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Originally posted by Boondock78
hopefully this case gets tossed out or they get a judge that is not a homophobe...i really will hate to see any type of reward given to these jerks
Originally posted by Griff
I wonder what the difference would be if these guys were ordered to attend Mardi Gras. Would they still be whining?
Originally posted by Boondock78
*this is all my opinion and speculation but after reading the article and the comlaint, that is what i believe at this time
Oh, really? That's what you've "tended to find", is it? Well, hell, why didn't you say so before - that makes you an expert on the subject and on my motives.
Originally posted by ubermunche bigotry, overt,
Originally posted by Boondock78
i could have refused and i could have been fired.
sometimes, in the real world you have to play by teh big boy rules and when the boss says go, you don't go.
these guys went. and cried.
Originally posted by Wig
Or were they ordered to march in the parade?
There was a similar case in the UK this year, firefighters or police refused to attend a gay parade, they were heavily diciplined for their refusal.
However if they were ordered to march in the parade that would be wrong.
San Diego fire chief Tracy Jarman, an open lesbian, said she apologized to the men, according to a statement. Jarman said any kind of sexual harassment is "unacceptable, and is never tolerated" in the department.
"I am deeply concerned and troubled by the allegations that have been made. I take them seriously," Jarman said in a statement.
Originally posted by ubermunche
To be honest with you, as a gay man I'd rather they didn't go. Who wants people there that don't approve of you, like spectres at the feast.
Originally posted by Griff
Originally posted by jsobecky
face the fact that gays are not universally accepted, and will never be. Forcing the issue only tends to make their case weaker and their opponents more stubborn.
Who's the one being transparent here. All I'll say. BTW, you got nerve. To sit there and argue with someone who has said they agree with you takes balls.
Originally posted by Boondock78
Originally posted by jsobecky
If your boss told you to attend one of these lovefests or else face suspension, I'd say you had a pretty good case of sexual harassment going for you.
^^^there you go again...true colors coming out? it was not a love fest, it was a march....silly head
Originally posted by Boondock78
all your little cryptic type paragraphs reveal much about you my friend...thats cool though.
i just want to know the real reasons behind supporting the fireman.
so far, i have heard that it is illegal, it was a political agenda, the city had low resources, etc etc...
imo, those are but excuses
Originally posted by ubermunche
Oh, really? That's what you've "tended to find", is it? Well, hell, why didn't you say so before - that makes you an expert on the subject and on my motives.
Well who tweaked your nose hair mate, get a grip and read the qualifying addendum which basically says that might not be the case with you.
Originally posted by ubermunche
I think there reasons for not wanting to attend are skewed and based on prejudice but that's there problem not mine.
[Originally posted by Wig
I'm not exactly looking forward to reading 10 pages of itty bitty information or disinformation. So can someone say please...
Were they there on duty just like there would be police & ambulance crews there?
Or were they ordered to march in the parade?
Originally posted by Boondock78
Originally posted by ubermunche bigotry, overt,
2 key words....it's all over in this thread, it's just written in cryptic ways.
Originally posted by jsobecky
They were ordered to participate in the parade. Iow, to show support for the gay/lesbian agenda.
I see you think the same as jsobecky above that they were not on firefighting duty in attendance of a large public gathering. Please provide the evidence that backs this assertion up. Thanks
Djohnsto77,
They simply didn't want to attend an extracurricular activity that they had no interest in
douglas2k4,
To answer your question, yes--they were on duty
Originally posted by Wig
I see you think the same as jsobecky above that they were not on firefighting duty in attendance of a large public gathering. Please provide the evidence that backs this assertion up. Thanks
Djohnsto77,
They simply didn't want to attend an extracurricular activity that they had no interest in
Originally posted by djohnsto77
The complaint makes it clear they were in an off-duty fire engine and parading in the parade, they were not there in any official duty as safety officers.
PDF Complaint
[edit on 8/11/2007 by djohnsto77]
[Can you acknowledge that prejudice is a normal and necessary part of life? It is a basic instinct that ensures survival. Without prejudice, we would exercise indiscriminate choices in every endeavor, which is not healthy.