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Originally posted by jsobecky
The fact remains: it is illegal, and the firefighters would not have been in that position if not for the actions of the supervisor.
Plus, why are these men working under a lesbian in the first place if being around gay people makes them uncomfortable? Or is it just male gay people?
Originally posted by dgtempe
Sexually harrassed my foot. Looked over by the gays? Wow, what a horrible thing to happen
It is their homophobia and paranoia making them think this.
Originally posted by dgtempe
How the heck were they Harassed??
That's a load of crap.
Originally posted by dgtempe
I highly doubt anything like that went on.
Originally posted by dgtempe
Maybe they're pissed because they didnt get any "attention"
Originally posted by dgtempe
Nothing or nobody can bother ME unless i allow it to bother me.
Originally posted by dgtempe
A simple message that i am not interested would suffice and i doubt i'd be "raped" by any of them
Originally posted by ATruGod
There is a difference.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I doubt you would like it if your children or SO were the target of that kind of harassment. Yet you choose to attack the firefighters and defend the antagonists. Your values and priorities are skewed, imo.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Public employees are not permitted to support a political candidate or agenda while on taxpayer time. End of story.
are we positive it was a political agenda? either way, i fail to see how their presence ='s support.....
Putting your employees in a position where they must endure someone waving their genitals at them is sexual harassment, plain and simple. Your values and priorities are skewed, imo.
Originally posted by Griff
Originally posted by RedEyes
No I don't. A similar incident to what you describe happened in the UK not so long ago. A pharmacist refused to sell a customer the morning after pill as it was against her beliefs. I do not believe that this lady had the right to refuse to sell the morning after pill either.
We are talking about their religious beliefs. I am not religious but I do understand how some people are deeply religious and their religious beliefs take priority in their lives - not that I agree, but I understand.
Why do these 2 statements seem to be conflicting?
Originally posted by Spawwwn
Boondock78 = It's not about being "scared" of gays. It's about these men being forced to do something against their will.They don't agree with the gay lifestyle and didn't want to be around it. How can you fault them for that? Just because someone lives a certain way, doesn't mean it's the duty of everyone else to accomodate them, or to support them.
^^forced to do something agaisnt their will? you guys(supporters of these fireman) and the fireman themselves are being so dramatic...the fireman were 'forced' to do this against their will.
in what way were they 'forced'? do we know that?
did they object to their boss, AT THE TIME, in any fashion? do we know that?
did they grumble and bitch about it under their breath or did they make it known? i am more curious here than anything.
also, i have had a lot of jobs now...there is of course a handbook and a job description for all of these jobs....in every one of those jobs, i guarantee you i was asked to do something not in the description...that is in fact, 'how it works'....
i think they are making quite the fuss over this when it was in fact nothing..
being there does not equal support...
would they save a homosexual from a burning building? if no, then we have a serious problem..if yes, that does not mean they support their lifestyle now does it? also if yes, they will risk their life to save the homosexuals life, but they won't stand in the parade????hmmmmm
i am just asking here. if they do not discriminate when they go into burning buildings, why discriminate outside of them?
i don't see howing going to a parade you were told to go to is accomodating to them or suporting them?
did the members of the parade ask them to be there or th boss? he was not accomodating anyone.
as far as how can i fault them? easy
they seems like bigots to me...i could be wrong. but thats how i fault them. they seem like a highschol jock turd that is scare he is gonna get teh homo disease if he is around them....just my opinion. i am entitled to it.
It's not wrong to not want to hang around gays
^^correct? i guess it is all in the wording...if you're on duty and the boss says go to this parade, when i come home at the end of the day and my wife asks me what i did, i wouldn't say i 'hung out with gays' today, cause thats not what it was. but, since thise guy seems like he is a bigot, that is probably exactly what he will say.
Just because we tolerate something, doesn't mean we have to support/approve of it.
^^and just because you attend a gay parade does not mean you support/approve of it...thats like the 10th time now
There's a difference between simply not associating with a certain type of people, and going out and killing a member of a certain group you don't like.
^^^uh, yeah. i never called him a murderer though, just a cray baby bigot...for the record
Last time i checked, it's the fire departments job to put out FIRES..unless there was a fire at the parade i see no reason for them to be REQUIRED to be there.
then why are they ALWAYS at the st paddy's day parade? see, their job description involves more than just putting out fires...they get cats out of trees, they get into cars that have been in accidents. they partake in COMMUNITY events.....
hell, i bet they even clean things and wash those trucks back at the station...ALL kinds of things that are not putting out fire.
They weren't being require to "do their job" they were being required to show support for something they didn't want to show support for.
^^i thought the were asked/told to attend
Last time i checked it was america and i could vote for or against anything i want.
^^it is and you can
If i don't want to show support to the gays, i won't.
^^ok. don't support 'the gays'....how do you feel about 'the blacks'?
These firemen felt that they were put in a demeaning situation
^^^BINGO>>>DING DING>>>>the fireman thought it was demeaning and didn't want to be anywhere near 'the gays' so, he cries...makes sense to me.
why don't i leave you on in isolated area with a group of men. How comfortable will you feel?
^^were they to be on an isolated island with 'the gays'?
Parents, how about you let a convicted sex offender babysit your kids..does that feel comforable?
^^^your reach is longer than yao mings dude...from homosexual to sex offender and the baby...when is animal play going to appear? it always does
They did not feel comfortable because they might have been subject to ridicule
^^^poor adult firemen that can't handle ridicule...my heart really goes out to them
Heck they are even putting themselves at risk because maybe someone might come up and stab them at the parade because they are associating with gays.
^^oh man oh man...bwuahahahahahah..THAT is funny. now you are REALLY reaching......
Bottom line is that there was nothing critical to their job, that required them to be there.
^^does their jon involve only critical things? cat in a tree? how does that rate on the critical scale?
Because of that fact..you can't blame them for complaining..and you also can't get mad at the rest of us for sticking up for them. This is america, they have the right to peacefully assemble..and the rest of us have to right to stay as far away as we like.
Originally posted by SIEGE
When in fact, these specific firemen were told ahead of time that they
would be part of the "community" celebration, that it was an annual event,
and that normally the local fire department was invited to participate by
sending a truck and crew to be in the parade.
What's really wrong with that? Nothing ! Nothing !
The "duty" crew was assigned to
represent the local fire department in the parade. Nobody singled out,
no group singled out, just plain old fair scheduling. If you happened to be
on "duty" that day, that was your job as a fireman that day.
Originally posted by SIEGE
When in fact, these specific firemen were told ahead of time that they
would be part of the "community" celebration, that it was an annual event,
and that normally the local fire department was invited to participate by
sending a truck and crew to be in the parade.
I believe the boss used logical, common-sensed based
management decisions in sending the "duty" crew that day. Keeping all
other things even, the "gays" weren't chosen, the volunteers weren't
chosen, . . .nobody was chosen. The "duty" crew was assigned to
represent the local fire department in the parade. Nobody singled out,
no group singled out, just plain old fair scheduling. If you happened to be
on "duty" that day, that was your job as a fireman that day.
Originally posted by jsobecky
To those of you that think the firefighters are making a mountain out of a molehill, let me ask you a question.
Would you attend a support rally for Bush if your boss told you to?
There is nothing natural about homosexuality. If it were natural then we would all be hermaphrodites (according to your "theory" of evolution). Call me anything you want but I don't treat anyone with any less respect than they show me. That doesn't mean I have to agree with how they live their lives.
These guys felt uncomfortable in a situation they felt pressured into. One poster said that if it had been a parade of women at the beach (paraphrasing) that they wouldn't have a problem. Well no sh$t! what in the world are you trying to prove there, that they actually have preferences?
To turn it all around, what if your boss was a Christian and told you to attend a Christian event to show support?
Originally posted by wenfieldsecret
and ahead of time they asked their supervisor if there was someone who could do it instead, like maybe thepeople who volunteered for it?
^^they asked, she said no...just cause you ask don't mean you get
no if they were on duty their job is first and foremost public safety. they should have been at the fire house waiting for an emergency, as is their DUTY....
^^do you have the firemans manuel where it says this? seriously. do you know all the ins and outs, the logistics of how a firehouse works? you might be correct, but i would like to know.
a..when you force people to go you get complaints...when people volunteer, you normally dont get complaints....
^^what force was involved...how did the female fireman force the male fireman to go to the parade of the gays?
p.s. i have some gay friends, but i would never attend a gay pride parade.
^^cool
and being from "hicksville" indiana
[edit on 8-8-2007 by wenfieldsecret]
Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
I have noticed the some members are using homophobic remarks. (lesbo), (boss is an activist lesbo), with regards to the Supervisor, as I am a Gay myself, I find these remarks rather offensive and insulting.
Originally posted by jsobecky
To those of you that think the firefighters are making a mountain out of a molehill, let me ask you a question.
Would you attend a support rally for Bush if your boss told you to?