Ok, many of us think we are the only ones who are not manipulated. Doubtful. We're, no doubt about it, pawns too.

Firstly, by other people, we are thought of anti-social, para-military paranoid freaks who are too smart or stupid to be listened too. Thats how we are manipulated mostly.

Secondly, they (Bilderburgers, Illuminati ect) spread many of these rumors to make us (theorists) look like idiots. They openly show their symbols and those few who know what they mean are casted out of major society as 'stupid'. Quite a many of these theories are nothing more than disinformation tactics that were perfected in war to distroy the heart of the enemy before striking them. Many people think these overt organizations are covertly using us a pawns, and I don't doubt they are trying. But they maybe used themselfs by a higher group, ie a super illuminati.

So what we do? We cannot do much, most of these things are resolved cladestinly, assainations, ect.

Also I belive something else. Each group of countries are controled by a singular group and as follows: Much of North America and South American are controled by bussiness and politics that are neoconservative or something along those lines. Europe is controled by a leftest verson of the N. Amer. & S. Amer. that is hell bent on making one unified Europe that is Quasi-Socialist. The Terrorists are, as I belive, many 'fingers' of a singular entity which wants to distroy the other groups. This Terror entity is older than the others, and trying to push us into the old traditional world of Greece and Arabia. The former USSR and Satilites, I belive was an overt attemp to control the world, by conquering Europe than the Mid. East then strangle the rest of the West by stoping oil flow. China I belive is a real, untampered country. Africa has nothing of that sort of covert gov. as the other continents because of the tribal differences keep it from peace. The Nazis was a failed attempt by them to conquer Europe overtly and making a ultra power, thereby controling the world through threat of force.

There is so many more, but I have to go at the moment and I will add more.

no doubt we are some of the pawns (if of course the illumanti and what not are trying to conquer us) but we cant to jack about it... just be prepared if you believe something will happen

Probitally the only way to stop it is by manipulating the clandestine powers to kill off each other, the last being too weak, and then someone just could make a popular uprising to make a powerful group of thier own.

Originally posted by Taxman
Probitally the only way to stop it is by manipulating the clandestine powers to kill off each other, the last being too weak, and then someone just could make a popular uprising to make a powerful group of thier own.

But then this new group would be the power which is despised... i believe if all the clandestine groups were destroyed as many new ones would take their places

wouldn't it be a lot easier to conrtol a large population if that population didn't know it was being controlled, and was allowed to believe they were resisting this control?

Firstly by keeping the groups changing will prevent any one world state. We can change them, or submit to the ones now who have the foot hold.

Dunkle, thats probitally whats happening to us, on a more complacated scale.

Another theory of mine, since we know so much, or comprehend so much, this web site provides for recruits of their groups. Mainly lower end members, not the big powerful people like CEOs and Heads of State.

Also many of these overt groups could of been covert groups that were exposed and made a last ditch effort to control.

well done! another layer of the truth onion is pulled back. our pavlovian responses to world events have all been anticipated by the shadow rulers and checks and balances have been put into place to not just neutralize us, but also use us against each other. we are experiencing a series of prearranged disappointments(aimed at taking the wind out of our sails, as noted above).
those bad guys might be bad, but they sure aren't stupid!

I have no doubt at all that we're pawns in their game. Which is why the smartest thing you can do is learn to be your own psychologist. This way you know people. One thing they CAN'T stop is that people have a curious mind and often venture off to the unknown. That is how conspiracy theorists like us got here. To make sure people don't venture off here at quick rates they did label us as outsiders. They especially make this known on the internet, because they know if we know we'll be labled such then we don't go public speaking all of this, or we do but when we do it's in ways that people miss (such as songs with quick hints). We're the unsevere form of theorists, because most of us won't go public with our belief about the NWO. we'll keep it right here amongst other theorists, but when we're around real people we'll speak politics with them as if we don't know anything about the conspiracy.

None the less, they could be feeding us with these conspiracy like minds, giving us little thing's to eat. So that when it really happens, it's the opposite of what we expected so not even WE (the conspiracy theorists) know what's going on. Because to be honest, there's a lot of us. If we saw it going down, we could easily warn the public. Their plans would have to be switched up, so they have to feed not only the clueless but the conspiracy minded people too.

The best quote "we can not fight an enemy that we can't see" But we're disobeying that quote (that's good). We're fighting blindly. Swinging our fists at any possible enemy, rather they be the bad one or the one who poses as good. I used to know a 38 year old blind chick who learned martial arts, and became a black belt (true story, she tried to get me involved in martial arts). Her strength being what can only be a 6th sense. She can't smell you when you go to attack her, she can hear you but she can't block an attack on time just by hearing it. She can't go around feeling somebody before they attack her, she blocks attacks just by sensing them coming. This is us. We're the blind lady in martial arts. we got the other sense, but their smart enough to know we have that sense. So they feed that sense so that the sense doesn't recognize the truth. Yes, even conspirecy theorys are controlled by the government. But the thing about this sense that they forgot, is it never stops sensing. It doesn't only go with familiar senses, it goes everywhere.

"real people", DerekpacIsAlive!!!
HAHAHAHA!!!! real people. that kills me.
nice post.

Also I bet, on this site, theres people of these secret groups looking to recruit some "illuminated people". This could be where all these groups start or something along those lines. I bet, the people who created these groups (this is a theory mind you) were outcasts who had a higher ability of perception (as in seeing through propaganda, ect) and intellegance level, which all of us clearly has. So therefore, I hypothesize that we could have NWO 'agents' within us and that we are animals in the proverbial zoo, who are being tested to see if they are able to join these groups to better and more efficiently rule the world in one for or another.

I seriously need to shut up at times, I talk to much!

About a week ago, I read an article on GodLikeProductions talking about how there are indeed government agents hanging out at all ends of the chat room, message board, communication realm of the internet. I'll look for the link.

My perception leads me to believe this true. Michael Crichton recently suggested that our biggest challenge was to filter out the vast amounts of disinformation, from the small, but sometimes there, legit information.

What are really hard to believe however are the polls. I don't trust polls unless it's among only a few individuals. Stats are twisted as we all know. Those in control of polls can manipulate numbers as looking however they wish them to look.

These days are challenging. Pray for guidance in the right direction.

Indeed they are always watching, for the most part I do not mind that they are watching this forum, They are watching for threats and it, for the most part make me feel safe by being ever vigilant. The problem is if they stop a safe conversation or something thats private that doesnt violate the law.

I'm just speaking for myself here, but I don't make accusations without significant proof of them occurring, therefore I find it hard accepting the degrading name of "Conspiracy Theorist", it has a bad stigma, and is often the prejudicial thing to call someone before you hear their story.

Okay, so maybe someone is a conspiracy theorist when they say that the Aliens hijacked the plains and crashed them into the World Trade Centers. But it isn't a conspiracy theory when you expose the fact that President George Bush let a Saudi Arabian jet fly through America and pick up unknown individuals the day afterwards. No; this is just something that the Bush administration and the FBI have to answer directly.

People who oppose political power simply because other people don't just so they're "not pawns" probably are pawns. It's childish rebellion in most cases, and the goal is not to become a larger than the average civilian by reputation, the aim is to attain social awareness and research regularly so you can develop a solid knowledge and personal ideology without being seduced by lies and demagogues.

Originally posted by froder
I'm just speaking for myself here, but I don't make accusations without significant proof of them occurring, therefore I find it hard accepting the degrading name of "Conspiracy Theorist", it has a bad stigma, and is often the prejudicial thing to call someone before you hear their story.

Okay, so maybe someone is a conspiracy theorist when they say that the Aliens hijacked the plains and crashed them into the World Trade Centers. But it isn't a conspiracy theory when you expose the fact that President George Bush let a Saudi Arabian jet fly through America and pick up unknown individuals the day afterwards. No; this is just something that the Bush administration and the FBI have to answer directly.

People who oppose political power simply because other people don't just so they're "not pawns" probably are pawns. It's childish rebellion in most cases, and the goal is not to become a larger than the average civilian by reputation, the aim is to attain social awareness and research regularly so you can develop a solid knowledge and personal ideology without being seduced by lies and demagogues.

this is what's great/horrible about labels. i can just reply to the above with a, 'you're a conspiracy theorist', and most sheeple will bleat and begin grazing again. it doesn't even have to make sense.
same applies to , being anti-israel. the anti-semite label will demonize quicker that satan himself could do it.
my favorite new one, 'chemmie' for believing your eyes that somethings going on with contrails being purposely sprayed in grid patterns(see, 'painting the sky' thread).
classic cointel-pro tactics. sadly quite effective.

I didnt mean to affend anyone, I just used a term which I thought would be acceptable to you. I appolgize.

I don't think so.

The terroists are the biggest pawns.

Indeed, or any frantic.

I myself don't mind being an idiot.

We are all fools in our own way. Even Mulder was always getting beat up and in trouble. He was always being waylaid by the forces of the unknown.

The Bin Ladens were flown out secretly after 9-11, and its because they're our close ally and they needed protection. Osama is like their black sheep who does dirty work or gets out of hand.

As far as the disinformation goes, well, thats just how intel works. They shoot the aliens down and build the stealth bomber with the technology. Or Mel Gibson does a movie to make the idea of aliens look stupid. (Signs)

We really should put our TV sets out on the curb for the trash man to collect. It is what zombifies us into submission.

There's that Sting song "We Work the Black Seam" where he says-
"We Can't Give Up Our Jobs The Way We Should." Thats exactly it. We should be quitting our jobs that don't keep up with inflation, and be out there protesting and throwing rocks like the Europeans do.When things get out of hand, they have an all-out strike.Things get done.

In America, we lay down and take it. And corporations just keep rasing prices and giving us less health coverage, higher premiums and less quality care. I myself can't believe how hard I busted my ass at my last job and got laid off.

Back to conspiracies, however, is there is too much insanity to go around. You have to be selective and choose you battles wisely. Every notion of globalisation or government intrusion cannot be fought. The best weapon is to educate our children, and young people.

You have to have a mind for critical analysis or political science. A mind for literature will help also. Journalism studies will help defuse the brainwashing and consumerism, also. Society has been dumbed down.

My sister actually insisted on watching that "Simple Life"
with Paris Hilton one night. After protesting I finally agreed. I was amazed at the fact I actually felt dumber afterward! You actually lose intelligence if you don't use it. I mean, I was numb. That program made you into a regressed ape, I believe.


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