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posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 05:40 AM
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Hey, Zorgon I could do with one of those critters u2u's too you know.

Please.

Pretty please.




posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 05:44 AM
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Zorgon, Thanks for the reply and links will be studying in detail (throughout the night!! - I'm on landline, - I'm not cheap, just broke!!)
Thanks for the .s up. Keep up the good - ney - brilliant work that you and John are doing on sticking it to the tax payer funded cover up job.




posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 06:02 AM
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ARISTARCHUS PART THREE

Lets play with Fusion Reactors a bit shall we?

First my Favorite...

A Levitating Dipole Fusion Confinement Concept...

The Earth is a Dipole... just FYI


Now levitating means just that... stick this gizmo into a spacecraft and guess what the spacecraft levitates as well and another word for levitation is.... ?


Okay its a fusion reactor powered by Helium 3 that stuff that's lying around all over the moon, several trillion metric tons

"It has been estimated that helium 3 would have a cash value of $5.7 billion a ton in terms of its current energy equivalent to oil at



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by sherpa

But I am just a guy of the street a, guy the an Astro Physicists degree might have more luck with the right story, and you might even get much more, just a thought.



Hi Sherpa,
I will see what i can do....i didnt mention where i work.......i will just say Darmstadt......space related.

I may have some connections on the Smart 1 mission, and will ask some collegues.

Peace.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 06:51 AM
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NEW INFO

Just spoke to Mr. Panov at the institute. We can take the 2 meter telescope November this year - not earlier, because of other reservations. Payment is 150 EURO per night (approx. 200 USD).

I asked him about those coordinates John gave me. I ask him also that i heard of restrictions in photographing the moon - he said there will be no restrictions and that "the sky is ours - do what you want".

So it will be possible to do it. He just said he need an "official letter" from the persons involved in this. I think it would be great if we have your name as a "backup" John. Something like a lead director of the project.

Comments?



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by absente
NEW INFO

Just spoke to Mr. Panov at the institute. We can take the 2 meter telescope November this year - not earlier, because of other reservations. Payment is 150 EURO per night (approx. 200 USD).

I asked him about those coordinates John gave me. I ask him also that i heard of restrictions in photographing the moon - he said there will be no restrictions and that "the sky is ours - do what you want".

So it will be possible to do it. He just said he need an "official letter" from the persons involved in this. I think it would be great if we have your name as a "backup" John. Something like a lead director of the project.

Comments?



FANTASTIC NEWS! I will try to do my best to come in November, but it will probably have to be a weekend as i am restricted in November, but will make time.

PM me for my name and email address, so we can talk privately about this.

Peace.

[edit on 14-8-2007 by 1234567]



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:09 AM
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Thanks for this thread. I have been totally absorbed. I just want to go out and buy a telescope myself. I am fascinated by the fact that the moon may be hollow. I am a follower of the hollow earth theory (another topic altogether) and would love to know more about the moons history. You may be making history in November when you get access to a decent telescope....



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by absente
NEW INFO

Just spoke to Mr. Panov at the institute. We can take the 2 meter telescope November this year - not earlier, because of other reservations. Payment is 150 EURO per night (approx. 200 USD).

I asked him about those coordinates John gave me. I ask him also that i heard of restrictions in photographing the moon - he said there will be no restrictions and that "the sky is ours - do what you want".

So it will be possible to do it. He just said he need an "official letter" from the persons involved in this. I think it would be great if we have your name as a "backup" John. Something like a lead director of the project.

Comments?



Absente, i sent you a U2U.

Peace.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:59 AM
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We are now arranging with 1234567 our meeting in Bulgaria, it's now 100% confirmed that we will do this.

I arranged a second meeting with Dr. Panov at the end of this month to see the Observatory at place, make some pictures and gather additional information about it's capability (and of course make the reservation of the telescope).

As we all know that ATS is monitored by different organizations i prefer not to say when exactly we will do the pictures. I assume there will be the possibility to upload them directly from the location to the ATS forum via PC or using a cellphone.

If anyone else is interested in participating, helping whatever, please write a U2U to 1234567 or me or make a post in this thread.

I hope we have ATS's blessings for the project



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:16 AM
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Hi 123 and absente,

I know Johns up at the mine for a couple of days so we will not here from him, but for my part I wish you both good luck.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 03:12 PM
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a most excellent display of proof indisputable! my hearty thanks go out to all of you working hard to prove what is really going on. zorgon, your work is impeccable!




boy, Sir Patrick Alfred Caldwell-Moore knows how to kick it up! are you sure he's looking at the moon images. looks like he's eying up a shot of jamisons!

carry on!!


jimbo



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by jamestkirk
a most excellent display of proof indisputable! my hearty thanks go out to all of you working hard to prove what is really going on. zorgon, your work is impeccable!

boy, Sir Patrick Alfred Caldwell-Moore knows how to kick it up! are you sure he's looking at the moon images. looks like he's eying up a shot of jamisons!

carry on!!

jimbo


You can spare us with your ironic posting, this thread is to important (if not for you, for other people) to discuss drinking habits or other irrelevant to the subject things.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by absente
I hope we have ATS's blessings for the project



Well you have mine, John's and the Pegasus team's support... any letter you need I can put on our letter. and attach a note from John as well..

And Pegasus was born on ATS



Now then would Chorlton or Idlic please answer the question about the structure anomaly I posted and why the dust cloud spreads over a wide area in the Smart 1 impact? You guys scream for evidence, but don't respond when asked a direct question about a specific item.. I respectfully ask that you address these two items

Thank you



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by jamestkirk
boy, Sir Patrick Alfred Caldwell-Moore knows how to kick it up! are you sure he's looking at the moon images. looks like he's eying up a shot of jamisons!


Thanks Cap't...
and if you want to take a proper tour of Copernicus let me know Its hard to follow the moon thread as its huge but I can show you a set of the better clips that might be easier to see...

Okay since you brought up Sir Patrick.... I need to add a little more that involves him...

Its funny how when you look for evidence of one thing, you find other goodies that may even be better..

First... I assume you all know that NASA has lost those high resolution Apollo 11 tapes, yes? Now think about this, as I have heard people say, "Oh sure...its easy to misplace something like that..."

But these films were on 70 mm film Ever see the film can from an Imax theater? And they lost MANY of theses as well as boxes of still photos... (we estimated it would take to 10 ft U-Hauls's to carry the stuff...

Never mind that right now here is the important stuff... I will take short clips...


This article was January 2007 so its still recent news...

As Neil Armstrong prepared to take his "one small step" onto the moon in July 1969, a specially hardened video camera tucked into the lander's door clicked on to capture that first human contact with the lunar surface. The ghostly images of the astronaut's boot touching the soil record what may be the most iconic moment in NASA history, and a major milestone for mankind.

Millions of television viewers around the world saw those fuzzy, moving images and were amazed, even mesmerized. What they didn't know was that the Apollo 11 camera had actually sent back video far crisper and more dramatic -- spectacular images that, remarkably, only a handful of people have ever seen.



So there is another example of what you WERE NOT allowed to see...


NASA engineers who did view them knew what the public was missing, but the relatively poor picture quality of the broadcast images never became an issue because the landing was such a triumph. The original, high-quality lunar tapes were soon stored and forgotten.


Wow imagine that... I recall that John was saying something about that



Many months later, disappointed officials now report that the trail they followed has gone cold. Although the search continues, they acknowledge that the videos may be lost forever.


Well that sucks....

But John... I have a little present for you... Remember the documents about the Australian bases? Well here is more to add to that...

Now John has repeatedly said the images FIRST went to Australia... then on to Goldstone or where ever..


Okay so here it comes....



It was only for Apollo 11 that an unusually configured video feed was used. It was transmitted from the moon to ground sites in Australia and the Mojave Desert in California, where technicians reformatted the video for broadcast and transmitted long-distance over analog lines to Houston. A lot of video quality was lost during that process, turning clear, bright images into gray blobs and oddly moving shapes -- what Lebar now calls a "bastardized" version of the actual footage.


Okay John here is the Location.... we need to contact your friend in Australia and get us a copy



In 2002, one of the men who had worked at Australia's Honeysuckle Creek ground station in 1969 -- and who had seen the high-quality Apollo 11 video originals back then -- found a 14-inch reel of tape in his garage that seemed to be from that period. He brought it to a Honeysuckle Creek reunion and passed it around.



The photos were of the original images -- not the ones reformatted for television -- and they were clearly much better than what everyone else had seen.


So there you have it folkes... Another piece of the story John has been trying to tell you is confirmed... Apollo images went to Australia first, then low quality processed images went on to the USA for the public...

SOURCE THE WASHINGTON POST

I think this info ought to be good for a lunch...


Now then How does our eminent British astronomer Sir Patrick Moore fit into this?

I am glad you asked me....




An even more bazaar twist... Sir Patrick Moore, a famous British Astronomer....

"Moore has carried out important work in the field of astronomy. It was revealed in a TV program that when the Russians wanted accurate information on the Moon over a number of years, they first went to America then other countries for the information but could not turn it up. Then someone suggested Patrick Moore and on going to his house and asking him, they were invited in. Moore left them and returned with a pile of exercise books with all the necessary information in, his records of observations over many years which is how in 1959, the Soviet Union used his charts of the moon to correlate their first pictures of the far side with his mapped features on the near side and he was involved in the lunar mapping used by the NASA Apollo space missions. In 1965, he was appointed Director of the newly constructed Armagh Planetarium, a post he held until 1968.

During the Apollo program, he was one of the presenters of BBC television's coverage of the moon landing missions. The tapes of these broadcasts no longer exist: conflicting stories have circulated as to what precisely happened to them, or whether the broadcasts were recorded at all."


-Wikipedia - Sir Patrick Moore




So the Russians didn't trust NASA and got their Moon data from Sir Patrick

And the British Moon tapes are also MISSING????


Okay guys its time to wake up and smell the coffee...


Now I have a few more specific questions to answer and then Aristarchus Part Four


[edit on 14-8-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by jamestkirk
from what i've read about the end of the clementine mission is that the spacecraft returned to earth for a 'lunar/earth transfer orbit' as planned, but the craft ended up staying in earth orbit because of a malfunction, burning all of the fuel and causing it to spin at 80 rpm. yet they somehow managed to get it in a geocentric orbit and pass through the van allen belt. hhhmmm, seems kinda hard to do once you're out of fuel and spinning??



Here is the whole scoop on the Clementine Mission... with all related documents and technical reports...

ClementinE Mission - the Living Moon

Read the parts highlighted in red... you want proof of not being told what's going on, here it is ina black and red...
Of course I expect the skeptics won't read it

And in 2006 the Department of Defense just released a news briefing... LOL

2006!
for a news briefing dated Tuesday, December 3, 1996 - 1:45 p.m. Now THATS what I call speedy

Subject (your gonna love this one)

Discovery of Ice on the Moon

I am going to take three excerpts from that 9 page document

Abstract One: Re: Water Ice on the Moon


A: As I mentioned, what we can tell from looking at the radar return is roughly the area that is covered by this. Assuming it reflects ice like ice on Mercury -- making that assumption.That's been well looked at. Then in order to see this back scatter effect, this roadside reflector effect; it's estimated that we have to see some number of wavelengths of our radar into the ice. In reviewing the paper, several of the reviewers posited we probably need to see somewhere between 50 and 100 wavelengths. So our wavelength is about six inches. So at the thickest case, it's roughly 50 feet.

Q: That translates to what in volume?

A: We were very conservative in the press release, but if you take basically 100 square kilometers by roughly 50 feet, you get a volume of something like a quarter of a cubic mile, I think it's on that order. It's a considerable amount, but it's not a huge glacier or anything like that.

Q: Can you compare that with something you know?

A: It's a lake. A small lake.


So water on the Moon... and plenty of it... now why would they not want us to know that?

It has also been suggested that Clementine was actually part of Star Wars.... seems those people were right...

Abstract Two: Re: Clementine and Starwars


A: However, there is still a space-borne component to our theater and national missile defense architecture, and that is the space-based infrared satellite. That will allow us to dotracking, particularly in boost and in the mid-course phases of the trajectory of a ballistic missile. So all the technologies that were demonstrated on Clementine are technologies that we would hope would be either used or would be the grand-daddies of technologies that we would eventually use in our space surveillance platforms. So that part of the space architecture is still very much alive.

Q: But the role of the so-called Star Wars system now has shifted to more of a surveillance, as opposed to shooting something down...

A: No, it is still based on shooting down ballistic missiles by impact with interceptors. So this technology is
important in order to track and pass the track files on to the interceptors in order to allow them to hit their targets. So it's very much a part of the architecture.



Right from the mouth of the Horse.... and last, but not least, a perfect answer to the mystery of my page...

Wherefore Art Thou Clementine...

Abstract Three: Re: Where is Clementine Now



Q: Where is Clementine now?

A: The spacecraft, as you know, from the name Clementine, is only supposed to be here for a short period of time and be lost and gone forever, so it was intended for a very short period of time after this lunar mission, did a rendezvous with the earth, and shortly after that was shifted by the moon's gravity and continued a flight which will bring it back near the earth about nine years from now. So it's an 11 year total flight around the sun. So basically it's moving like a little planet around the sun, and it will bring it back close to us in about nine years... It's two years since it left us so it will be another nine years before it's back. (2005) But it's not useful right now. The mission is finished.

Q: But unlike it's namesake, it's not lost and gone forever. It will be back?

A: It will be back...


Okay, so we have a lake on the Moon that is a hundred square kilometers in area and 50 feet deep. Clementine WAS a Starwars program and its still out there...

Ar Arnold says..."I'll be back!" Not bad for a little lost spacecraft...

Notice: This site is a .mil secured site... they track all activity
Source Document Department of Defense Archives

As I have said before, not all info comes from NASA, they too are in the dark about a great many things....




see you on the dark side of the moon...


You mean FARSIDE... there is no darkside of the Moon



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Quasar
Wow, John. That is absolutely amazing. At first I was thinking, "this guys a kook." But after illustrating the outline of that structure, I might be on the first step on agreeing with you.


Welcome abord, matey... All the data collected is in the library at thelivingmoon.com...


Originally posted by RedEyes

1) Are you saying that the picture you posted from Apollo 15 is airbrushed? Or are you saying that the powers that be physically cleared the area before the photo was taken?


Third possibility Camoflage... remember Guy Cramer with the Helium 3? Well hold that thought... and remember that name



2) I'm sure you must have been asked this one before, but here goes - How is it that you came to have access to so much varied information relating to conspiracies, ufos etc ? What I mean is usually someone will provide information that specifically relates to one or two subjects as they have had direct access, but you seem to have information that relates to many varied "secret" subjects.


Well let me answer this from my point of view and maybe you will understand. When I started here at ATS I was not seriously studying these topics though I had a ken interest going back 35 years. That's how I found ATS. Then as I worked the Moon thread and created the web pages, people started writing... All those hundreds of thousands that watch ATS and are mostly silent, from time to time have something to say. Once you build a level of trust, you get stuff in the mail, on moon images, on ufo's and all the other subjects that seem to go hand in hand.

You would be surprised at the source of some of those email addresses and the people who write... from that you ought to be able to understand that these people are HERE watching and sharing what they can.. John has benn doing this for years, and has internal connections going back years...

I started this over a year ago and already my contacts and my visitors make an impressive list. Like attratcs like... hope that helps



Originally posted by merryxmas
These pictures are very interesting indeed. I'm most interested in the 3(i believe is the number) defense contractors that have exclusive rights to all the moon's minerals. If the reactor is there to process Helium 3 then qui bono?


Quite correct Dr. Joseph Resnick, Dr. Timothy R. O'Neill and Guy Cramer

Resnick is NASA connected hold several top secret patents and is quite famous, O'Neill I cannot find anything on and I told you all to remember Guy Cramer

First check out whats valuable on the Moon... Notice all those minerals are concentrated around Aristarcus and Copernicus

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Then have a look at who these three are and how they have held those rights for over 25 years

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Now then back to Guy Cramer...

He in partners with the other two, owns a Stealth tech company... their last big project was HARRP in Alaska... what is it they specialize in you ask?

Well the company name is HyperStealth Biotechnology Corp


Here is the HARRP project written by Guy Cramer


Here is a sample of what they do...

Now You See it...



Now you don't...



Thats gonna make it real hard to see moon building now




Any idea on the intention of the base?


Yes but that presentation and proof of the base is not ready yet... It will come soon... watch for "The Secrets of Tsiolkovsky" There is a LOT more data to collect and process



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posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by 1234567
So we have some questions to get clear....

1) Are there really bases on the moon ?


Yes there are.. and we had them there in the 60's BEFORE Apollo... That data is being processed and will be ready soon... Its kinda my smoking gun... or more in context "Still Glowing Phaser Cannon"



2) Do these Infrared images show anything but warm rocks ?


Don't know its the first ones I have seen...



3) Why has there not been any Infrared images made by NASA ?


Probably because they would show more than just warm rocks...





4) Do Moon craters retain more heat that the surrounding landscape ?


Most likely as the crater walls would act like an oven BUT if there is no atmosphere on the Moon what would hold the heat? NASA says that the shaded side of a space suit gets cold real fast, so what holds the heat? One report has Tycho still "hot" after 96 hours

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5) John, where abouts are these Moon Swimming Pools, heated with solar panels, would be good to get a pic of a grey taking a dip sipping a Luna Cocktail


Those would be on the Farside... and I have not noticed any greys out there




Originally posted by mrRviewer

the article or story i read also said there is records in ancient human history of its arrival, no such thing ever existed and then poof next theres the moon.


Yes there are many ancient tribal legends that do indeed state that there was indeed a time when there was no moon. We are tracking down these old legends... If anyone has some please link them for us. That would put the appearance of the moon in recorded (at least verbal) history. I wonder if the Abo's have such a tale... they have been here a very long time...



i also wonder what in fared pictures would look like on the dark side. "dark side yeah" they said that was another reason it was artificial was because it didn't rotate.


We really need to get this point straight people... THERE IS NO DARKSIDE OF THE MOON... It is the Farside, the side we vever see, but the Moon DOES ROTATE ONCE for every orbit of Earth... exactly... That is why it always shows the same face, but the Farside gets just as much sun as the nearside... If you have trouble with this take a basket ball and a tennis ball and a lamp. Put a mark on the tennis ball and keep that facing the "Earth" as you move it around the basketball... you will see what I mean... and how eclipses work to boot...

Please THERE IS NO DARKSIDE




anyway the whole argument is mute, its not like us poor civilians here at ats will create a probe to go investigate the moon for our selves. we are but simple folk who only know what we read and watch on the boob tube. Perhaps when space travel becomes commercial i will take a moon tour and figure it out for my self. untill then lets debate!


Now that is a very insulting statement
What makes you assume that there are no people here that are not say in Space Command or other similar positions? And I will have you know that there are several people here seriously involved in research to do just that build a spaceship...

And as you say Commercial trips... Bigelow Aerospace is working on inflatable Hotel modules here in Las Vegas and has already made two launches from Russia, and now has light generated billboards in space (Only in Vegas baby) Arizona just approves starting construction on the 200 billion Spaceport America and the FAA has already license more than 12 private space ports in the US

I hear there is another private venture planning a trip to the Moon at 100 million a ticket and all seats are already sold... (need to find out more on THAT one)

But you would be surprised at the "visitors" at ATS




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posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by 1234567
Are you getting at Atmospheric anomalies here regarding the dust dissipating ?


Hmmm funny how the skeptic fell silent on this one... Well John and I say atmosphere...

Now what other cause would move the dust like that? Remember the area in each square is several kilometers.

If it was a total vacuum... the dust would fall right back in an even pattern around the impact, perhaps in an oblong path due to angle of impact...

It would NOT create a plume and disperse in little clouds as the image clearly shows....

Now this image was taken by Clementine... Now what would make the "Haze" as the sun is going behind the Moon? I have more in the series...


The big bright thing is Venus... and though NASA never shows you, the Navy does show STARS

NASA = "Never A Straight Answer"



Speaking about STARS

Here is our friend Patrick Moore again asking the Apollo Astronauts a question...

Google Video Link



NASA = "Need Another Space Agency"

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posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 09:06 PM
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Zorgon, glad to have you back, great work as always and hope you recover quickly. I am sitting here with one arm in a sling trying to type. I do believe it is time to launch Project Moon Beam it looks like the calvary has arrived. It will take a concerted and team effort as you suggested so ladies and gentlemen man your telescopes.

absente and 1234567 are taking the lead and great job by the way on lining up telescope viewing time for the observatories with absentee spear.ing the 2m Bulgarian Observation Center viewing and 1234567 with the .45m Newton Reflector viewing in Heppenheim, Germany. WOW Rik Riley



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:07 PM
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Zorgon,

What evidence do you have that that photo was taken by a NASA probe? Other than by taking thelivingmoon.com's word for it? It doesn't look like any real photograph of the moon that I've ever seen. It looks more like a photorealistic graphic produced by, say, OMNI magazine.

The commentary on that video seems a bit done in the ol' suspect "I'm just asking questions" vein. They said they couldn't see stars when on the daylight side of the moon. 230,000 miles away the glare of the moon's reflection of sunlight greatly inhibits our ability to see stars here on Earth. With the moon out your window -- or under your feet -- stars would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to see.



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