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UK seeks Guantanamo men release

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posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 05:04 AM
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UK seeks Guantanamo men release


news.bbc.co.uk

The UK government has requested the release of five British residents from US custody at Guantanamo Bay.

The request is a change of policy for the government which had previously said it could not intercede for non-British citizens.

Foreign Secretary David Miliband formally wrote to his US counterpart Condoleezza Rice with the request.
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posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 05:04 AM
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Glad to see our new administration has the balls to ask for the release of British residents from Guantanamo. If these man are guilty, they should be charged in British courts.

In a way, I think this is a soft message of "close the camp" from the American's closet ally.

Will the men be released? I think the United States has no choice really.

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 05:40 AM
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Can you imagine the reaction from David Miliband, if his counterpart turned his requst down. Wonder what that would do the British/US relation then.

Dont think the US will turn the request down unless any of the 5 men have been charged already.



[edit on 7-8-2007 by spencerjohnstone]



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Can you imagine the reaction from David Miliband, if his counterpart turned his request down. Wonder what that would do the British/US relation then.


Due to the relationship we have with America, they have no choice but to release them.

but, if the United States rejected it, would Britain take it to the UN?

I think so.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 06:06 AM
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I think this is actually bigger that it seems - British foreign office has requested release of its residents, not citizens.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Duby78
I think this is actually bigger that it seems - British foreign office has requested release of its residents, not citizens.


yeah i know,

thats why i said "British residents"



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by Duby78
I think this is actually bigger that it seems - British foreign office has requested release of its residents, not citizens.


yeah i know,

thats why i said "British residents"


Infinite, my intention was not to correct you, as what you stated IS correct. My intention was to emphasize that they were not citizens, but only residents - and that is quite a difference.

First, Brown telling Bush Brits will go their own way, and now this... these might be first signals of Britain changing its course.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by Duby78
First, Brown telling Bush Brits will go their own way, and now this... these might be first signals of Britain changing its course.


yeah, the Prime Minister has been planning to pull troops out of Iraq, but he cannot do it yet.

However, something like this is being used as a signal.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Duby78
I think this is actually bigger that it seems - British foreign office has requested release of its residents, not citizens.


Make me un-ingnorant please.
Whats the difference?
Why would you ask for the release of people that are not your citizens?

Technically they are Gitmo residents, arent they?



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by 11Bravo

Originally posted by Duby78
I think this is actually bigger that it seems - British foreign office has requested release of its residents, not citizens.


Make me un-ingnorant please.
Whats the difference?
Why would you ask for the release of people that are not your citizens?

Technically they are Gitmo residents, arent they?


There are many many people living in the UK who have lived here for years that are not 'citizens'. Indeed I have 2 very good frinds who have lived in the UK for over 18 years but are not citizens but residents.
They dont have UK passports or Nationality, but have their own passports and have 'indefinite leave to remain'



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 10:21 AM
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I think, the legal term is "subjects".

If you are not a British citizen, you're a subject of the Crown.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 02:16 PM
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I'm not even a British citizen and I applaud your new administration. I guess it's just that being part of the E.U, I have to show respect to actions which have been long overdue. I wonder how far this'll go. If the U.S doesn't show respect, what will happen? I know Bush has been trying to persuade folks here that everything is fine and dandy, but, that's not really the goal of the new PM. I'm pretty sure he's more worried about the next president.

Then again, why the hell are there even folks in Guantanamo from Britain? Shouldn't they have been sent back to be tried in their own country?

Edit: ^ I mean, Britain isn't exactly looked down upon on the way they handle their prisoners. I can understand not sending people back who are there from countries that handle their prisoners in taboo ways.


[edit on 7-8-2007 by Donoso]



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
Glad to see our new administration has the balls to ask for the release of British residents from Guantanamo. If these man are guilty, they should be charged in British courts.

What about many OTHER men which are being held in Gitmo's around the world, which are not from Britain? Like those from Italy and Germany and Macedonia, which were later released as completly innocent but actually nobody from the U.S. side did not even appologize for that? Why don't they all deserve a trial in the courts of the countries of their origin? Not to mention, that the vast majority of the "residents" in Guantanamo are innocent and are sooner or later released, so I think these British residents shall be released soon too. Just like those 3 guys from that movie Road To Guantanamo. Most of the so-called terrorists there were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 02:56 PM
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Were they picked up in Iraq or off the street of England like the case in Italy? Which now Italy wants to arrest the American CIA ops that took part in the taking of man or men off Italian streets.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 03:19 PM
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Make me un-ingnorant please.
Whats the difference?
Why would you ask for the release of people that are not your citizens?


There are many many people living in the UK who have lived here for years that are not 'citizens'. Indeed I have 2 very good frinds who have lived in the UK for over 18 years but are not citizens but residents.
They dont have UK passports or Nationality, but have their own passports and have 'indefinite leave to remain'


One little thing more - the right to vote.

[edit on 7-8-2007 by Duby78]



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 03:20 PM
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Souljah brings up a point....

At the Gitmo holding facility, there's something like 23 'enemy combatants'
that are ostensibly penciled in, as from countries in North Africa,,,,

Algeria, Morrocco, Tunisia & about 3 other countries ->
but those detainees are adamant that if they get sent back
to any of those North African countries...they will be tortured & killed.



Now, if the 'captives' @ Gitmo, claim that they themselves were actually residents in Britian (& they were only born in those other North African nations)
whose word do you take??

see, if the Americans 'release' Anglos, then the gates are open wide!

i don't see Bush&Co acquiescing to the British request for some prisoners releases...it would complicate matters way too much !

[edit on 7-8-2007 by St Udio]



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
Glad to see our new administration has the balls to ask for the release of British residents from Guantanamo. If these man are guilty, they should be charged in British courts.


I know that the U.S. and Britian are on good terms and that to ask is the gentleman thing to do, but I think that Britian should demand their release. Any other nations would. But then again, there are few other countries on such good terms. Personally, I'm glad to see UK taking a stance and can't wait till we have a new administration over here across the pond.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Souljah
What about many OTHER men which are being held in Gitmo's around the world, which are not from Britain? Like those from Italy and Germany and Macedonia, which were later released as completly innocent but actually nobody from the U.S. side did not even appologize for that? Why don't they all deserve a trial in the courts of the countries of their origin? Not to mention, that the vast majority of the "residents" in Guantanamo are innocent and are sooner or later released, so I think these British residents shall be released soon too. Just like those 3 guys from that movie Road To Guantanamo. Most of the so-called terrorists there were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.


You make excellent.

I think the new UN Human Rights Council should say something. Yeah, the yanks haven't signed the treaty, but still have major influence. The European Court should be supporting all Europeans who are held in Guantanamo.

btw, Road To Guantanamo is an excellent film



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by infinite


Glad to see our new administration has the balls to ask for the release of British residents from Guantanamo. If these man are guilty, they should be charged in British courts.

In a way, I think this is a soft message of "close the camp" from the American's closet ally.

Will the men be released? I think the United States has no choice really.

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)


You very well could be right Mr. Infinite. However, dont look for the US to close down Gitmo just because the brits 'might' want it. I personally believe that it is a place where alot of bad people are currently being held up. Better to keep them somwhere like Gitmo then to have them out roaming the open, attacking coalition soldiers and civilians and such.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 07:39 PM
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This seems like a sticky legal situation. Is anyone familiar with the laws between US and UK about extraditing criminals? And in particular, how those laws have been affected by America's codification of "unlawful combatants?"



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