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San Diego Firefighters Forced To Attend Gay Pride Parade

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posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
The fact remains: it is illegal, and the firefighters would not have been in that position if not for the actions of the supervisor.


If what she did was illegal, why did they even attend at all? If I knew that my super was giving me an order that was illegal, I wouldn't do it and then turn around and sue. I'd tell the super it's illegal what they want and they can go frack themselves.

Why did these men even attend if it is so illegal what she did?

Plus, why are these men working under a lesbian in the first place if being around gay people makes them uncomfortable? Or is it just male gay people?




posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:16 PM
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Plus, why are these men working under a lesbian in the first place if being around gay people makes them uncomfortable? Or is it just male gay people?


Working around Gay people and Being forced into one of thier parades are 2 entirely different things. Hmm not allowed to so much as talk about the word Sex at work yet they are riding in a parade that flaunts unnatural sex (to some).

There is a difference.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe

Sexually harrassed my foot. Looked over by the gays?
Wow, what a horrible thing to happen

It is their homophobia and paranoia making them think this.



The sexual harrassment laws are in place for a reason and you don't need to be "raped" to be sexually harrassed. These laws are expansive and cover a wide range of scenarios.


Originally posted by dgtempe
How the heck were they Harassed??
That's a load of crap.

What is this assumumption based on ms holmes?


Originally posted by dgtempe
I highly doubt anything like that went on.

And this assumption?


Originally posted by dgtempe

Maybe they're pissed because they didnt get any "attention"


I presume you eliminated the impossible and came to the above conclusion?


Originally posted by dgtempe
Nothing or nobody can bother ME unless i allow it to bother me.

Tell that to all the people around the world who are racially abused, bullied etc... I think you're on to something myself, but see the reaction you get.


Originally posted by dgtempe
A simple message that i am not interested would suffice and i doubt i'd be "raped" by any of them


No-one mentioned rape, why did you?



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by ATruGod
There is a difference.


I see your point. I'll agree with this.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 03:37 PM
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"You know me Marge, I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals Fa-laming!"



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
I doubt you would like it if your children or SO were the target of that kind of harassment. Yet you choose to attack the firefighters and defend the antagonists. Your values and priorities are skewed, imo.


I should say so! After all, my kids are young and in no way qualified to put a fire out using specialised equipment, nor to drive a firetruck through a parade....... that would just be irresponsible!

On the other hand.... if my kids were old enough to actually be firemen, I would hope they've got enough decency and respect for their fellow citizens to not be even remotely bothered by the event. Or else they're in for one hell of an arguement and an awful lot of frowning!



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky

Public employees are not permitted to support a political candidate or agenda while on taxpayer time. End of story.


are we positive it was a political agenda? either way, i fail to see how their presence ='s support.....

Putting your employees in a position where they must endure someone waving their genitals at them is sexual harassment, plain and simple. Your values and priorities are skewed, imo.


in a position when someone must endure genitals waving in their face???
bwuhahahahahahahahBWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

that is GREAT

all them people marching with their johnsons dangling in the breze.

hahahahahahaha

cry baby fireman



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:29 PM
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it is common that firemen regularly tend parades and marches correct?
why?
community support?
well, 'teh homo's' are part of th ecommunity as well. you don't automatically support homosexuality if you are there.
are they there to kind of 'patrol' for lack of a better word for firehazzards?
i mean, i know they are at the st paddy's day parade and they're not all irish.
why does gay parade automatically turn into a political thing?



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by RedEyes
No I don't. A similar incident to what you describe happened in the UK not so long ago. A pharmacist refused to sell a customer the morning after pill as it was against her beliefs. I do not believe that this lady had the right to refuse to sell the morning after pill either.




We are talking about their religious beliefs. I am not religious but I do understand how some people are deeply religious and their religious beliefs take priority in their lives - not that I agree, but I understand.


Why do these 2 statements seem to be conflicting?


Because they're not.

In the example: He says that lady x refuses to sell the pill to person y, and he disagrees with her decision.

In the 2nd bit:
He UNDERSTANDS that they might prioritize their religious believes in their lives, he UNDERSTANDS that the lady might not want to sell pills because they are against her believes, but as he says "NOT THAT I AGREE",it means he does not neccesarily AGREE with prioritizing those believes, EXACTLY what has been said in the example. "Do not agree."

*I understand the underlying thoughts and the reason, but I cannot agree with the action*

As for the issue at hand. (This is a general reply, lol)

I'd say that they should've been able to get the OPTION to attend or not.
Though attend according to the dictionary means PRESENT AT, not ''actively participate and support''. (Basically meaning they just needed to be there in case they were needed.)

So the big problem really is that they got harrassed by the men, something which you might find insignificant, but something that could be quite damaging to their ego.

[edit on 8/8/07 by -0mega-]



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:52 PM
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Boondock78 = It's not about being "scared" of gays. It's about these men being forced to do something against their will.They don't agree with the gay lifestyle and didn't want to be around it. How can you fault them for that? Just because someone lives a certain way, doesn't mean it's the duty of everyone else to accomodate them, or to support them.

Grff = lmao wow it's not even that serious. First off..since when was lesbo offensive? I've known lesbians that call each other lesbos and lezzies and other things that i won't post. Meh..i'm not really up on my political correctness, far as i knew lesbo was perfectly acceptable. And she was an activist..so wtf is the problem?

Most of your other stuff is kind of one liner so not much for me to respond to. But basically the point is this. It's not wrong to not want to hang around gays. Just like it's not wrong to not want to associate with any group that you don't want to associate with. Just because we tolerate something, doesn't mean we have to support/approve of it. There's a difference between simply not associating with a certain type of people, and going out and killing a member of a certain group you don't like.

Last time i checked, it's the fire departments job to put out FIRES..unless there was a fire at the parade i see no reason for them to be REQUIRED to be there. The only people who might not have a case, are cops. Cops might have been "required" to be there..to "enforce the law" or eat doughnuts or whatever they do..they have less of a say because usually police are called for most public gatherings.

They weren't being require to "do their job" they were being required to show support for something they didn't want to show support for. So yes i still hope they win they law case

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My thing is are we seriously getting this sensitive in society that we will be labeled as "unsenstive" or "bad people" or "homophobic" if we simply don't wish to support another groups beliefs? Last time i checked it was america and i could vote for or against anything i want. If i don't want to show support to the gays, i won't. These firemen felt that they were put in a demeaning situation and they shouldn't have been required to be at the parade. How are you going to flame them for not wanting to be around a group of people they feel uncomfortable around?

Consider these scenarios...White people, let me take some of you to the middle of compton..i bet a lot of you will feel "uncomfortable" then. Or how about women..why don't i leave you on in isolated area with a group of men. How comfortable will you feel? Parents, how about you let a convicted sex offender babysit your kids..does that feel comforable? It's the same with these firefighters. They did not feel comfortable because they might have been subject to ridicule by friends/family, or because of their personal beliefs. Heck they are even putting themselves at risk because maybe someone might come up and stab them at the parade because they are associating with gays. Bottom line is that there was nothing critical to their job, that required them to be there.

Because of that fact..you can't blame them for complaining..and you also can't get mad at the rest of us for sticking up for them. This is america, they have the right to peacefully assemble..and the rest of us have to right to stay as far away as we like.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 04:54 PM
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jsobecky : I don't believe we're missing the point here at all. Maybe you
are. It has now grown into a sexual harrassment and "rights" issue.

When in fact, these specific firemen were told a. of time that they
would be part of the "community" celebration, that it was an annual event,
and that normally the local fire department was invited to participate by
sending a truck and crew to be in the parade.

What's really wrong with that? Nothing ! Nothing !

It's when you send immature, plant-life individuals that you begin to have
the trouble. I believe the boss used logical, common-sensed based
management decisions in sending the "duty" crew that day. Keeping all
other things even, the "gays" weren't chosen, the volunteers weren't
chosen, . . .nobody was chosen. The "duty" crew was assigned to
represent the local fire department in the parade. Nobody singled out,
no group singled out, just plain old fair scheduling. If you happened to be
on "duty" that day, that was your job as a fireman that day.

If a fire had broken out, do you think it would've been okay for some of
the firemen to say, "Gee, I really don't like that area so I'm going to skip
this one?" But they can say, as public employees, "Gee, I really don't
want to be around those people. I'm getting sick. Please don't make me
do it! It's the worst thing in the world!"



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 05:30 PM
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The fire chief should be terminated immediately and be required to pay damages, as should the city of San Diego.

This was nothing less than an egregious abuse of power.

I'm sure the lesbian fire chief thought it was funny as hell, but she's probably not laughing now.

It's almost inconceivable that a woman could become a fireman anyway, but hey, what's life and death and upper body strength got to do with the homosexual agenda. You know, the agenda that doesn't exist.

[edit on 2007/8/8 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Spawwwn
Boondock78 = It's not about being "scared" of gays. It's about these men being forced to do something against their will.They don't agree with the gay lifestyle and didn't want to be around it. How can you fault them for that? Just because someone lives a certain way, doesn't mean it's the duty of everyone else to accomodate them, or to support them.

^^forced to do something agaisnt their will? you guys(supporters of these fireman) and the fireman themselves are being so dramatic...the fireman were 'forced' to do this against their will.
in what way were they 'forced'? do we know that?
did they object to their boss, AT THE TIME, in any fashion? do we know that?
did they grumble and bitch about it under their breath or did they make it known? i am more curious here than anything.

also, i have had a lot of jobs now...there is of course a handbook and a job description for all of these jobs....in every one of those jobs, i guarantee you i was asked to do something not in the description...that is in fact, 'how it works'....
i think they are making quite the fuss over this when it was in fact nothing..
being there does not equal support...
would they save a homosexual from a burning building? if no, then we have a serious problem..if yes, that does not mean they support their lifestyle now does it? also if yes, they will risk their life to save the homosexuals life, but they won't stand in the parade????hmmmmm
i am just asking here. if they do not discriminate when they go into burning buildings, why discriminate outside of them?
i don't see howing going to a parade you were told to go to is accomodating to them or suporting them?
did the members of the parade ask them to be there or th boss? he was not accomodating anyone.
as far as how can i fault them? easy
they seems like bigots to me...i could be wrong. but thats how i fault them. they seem like a highschol jock turd that is scare he is gonna get teh homo disease if he is around them....just my opinion. i am entitled to it.


It's not wrong to not want to hang around gays

^^correct? i guess it is all in the wording...if you're on duty and the boss says go to this parade, when i come home at the end of the day and my wife asks me what i did, i wouldn't say i 'hung out with gays' today, cause thats not what it was. but, since thise guy seems like he is a bigot, that is probably exactly what he will say.

Just because we tolerate something, doesn't mean we have to support/approve of it.

^^and just because you attend a gay parade does not mean you support/approve of it...thats like the 10th time now

There's a difference between simply not associating with a certain type of people, and going out and killing a member of a certain group you don't like.

^^^uh, yeah. i never called him a murderer though, just a cray baby bigot...for the record

Last time i checked, it's the fire departments job to put out FIRES..unless there was a fire at the parade i see no reason for them to be REQUIRED to be there.

then why are they ALWAYS at the st paddy's day parade? see, their job description involves more than just putting out fires...they get cats out of trees, they get into cars that have been in accidents. they partake in COMMUNITY events.....
hell, i bet they even clean things and wash those trucks back at the station...ALL kinds of things that are not putting out fire.

They weren't being require to "do their job" they were being required to show support for something they didn't want to show support for.

^^i thought the were asked/told to attend

Last time i checked it was america and i could vote for or against anything i want.

^^it is and you can

If i don't want to show support to the gays, i won't.

^^ok. don't support 'the gays'....how do you feel about 'the blacks'?

These firemen felt that they were put in a demeaning situation

^^^BINGO>>>DING DING>>>>the fireman thought it was demeaning and didn't want to be anywhere near 'the gays' so, he cries...makes sense to me.

why don't i leave you on in isolated area with a group of men. How comfortable will you feel?

^^were they to be on an isolated island with 'the gays'?

Parents, how about you let a convicted sex offender babysit your kids..does that feel comforable?

^^^your reach is longer than yao mings dude...from homosexual to sex offender and the baby...when is animal play going to appear? it always does

They did not feel comfortable because they might have been subject to ridicule

^^^poor adult firemen that can't handle ridicule...my heart really goes out to them

Heck they are even putting themselves at risk because maybe someone might come up and stab them at the parade because they are associating with gays.

^^oh man oh man...bwuahahahahahah..THAT is funny. now you are REALLY reaching......

Bottom line is that there was nothing critical to their job, that required them to be there.

^^does their jon involve only critical things? cat in a tree? how does that rate on the critical scale?

Because of that fact..you can't blame them for complaining..and you also can't get mad at the rest of us for sticking up for them. This is america, they have the right to peacefully assemble..and the rest of us have to right to stay as far away as we like.


^^this is america but i can't blame them or get mad at the rest of you for sticking up for them?
on the contrary.....i do blame the fireman and while i am not mad at you guys, i am almost appalled cause i can see it in the posts some of you make...i can only imagine how some of you act in real life towards 'the gays'.

not singling anyone out here but some people say some really stupid doodoo


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AND FOR THE RECORD...THIS IS CAPS SO PEOPLE WILL LOOK. BEFORE I GET ANOTHER WARN FOR EXCESSIVE QUOTES....THAT QUOTE BOX UP THERE IS FILLED UP HALFWAY WITH MY POSTS....I TRIMMED THE QUOTED PART WAY DOWN....I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO BREAK THEM UP. IT TAKES UP THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE....



[edit on 8-8-2007 by Boondock78]



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by SIEGE

When in fact, these specific firemen were told a. of time that they
would be part of the "community" celebration, that it was an annual event,
and that normally the local fire department was invited to participate by
sending a truck and crew to be in the parade.

What's really wrong with that? Nothing ! Nothing !

The "duty" crew was assigned to
represent the local fire department in the parade. Nobody singled out,
no group singled out, just plain old fair scheduling. If you happened to be
on "duty" that day, that was your job as a fireman that day.



in total, 100% agreement with all of this...that is EXACTLY it.

thse guys felt demeaned or thought they would be ridiculed or by golly even stabbed...being the tough fireman they are...
what a friggin crock....you can smell the stench through the monitor



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by SIEGE
When in fact, these specific firemen were told a. of time that they
would be part of the "community" celebration, that it was an annual event,
and that normally the local fire department was invited to participate by
sending a truck and crew to be in the parade.


and a. of time they asked their supervisor if there was someone who could do it instead, like maybe thepeople who volunteered for it?


I believe the boss used logical, common-sensed based
management decisions in sending the "duty" crew that day. Keeping all
other things even, the "gays" weren't chosen, the volunteers weren't
chosen, . . .nobody was chosen. The "duty" crew was assigned to
represent the local fire department in the parade. Nobody singled out,
no group singled out, just plain old fair scheduling. If you happened to be
on "duty" that day, that was your job as a fireman that day.



no if they were on duty their job is first and foremost public safety. they should have been at the fire house waiting for an emergency, as is their DUTY....

and there were people who volunteered...let them go...when you force people to go you get complaints...when people volunteer, you normally dont get complaints....


p.s. i have some gay friends, but i would never attend a gay pride parade.

and being from "hicksville" indiana...the only parades i saw firefighters in were the support america parades, such as memorial day, veterans day, and independence day...they didnt even participate in the local circus parade...even tho the circus was the largest event of the year for that particular town...

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posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
To those of you that think the firefighters are making a mountain out of a molehill, let me ask you a question.

Would you attend a support rally for Bush if your boss told you to?



In less than a heartbeat!

And You can sure as HECK bet that I'd be the one all the cameras zoomed in on when I started asking questions of the "Puppet-In-Chief"!


Never send a Rebel in to do a Sheeple's j-aaaaaahhh-b!



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 08:04 PM
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There is nothing natural about homosexuality. If it were natural then we would all be hermaphrodites (according to your "theory" of evolution). Call me anything you want but I don't treat anyone with any less respect than they show me. That doesn't mean I have to agree with how they live their lives.


I will take that as an attack of the way I life my life then? I could say there is nothing natural about hetrosexuality either. You have just shown disrespect with your opening comment....



These guys felt uncomfortable in a situation they felt pressured into. One poster said that if it had been a parade of women at the beach (paraphrasing) that they wouldn't have a problem. Well no sh$t! what in the world are you trying to prove there, that they actually have preferences?


Its not as if anyone who was involved in that pride parade were going up to them, flirting or, saying anything to them is it? If the fire officers are reverring to lewd acts such as kissing? (Assuming this is what they are refferring to), and if those who were kissing was arrested, then that would be rather ridiculous to say the least...



To turn it all around, what if your boss was a Christian and told you to attend a Christian event to show support?


If im on duty, then I would abide by the company rules, if I wasnt on duty, as was paid overtime for attending then, I would. Or promote a Community Public Image for the Fire Station or Company which I represent, then yes I would attend.

I have noticed the some members are using homophobic remarks. (lesbo), (boss is an activist lesbo), with regards to the Supervisor, as I am a Gay myself, I find these remarks rather offensive and insulting. I also think it is rather surprising that no mods have intevened and asked for the homophobic remarks to stop.



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by wenfieldsecret
and a. of time they asked their supervisor if there was someone who could do it instead, like maybe thepeople who volunteered for it?

^^they asked, she said no...just cause you ask don't mean you get


no if they were on duty their job is first and foremost public safety. they should have been at the fire house waiting for an emergency, as is their DUTY....

^^do you have the firemans manuel where it says this? seriously. do you know all the ins and outs, the logistics of how a firehouse works? you might be correct, but i would like to know.

a..when you force people to go you get complaints...when people volunteer, you normally dont get complaints....

^^what force was involved...how did the female fireman force the male fireman to go to the parade of the gays?

p.s. i have some gay friends, but i would never attend a gay pride parade.

^^cool

and being from "hicksville" indiana
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this wasn't hicksville indiana
frisco though...had to be an agenda



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by spencerjohnstone


I have noticed the some members are using homophobic remarks. (lesbo), (boss is an activist lesbo), with regards to the Supervisor, as I am a Gay myself, I find these remarks rather offensive and insulting.


yeah, peoples true colors tend to come out in many ways when this topic comes up...



posted on Aug, 8 2007 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
To those of you that think the firefighters are making a mountain out of a molehill, let me ask you a question.

Would you attend a support rally for Bush if your boss told you to?


Have we stopped all Christian led prayers at government or sponsored events?

You may not see that as the same thing - - but I do.



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