knew somehow while doing those traditions that the conflict was not about to escalate[ok MAD..duh].
It was just fun screwing with each other with those peace time habbits..
But ok, since the beginning of this century the FSB got full control[again] in russia.
Capitalism works pretty well, and the russians can actually keep their trade partners[in energy]as hostage.While Russia still sits on big piles of gas and oil the US has problems just getting it with their overconsumption. It seems after the wild west nineties russia is a bulwark again of secret agents controlling it with some western style capitalism.. Another difference with the cold war is indeed the good relation with China, they dont argue anymore about Stalinism and #..now having this Shanghai corporate organisation, what are they up to?
While China holds their debt[card] and the US waging war for not losing their economic position too much, things look really different nowadays..
Btw did you know Putin was an agent in corporate spying..

Originally posted by bokinsmowl

Hopefully, it ends the same exact way the first one did.

except this time with a fake landing on mars.

i really dont think russia has the economic will to take us on, especially since were most likely leaps and bounds ahead of them already. but china, now theres a country that is making up ground fast with their minds set firmly on dominating the worlds stage. they also control our debt which doesn't bode well for us being able to fund ourselves should they decide to get serious.

[edit on 8/9/2007 by bokinsmowl]

The other day i found this funny cartoon in a newspaper. It was like:
The Americans are al too busy with their complicated star wars shield... meanwhile the russians are just planting a flag on the bottom of the artic ocean..which reminds of another anecdote with the russian penciles and american fountain pens in space, but you already know that one...back ontopic..

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by wenfieldsecret
there were great advances by both countries during those years...

Exactly. That's one of the major benefits of any sort of race between two powers. Not to mention what happens BECAUSE of those advancements. Those advancements tend to lead to even more opportunities for people to latch onto. Then there's the whole thing of inspiring a whole nation at once (space/wanting to become an astronaut) which is very beneficial for moral.

Hopefully, if there's going to be a Cold War #2 it stays just that, cold.

i wouldnt mind being the person to fake that landing on mars....(i believe the moon landing was real...if it was fake, the russians would have known, and that would have been an awesome slap to the face)....

i think the US is out for a cold war as well....it realizes it has lost it's reckless abandon when it comes to exploring....NASA refused to put a colony on the moon, because building it would cost to much...in money, and in lives.....but they didnt care in the sixties...when it only took 12 years to put the first satellite in space to the first man on the moon....(i realize that both instances are seperate countries...but that makes it a buddy buddy relationship)

Freeze dried icecream
super sonic high altitude recon
super sonic long range aircraft..(it eventually went from bomber to commercial)
ICBMs
space rockets
the current fighters
the american muscle car...(not really related except the time period, but cool anyways)

and more that i dont know off the top of my head.....but something has to be gained from the cold war, such as land and resources (the artic for both, the moon for land plus the upper hand)

sorry if you think it's a rant...

Some people make a huge deal about these training flights. But you have to realize that the Russian bombers are not violating any international laws or anyone's airspace. Thats why it's called the international airspace - it's not as if they are flying above US cities or even borders.

US has never ended such flights since the Cold War ended. Look at the incident with China several years back, where a US reconnaissance plane was rammed by a Chinese jet.

This phobia of Russia is getting pretty old. Russian government now simply has more money, and can afford to improve its military, and resume activities which were commonplace 20 years ago.

Not entirely true, they've known to violate Finnish airspace quite often. Always of course 'mistakenly' and they always high tail home when our hornets go and point their weapons at them. This was very regular routine during the cold war and has happened few times after too. They just love to fly near our borders because they want to see how Nato countries respond. Not to be partial, but Nato planes do the same thing too.
Imho, this just furthers the point that Finland should always stay neutral.

Originally posted by maloy
Some people make a huge deal about these training flights. But you have to realize that the Russian bombers are not violating any international laws or anyone's airspace. Thats why it's called the international airspace - it's not as if they are flying above US cities or even borders.

US has never ended such flights since the Cold War ended. Look at the incident with China several years back, where a US reconnaissance plane was rammed by a Chinese jet.

This phobia of Russia is getting pretty old. Russian government now simply has more money, and can afford to improve its military, and resume activities which were commonplace 20 years ago.

Check your info!!Russia is often violating airspace of foreign countrys in Finnland,Baltics, not to mention Caucas.Only those ''accidents'' get so much attention like when it was U.S violating someones airspace!!

There was also a report of a Russian bomber overflying Guam recently, which most definitely IS US airspace. It was escorted by US fighters, and both sides waved and took pictures of each other.

Sounds like mis - Info to me, I think the world is headed for a big boom.
everyone knows about the new world Order... Hmmm most of our large citys are overran with , people from other places...Russia hits a large city
said to say I dont think some people will care. Then Russia would get hit hard. Just like Iraq .... so I dont think Russia is going to .....
I bet this is Mis-Info to scare Russia into somthing... or some else....
then again this might be Mis-info to scare us...Draft anyone.

this was that incident....or were you talking earlier than this??

the U.S. EP-3 had not violated chinese air space....the chinese pilot was doing a routine meet and greet...the started showing off and getting close to the p-3 when it was struck by one of the propellers and the pilot died in the crash...the p-3 had no where else to go except china...(hainlan island)

I heard something about it happening at least once more around Guam or Okinawa (pretty sure it was Guam off the top of my head though), but I can't find the report about it now. I'm not gonna throw too much effort into it though, because I have too much to do this weekend before going back to work.

Zaph I presume this is the article which you were referring to? The article states that a Russian General claims Guam was "overflown" and that "smiles" were exchanged with escorting USN fighters. It also lists several world wide incidents which highlight Russian's recent trend of resuming Cold War antics with greater frequency.

However this account has been disputed by the U.S. Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Robert F. Willard.

PEARL HARBOR, Hawaii (AP) - The U.S. Pacific Fleet commander said Russian bombers never got within 300 miles (500 kilometers) of Guam this week and did not fly over the U.S. territory as a Russian air force general claimed.

Navy Adm. Robert F. Willard disputed that U.S. fighters intercepted the bombers. The admiral said the Russian aircraft never got close enough to the Pacific island or the massive U.S. military exercises being held nearby, to warrant such action. "U.S. planes went to an orbit point in preparation for an intercept that never occurred because the Bears didn't get close enough," Willard said in an interview Thursday using a slang term for the Russian planes. Earlier, a Russian air force general said a pair of Tu-95 bombers reached Guam as part of an exercise intended to demonstrate the Kremlin's resurgent military power.The general said the bomber's crews smiled at the pilots of the U.S. fighter jets scrambled to intercept them.

The U.S. military is currently holding large-scale war games in waters and air space near Guam. The "Valient Shield" drills are among the largest U.S. military exercises held anywhere in the world, involving over 22,000 troops, more than 30 ships and some 275 planes.

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He isn't lying so I guess the Russians wanted to hype up the event.

[edit on 10-8-2007 by WestPoint23]

Tavarish Maloy(if you don't mind me call ing you that ),

It seems pretty bold to run 'training flights' deep into international waters and near/over US installations.
One would presume training flights would be better off within or around sovereign territorial areas.
The international 'good-will' flights are better suited to experienced pilots who can handle any China-Pc3 Orion esque incidents that may occur under unfortunate circumstances.

These are arm-flexing exercises nothing more or less. Everybody who's got the tech, requirement and initiative carries them out.
No biggie..