Originally posted by jbondo
Why is it that when we're talking about creation (yea, I said it! I'm not ashamed of that nor trying to hide behind anything) it's "magic" even
though evolution of man has never been proven? Where is your "magic" missing link?
The fundamental problem in proving the existence of God lies in the fact that belief in God relies on faith WITHOUT proof. This makes it very
difficult for a christian, for example, to argue the legitimacy of God to someone who is basing their facts off of evidence thus far collected by
science. I don't have the missing link for you, because it hasn't been found. I will say the evidence definitely suggests there is a missing link,
and I expect that to be the case.
Originally posted by jbondo
Of course my hope is that some day Intelligent Design will be proven and whether you accept it or not this is an example and step toward that
end.
Believe me, if Intelligent Design is legitimately proven, i'll believe it. But I think due to the very nature of God and religion, to prove
Intelligent Design would be to defeat the entire purpose of faith. So, because of that, i don't think it will ever be proven.
Originally posted by jbondo
"Vilified"?!? So, in other words you are hoping that there is no God? Because that is ultimately what you are saying with that statement.
When I say followers of science will be vilified by the end of this thread, I mean they will be made into villains. Godless atheists who will stop at
nothing to discount the ideals of good, god-fearing folk. It seems to happen in virtually every discussion, be it here, on television, in a
documentary, at church, etc.
Originally posted by jbondo
You know, we Christians get tired of being attacked at every turn and insulted to the point of either leaving a thread or fighting back with the same
ammo. Sometimes even the nicest people get fed up to the point of shooting back a little of what they've had to swallow for so long.
I think that is a perfect statement to encompass the GOOD people on both sides of this argument. I don't think i could have said it better. Every
day my sister (born again christian) emails or calls me asking me to go to church with her, just once. It breaks my heart to know that i can't have
the relationship i used to have with her, simply because I am not a christian. She doesn't talk to my father anymore, because he told her flat out
that he doesn't believe in God, that this is all there is to life. I think that's sad.
Originally posted by jbondo
Yea, maybe I was a bit over the top yesterday but there are times when I feel I have little choice. If you took it personally and I offended you I
apologize. Most of the time I disclaim my posts like that with "JMO" at the bottom. Every time I forget I get jumped. I can take quite allot of
abuse but I will not deny my beliefs.
In reading through my post, I agree that I was probably too abrasive myself. You didn't offend me, and i'm guessing I didn't offend you. To be
honest, we're not on opposite sides of this argument. While I may not believe in God in the traditional sense, I do believe that this existence is a
result of a singular mind to which we all will ultimately return.
I believe science and "God" should co-exist. Honestly, I believe science is capable of answering the questions that can be answered here in this
physical reality. "God" or whatever presence exists in the afterlife as our point of origin is the only thing that can offer any kind of answers to
the things that could never be addressed by science. Like faith, for example.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you have to say. You give me some good arguments and at the end of the day, all i'm here to do is learn from the
rest of you.
