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Virginia Tech Conspiracy

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posted on Aug, 6 2007 @ 09:49 PM
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The Following are FACTS

1. In order to shoot 2 to 3 shots with both guns in the hand accurately, the person must be a professional (Colombine incident included 2 people,3guns,900 shots=13 deaths)

CSH(Cho Seung Hee) was never trained in the army.
If you have shot a gun before, you would know it is hard to fire a pistol so accurately, in so quick time.

CSH had only bought the guns a month before the shooting. How is it possible for him to shoot so good?

2. Emily, reported to be his girlfriend, is actually not his girlfriend.

3. Emily was not related with CSH in any way, but he went to her dormitory and shot it up.

4. CSH's body had 2 shots in the chest, 1 in the head.
There are 3 common ways of suicidal with gun:
1)shooting from the side of the head
2)shooting throught your mouth
3)Shooting from under your head

The usual suicidal would usually have shots in the sideof the head or the face. CSH, however, had a bullet stuck in the back of his head

Most people who were fired at, got 3 shots. CSH, also was found with 3 shots in his body

There was once a scientific experiment for the Korean army incident- It explained that it is extremely hard to shoot yourself multiple times after being shot in the chest or the head. Again, CSH had 1 shot in the head, 2 shots in the chest.

Why was he shot 3 times, just like the others? Does it make sense that he was shot in such a way?

5. There was no witness to the sucidal scene- The survivors in the scene had ran out of the classroom (someone said the killer's eyes were not Asian but these kinds of sayings were ignored).

What's the truth?

6. Nobody saw CSH's face.

7. The witness's say CSH was an asian with a mask on, and was about 6 ft tall and big.

8. The gun vender described CSH as an Asian. period.
There was no films of CCTV, and no other evidence.

9. The vender said he had sold 50 bullets to CSH.
There were 62 deaths and injuries.
There was no one who died was shot less than 3 times
(32 deaths x 3 shots/death....30 injuries x 2 shots/injury...60 extra bullets)

Calculated, CSH must have had more than 200 shots to make this incident true.

10. The killer had erased the code on the gun. The reciept for the purchase of the gun was found in the killer's bag. What's the possibility of the killer keeping the receipt for the gun after a month?
If anyone would take effort and time to erase the code on the gun, wouldn't they be careful enough to get rid of the receipt?(It's not easy to erase the code. It takes few seconds to get rid of the receipt)

11. The witnessess say the killer did not wear, nor carry any bags. CSH did have a bag.

12. Obviously, the video he had sent, was not made by himself. Even the New York Times pointed this out.

13. According to the Police, the gun at the incident was automatic. Watch the videos and hear the sounds- It's all fired with single shot guns.

Think about it. There are about 10-15 rounds in a pistol, and there were 32 deaths, with 3 shots in each. With both pistols in both hands, it is impossible to reload. Watch the video, shots are constantly fired.

14. CSH had no friends at all, according to the student. Before few days of the incident, he was with 3 Americans. Who were they?

15. In the news, CSH had done this for the hate of the rich people. If this is true, he could have simply shot the classrooms. There was no reason for him to go to the dormitories and kill 2 people, who were not in any relation with CSH.

And why did CSH, after the first shootings, make the video, walk around the school to send it, and then go to the 2nd shootings?

16. When CSH's body was found. His ID was PRESENT. Why was his identity reported later on?

17. The Witness' sayings are not matching correctly. Some say they have not heard any gunfire in their building, but other say they heard it from that building.

18. The photos which were sent to NBC does not match CSH's face.
Observing the eyebrows, eyes, and the face shape, it is different. Some say it's because he has his glasses off. Look again, it does not match CSH.

19. CSH's body was found with the 28 dead bodies in the classroom. The only survivor said, the killer had ran away after killing the 28 people, but CSH was found dead with the other dead bodies

20. The classroom, dormitory, hallways, school gate, the gunshop.
The films of the CCTV were NOT exposed to the public. WHY?


So What's wrong with the reports/news?

-CCTV
-2 guns/amature, yet many students died and many were injured as a professional shooter would have done it
-According to the witness, CSH had apparently left the classroom
-CSH was found dead in the classroom
-The gun code was erased
-The receipt for the gun was found in the bag



These are the theories made about this

-CSH had bought the guns for someone else?
-The killer knew CSH did not have a positive social life
-The killer decided to use CSH
-The killer had planned this out to keep himself covered


One last thing,
The timing is not logical

CSH took 2 hours to get to the 2nd shooting after the 1st.
In 2 hours, it is impossible to film, edit the video, get to the post office and have it in the receiver's inbox.

So the video was made before the incident, with the Killer?


- www.informationliberation.com...

Your thoughts?




posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 03:01 AM
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Even before reading this, I found it hard to believe that one man could do that, and be that accurate, especially with no training and just have purchased the gun prior to that. Columbine has a lot of unexplained stuff to it too that I read about but didn't even realize happend. However, most people won't ever question it because it was a tragedy.



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 04:39 AM
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Here's what I don't get, previously school had been closed due to two bomb threats and an inmate who killed a cop and escaped from a local jail. Yet when there is a shooting on campus they barely mention it ? The pattern here doesn't match at all.

The shootings started @ ~7:15am, no one got warned until ~9am !
MSNBC

"After the scope of the carnage was clear, angry students and employees demanded to know why the first e-mail warning from police and administrators did not go out to them for more than two hours, even though the killer of two people was at large."

The first e-mail warning to students and employees did not go out to students, faculty and staff until 9:26 a.m., more than two hours after the shooting at the dormitory, according to the time stamps on copies obtained by NBC News.


FOX

Last August, the campus was closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard and a sheriff's deputy involved in a massive manhunt. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.

On April 13, the campus closed three of its academic halls after they received a letter stating that explosive devices were in the building. Classes were canceled for the remainder of the day. A bomb threat was also made against Torgerson Hall on April 2.


Wikipedia

Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a smallbore .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun

Cho was seen near the entrance to West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students, about 7 a.m. EDT.[12] The hall is normally locked until 10 a.m. and it is not clear how Cho gained entrance to the facility.

Early reports had suggested that the killing resulted from a domestic dispute between the killer and his supposed former girlfriend Emily Hilscher, whose friends said she had no prior relationship with Cho. In fact, there is no evidence that Cho had ever met or talked with Hilscher.


FOX

The shooter was "wearing a vest covered in clips was just unloading on their door, going from classroom to classroom … they said it never seemed like it was going to stop and there was just blood all over," Harrison said.


How did he get in ?
Was he wearing jacket to cover his clip laden vest ?
The general consensus is that he fired over 200 shots, that's A LOT of bullets for guns that probably carry about 20 some odd rounds a piece.

ABC

He [VT President] said a 911 call reporting a shooting at a dormitory was made at approximately 7:15 a.m. While police were trying to assess what they first believed was a domestic dispute, they received a second 911 call, nearly two and a half hours later, that reported shootings on the opposite side of campus.

It is also not clear what happened between the two shootings -- a gap of two hours. The buildings where they happened are about half a mile apart, a distance one can walk in about 10 minutes, according to Alex Mengel, a freshman at the school.


So this dude is popping off shots like a mad man but the campus doesn't really warn anyone and only a few 9/11 calls are reported ? I don't buy it. I heard ONE gun shot a few months ago and called 9/11 right away as I'm sure my neighbors did too.

What was homeboy doing for those 2hrs ? Making the video ? How strange.

Boston.com

The bloodbath lasted nine minutes -- enough time for Seung-Hui Cho to unleash 170 rounds from his two pistols, or about one shot every three seconds.


Roanoke.com

Seung-Hui Cho fired more than 170 rounds in nine minutes before he shot himself in the head in a classroom as police closed in, authorities said.

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Authorities collected more than 500 pieces of evidence inside Norris Hall alone, including Cho's two pistols. His Glock 9 mm weapon was used in both shootings. The other handgun, a Walther .22-caliber, was used only at Norris.


Impossible. He'd have to reload each gun probably several times. Either the above is not accurate or this guy was using some other type of gun. Even the magazines they suspected him of buying from eBay didn't hold many bullets.

Glock 19 : 15 rounds (stock)
Walther P22 : 10 rounds (stock)

It's worth noting that a .22 and 9mm aren't big guns, the main advantage they offer is a lower rate of recoil vs pure "killing power". Many home defense types shy away from these smaller calibers due to the lack of "stopping power".



posted on Aug, 7 2007 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by Paresthesia

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Your thoughts?


My thoughts are I’d like to see proof of the claims made there.



posted on Aug, 10 2007 @ 12:23 PM
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This is in todays news. .....

Washington Post

Police: Va. Tech Killer May Have Rehearsed
Associated Press
Friday, August 10, 2007; 12:15 PM

Witnesses saw a suspicious male in the Virginia Tech classrooms where 30 people were shot dead and doors to the building were chained shut two days before the massacre, police said Friday.

The man, wearing a hooded sweat shirt, was seen about 10 a.m. on Saturday, April 14, in Norris Hall, said Virginia Tech police chief Wendell Flinchum in the first police news conference in months.


The article goes on to speculate that the "suspicious male" was CHO. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I wonder if a time line of CHO last 72 hours can be put together.



posted on Sep, 26 2007 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Paresthesia

The Following are FACTS........

4. CSH's body had 2 shots in the chest, 1 in the head.
There are 3 common ways of suicidal with gun:
1)shooting from the side of the head
2)shooting throught your mouth
3)Shooting from under your head



Stopped reading here.

Method 4) point weapon at someone with another weapon.
Method 5) brandish the weapon i the first place.
Method 6) through the heart??
Method 7) shoot your self and hope for a quite bad case of blood poisening
Method 8) plenty of other ways


[edit on 26/9/2007 by Now_Then]



posted on Sep, 26 2007 @ 11:02 PM
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the incident at VT has always been a bit strange to me, i don't know what it is but theres just something very odd about the whole situation. a lot of things don't necessarily "add up"



posted on Sep, 26 2007 @ 11:07 PM
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Yeah i've always thought that some things didnt really add up right and were strange altogether on both the Columbine and the VT incidents.

judicial-inc.biz...

judicial-inc.biz...

Thers alot of info here to those who are interested, and also look at the Port Arthur massacre, lots of similarities between these 3 incidents.



posted on Sep, 26 2007 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Paresthesia

1. In order to shoot 2 to 3 shots with both guns in the hand accurately, the person must be a professional (Colombine incident included 2 people,3guns,900 shots=13 deaths)


Maybe he was just firing one gun as you normally would and shooting the other somewhat in the blind. BTW it doesn't take long to learn how to shoot a gun with ok skill.



4. CSH's body had 2 shots in the chest, 1 in the head.
There are 3 common ways of suicidal with gun:
1)shooting from the side of the head
2)shooting throught your mouth
3)Shooting from under your head

Why was he shot 3 times, just like the others? Does it make sense that he was shot in such a way?



For military we are trained 2 in the chest 1 in the head. If we shoot it is 3 bullets each time.




9. The vender said he had sold 50 bullets to CSH.
There were 62 deaths and injuries.
There was no one who died was shot less than 3 times
(32 deaths x 3 shots/death....30 injuries x 2 shots/injury...60 extra bullets)

Calculated, CSH must have had more than 200 shots to make this incident true.


Do they know how many rounds were fired? If there was more than 2 guns then they would know.




-CSH had bought the guns for someone else?
-The killer knew CSH did not have a positive social life
-The killer decided to use CSH
-The killer had planned this out to keep himself covered


I would think even another killer would need to reload and only use the two guns.

I think he made the video before the shooting too, and used the 2 hours to hide out some and to send the video when the cops were not storming the campus. I think the lack of action allowed him to continue on or at another killer to continue.



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 02:08 AM
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CSH's body had 2 shots in the chest, 1 in the head.
Source?



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 03:04 PM
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Here's the questions that must be answered. How many guns were used, and were they on the assailant when his body was recovered? If all the ballistics match the guns he used, where's the conspiracy? Or were there multiple shooters, all sharing the same guns, and one of them agreeing to die at the end of the ordeal? It doesn't take specialized training to kill a lot of people, if they have no escape avenues, and you have enough ammo.



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 09:20 PM
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The Virginia Tech Massacre was, indeed, a covert operation. Erin Sheehan and Park Chang-Min, both conflicted. Park Chang-Min stated that the gunman was wearing a mask, and had a black ammunition jacket on (www.news.com.au...). Erin Sheehan states that they had an ammunition jacket, but does not say they were wearing a mask, rather, they say that the gunman was dressed 'like a boy scout' (www.iol.co.za...). Total411 claims that it has obtained a number of eyewitness accounts that indicate a 6ft tall Chinese man was involved. This indicates 2-3 shooters involved in the massacre (www.conspiracyplanet.com...). The reports of a Chinese gunman would be supported by this media report, which shows that before the ATF stepped in, the identification was leading to a Chinese man. (www.conspiracyplanet.com...)

Charles Mesloh, a criminology professor in Florida, was amazed at how many people Cho was able to kill with the guns he was using with such accuracy. He was amazed at how the killer was able to fire like a trained professional (www.youtube.com...). Cho had only bought the guns a month prior to the massacre (Wikipedia).

Cho's sister, Sun-Kyung Cho, worked for McNeil Technologies, a firm with government links that is involved with defense intelligence projects, continential US operations, military training, and security. McNeil Technologies was a firm that benefited from both Virginia Tech and Columbine. Another such company is Amtelco, which had demand for it's Red Alert System go up 365% after the massacre. The suspicious link here is that Amtelco landed a federal contract when it sold it's Red Alert System to FEMA. (www.channel3000.com...) McNeil Technologies is owned by Veritas Capitol. The founder and president of Veritas Capitol is Robert B. McKeon, a member of the Council On Foreign Relations. (www.veritascapital.com...)

Virginia Tech is an active partner with DARPA, and the CIA recruits students for 'career sessions'. Cathy O'Brien, a mind control victim, states that there is a deep underground research laboratory 7000 feet under Butt Mountain in Blacksburg Virginia. The ROTC has numerous dorms in Virginia Tech. Matt Kazzee said that they were conducting drills there. Many Virginia Tech alumni are involved with NASA, which had a suspicious shooting four days after the massacre, on the anniversary of the Columbine black op. The massacre happened during the 'Noble Resolve' drills.

A photo exists of Seung Hui Cho in US Marines uniform, with another man, in what appears to be a military tent:



Almost everyone on the review panel had deep connections with government affairs. Virginia Tech families did not get on the panel, despite their requests. The chair led the response to 9/11 and the 2002 Sniper attacks. The investigation was 'staffed' by System Planning Corporatioin, which was involved with the Columbine investigation. It had links to 9/11 as well. The PNAC member, who was also the Pentagon's comptroller, was involved in 'Rebuilding America's Defenses', and was not able to account for the missing trillions, was a member of this corporation. Kenneth R. Feinburg, who led the 9/11 victims compensation fund, was also overseeing the Virginia Tech compensation fund. Feinburg is a Washington lawyer.

Virginia Tech's loudspeaker systems and emergency emails were suspiciously slow. They had waited three hours before they reported that there was a killer on the loose. Whether they thought it was domestic or not, if someone gets killed in a University and the killer isn't immediately apprehended, people would be sent home!



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 09:41 PM
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im sorry i missed this thread the first time around! thanks for posting.


p.s. to the OP: where is the source for that list of items? I did not see it in the link provided.

[edit on 28-9-2007 by scientist]



posted on Sep, 28 2007 @ 11:03 PM
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In addition to the slow loudspeakers, Cho was able to crawl around campus for two hours, sending his manifesto to MSNBC, even though the police were on high alert due to bomb threats.

This brings me to my next point. Who was calling all the bomb threats that had buildings evacuated before the massacre? It couldn't have been Cho, because even after the massacre, bomb threats were still rattling Virginia Tech in the same buildings, except it grew. Bomb threats began rattling 10 states. (www.suntimes.com...)(www.usatoday.com...)(www.m... ndaily.com/bomb_threat.htm)(www.komotv.com...)(www.nola.com.../base/national-84/11769008661762 60.xml&storylist=national)

Note that all the bomb threats afterwards seemed to come on April 18. These, I believe, are psyops. We're dealing with psychological scares by the government with these bomb threats. They foreshadowed the black op with bomb threats, and kept the tension going with bomb threats afterwards, conveying the message "It's not over yet". And, no, it wasn't over. On April 20, 2007, four days after the massacre and two days after the bomb threats, and the day Hitler was born, and that the Columbine Massacre occurred on, the NASA Johnson Space Center was attacked by a lone gunman linked to a contractor which is involved in United Defense. The case was kept very secret, but the shooting happened in Building 44, the building furthest away from the rest of the complex. Also, it was reported by a radio station in Roanoke that a bomb threat on April 2 had caused the evacuation of the massive Torgerson Hall.

It still wasn't over. On May, 10, 2007, two men in camoflauge and ski masks stormed into Boulder school. The SWAT searched the school, but found nothing unusual. No real investigation was made. No arrests were made. There were no suspects. (joomla.ci.boulder.co.us...)

With the bomb threat and Boulder psyops, could it get any more suspicious, there were what seemed to be Trench Coat Mafia-like people operating in the neighborhood before and after the massacre. A hooded man chained the doors of Virginia Tech two days before the massacre. (ca.news.yahoo.com...)
Matt Kazee reported that a man with a black trench coat made a bomb threat on a building after the massacre, saying they would avenge Cho.

Also notable is Jeff Soriano, who I see as the 34th victim of the Virginia Tech covert operation. Soriano was allegedly drag racing when his car crashed on April 18. He died.



Jeff Soriano was inside the University at the time of the massacre. Soriano's car is completely destroyed, but the car next to it is undamaged. Why would you go drag racing after such a horrible experience? Jeff Soriano was so shaken up by the massacre, drag racing is certainly an unlikely thing that anyone that shaken up would do. Why was no investigation made into the possibility that witnesses saw the license plate? Why was no attempt made to identify the car that allegedly fled the scene after the crash? It was an assassination and a psyop. As well as killing an eyewitness who apparently saw something he wasn't supposed to see, it also kept the tension going. The incident was pretty well-timed for the psychological covert operators in the government. It happened the same date as their bomb scares. Soriano was so shaken up that he had asked to be driven home. He saw something he wasn't supposed to. Possibly a second gunman, a covert operative. No suspects, no arrests, no interviews, no questions. Just one dead man who had been a witness to a very suspicious massacre just two days before. The facts point to a planned execution.



posted on Sep, 29 2007 @ 10:57 AM
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By now it should be completely obvious that this was a covert operation. However, if you have your doubts, consider the following:

*Virginia Tech, which was linked to the CIA and DARPA, conveniently failed to respond to the many warning signs of the massacre. T(www.washingtonpost.com...)

*Another shooting had occurred in the same area. It was also suspicious. William Morva shot a security guard and a Sheriff. One woman said that she drove a suspicious man and dropped him off during Morva's killing spree. However, her description of the man's clothing didn't match Morva's, but she said his statements and look was suspicious, so this indicates the possibility of an accomplice. There were actually reports that much of Virginia Tech's CRC had ben absent that day. William Morva's brother, Michael Morva, had served in the Marines in Afghanistan for five years, according to Matt Kazee. He had been in combat in Afghanistan, but was 'honorably discharged' after five years service.

*Cho's old high school was Westfield High School. Amazingly, the two students who went to Westfield with Cho were killed in the massacre. This, along with the fact that a gunman was reported to have 'peeked' inside a door 'like he was looking for someone' according to eyewitness Erin Sheehan, and the fact that he took photos of students, indicates that the perpetrators had certain targets in mind. People who may have known too much about what went on in Westfield High School during the time Cho was there. Westfield High School is located within close distance to the NRO headquarters. The same NRO building near Westfield is the one that was conducting a drill with the CIA on 9/11, which involved a plane crashing into the building. Remarkably, this is the same school that William Morva went to! In my opinion, somethings going on in Westfield High School, and it involves the NRO building.

*Cho's manifesto was very similar to the movie 'Oldboy', which depicts many of the scenes Cho poses to make. Notable is the hammer scene and the gun-to-head scene. The movie involves mind control. Cho had also been a fan of the game 'counterstrike', an extremely violent first person shooter involving counter-terrorism. Cho's manifesto was also clearly read from a script, as he paused and looked down and his eyes were trailing, as if he was reading something. Cho wrote violent plays, which made it look like he'd actually been exposed to child abuse and violence at a young age.

*Ex-FBI agent Brad Garret stated 'the date of the first gun purchase will likely serve as the time of “some triggering mechanism that was very important” (blogs.abcnews.com...)

*Tony McNulty, the British minister of security, in charge of the police service, counter-terrorism, and crime reduction (including violent crime, guns, knives, community safety and anti-social behavior), spoke at Virginia Tech on
March 23. (www.vtnews.vt.edu...)

*Only hours before the massacre, MSNBC, the same news agency that Cho sent his manifesto to (Which arrived suspiciously fast), aired a documentary about John Hyde, which said "Why wasn't a mentally ill man stopped before he launched his brutal rampage?". This is much like Columbine, where the episode of "Buffy The Vampire" involved a student gunman who was planning to launch a massacre to cause mass casualties..or "The Promised Land" which showed a kid firing a gun in front of a Denver high school. It also relates to "The Lone Gunman" aired before 9/11, which involved a government plot to fly a remote-controlled passenger plane into the twin towers under the cover of a war game involving airline counter-terrorism so they could start wars.

*Virginia Tech police were given stand down orders and told not to engage the killer.

*Cho was reported to have bought ammunition on Ebay. Ebay doesn't sell ammunition!



[edit on 29-9-2007 by LordCarpainter]



posted on Sep, 30 2007 @ 11:31 PM
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The following blurb was from the Report of the Virginia Tech Review Panel


EMS Response

pg9 of 22
At 4:03 p.m., the medical examiner authorized removal of the deceased from Norris Hall to the medical examiner’s office in Roanoke. Due to another rescue incident in the Blacksburg area, units were not available until 5:15 p.m. to begin transport of the deceased.


[Comment: Huh? What other incident?]



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