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Topic started on 5-8-2007 @ 11:54 PM by Conspiracy Theorist

I've always wondered about what really happened down there in Tasmania. I found it hard to believe that an intellectually disabled man was capable of shooting 35 people dead, most of them from a distance and with head shots.

This link is an index to many articles questioning what took place.

I think its definately worth looking into.

CT

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 02:10 AM by Conspiracy Theorist

No Aussies here on ATS have wandered into this thread and even wondered about it.

I mean, the guy had an IQ of 60. At one point during the shooting he reloaded leaving one live bullet in the chamber? Special Ops soldiers are trained to do this in case a threat pops up during reloading. Also the weapons recovered couldnt be linked to the shooting due to the breaches being destroyed.

Its got to make you wonder.

CT

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 02:19 AM by D.E.M.

Yes, yes this does make me wonder. It makes me wonder quite alot. However, Why Tasmania? I mean, its not exactly a place known for its coverups and government ops, is it? If he had an IQ that low then wou;dn;t that be suggesting mind control or somesuch?

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 03:22 AM by Pilgrum

If you check my location you'll see that this event happened in my neighbourhood (it's nothing to be proud of either).

The lack of gun controls here prior to that event meant anyone here could purchase virtually any weapon and ammo with no questions asked. the only restrictions were on firearms with a barrel shorter than 9" which were classed as concealable and required a license. I myself purchased several weapons from the same dealer as Martin Bryant (he virtually could see the gun shop from his home). You could purchase an ex-chinese military semi-auto rifle and a case of 1200 rounds of ammo (7.62 x 39mm) for about $250 and for a litle extra get an optional 30 round magazine. The local supermarkets even sold ammo over the counter back then.

I handed in all my weapons after that event BTW as I was no longer a regular trap & skeet sporting shooter by then and had moved from the mountains to the city suburbs.

I have no doubt that he did it all as claimed and there are bound to be a few inconsistencies in individual reports considering the confusion of that day but it doesn't imply a conspiracy, perhaps there's a some evidence of a coverup of some lack of adequate response to the initial word getting out but that always happens. It doesnt take an expert marksman to shoot innocent people in a cafe and then go after those trying to escape.

I did see an earlier reference to WASP as mentioned by Bryant. He actually said something like 'not many Japs here today, a few wasps though' which was referring to the plague of european wasps we have in Tasmania at that time of year.

I believe he intended to die in the fire he started but couldn't go through with it and ran outside when his clothes were alight hoping the police would finish him off. It would have been simpler if they had seen fit to spend 50c on him then.

I vote it was all a confusion of shocked disbelief, not a conspiracy. There was a similar massacre in Melbourne (Hoddle St) a couple of years prior to this event involving the same sort of weapons so this made the clampdown on private ownership of them (military style semi-automatics) an obvious necessity.

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 03:41 AM by Agit8dChop

Mental re'tardation doesnt mean a complete inability to perform.
Infact, I find mentally retarded people are more likely to perform an unbelievable fete that is usually considered a un-doable fete.

The human mind is an unbelievable thing... how do we know what parts perform in what ways when a circuit provides it with the 'right' amount of electricity?

Something wierd? As said above, maybe through confusion in the heat of the moment..

but believing its impossible for a mentally retarded person to kill 30ppl+ without being taken down?

Hey,I reackon in a crowded cafe I could get 15-20... atleast.

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 05:09 AM by Melbourne_Militia

This topic has been covered in depth before here and here is the link to it -

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I too feel very strongly about the absurd details of the incident and the blatant coverup by the federal Authorities.

I will now post what I posted in the other thread regarding this topic so as to add to this refreshed discussion and hopefully educate new readers to the topic of the innacuracies surrounding this event.

G'day all,

I have just come across this thread and feel VERY strongly about this conspiracy, I have posted a few times about this incident both in the thread titled "Ozzie Guns" found halfway down the first page here -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

aswell as the thread titled "Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting" found on page 25 here -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But non the less because of my interest in this case, I shall also post here what I have previously to promote further discussion about the inconsistencies with the case, and the Australian Governments and police compacency with the investigation, such as not wanting to take the witness statements of people who saw a totaly different person as the killer than Martyn Bryant for it would not go along with the "official" story.

Here is my write-up, I hope you enjoy it and find it imformative........

In regards to the Port Arthur Massacre, let me forward you to the following link which proves that this was planned upto 10years before it happened -
members.iimetro.com.au...

Quote - "There is reason to think the Port Arthur massacre was planned as early 1987 when, after a specially called Premier's meeting in Hobart in December 1987, the New South Wales Labour Premier, Mr. Barry Unsworth stated, "there would be no effective gun control in Australia until there was a massacre in Tasmania""

Quote - " At the same time a long list of facts or discrepancies were overlooked. Any calls for a royal commission fell on deaf ears, the media were later instructed not to talk about the subject anymore and the files have been closed for 30 years.

The Port Arthur massacre occurred on 28 April there was legislation prepared by mid May with plans for a national buyback of automatic and semi-automatic rifles."

Quote - Prior to 1996 Australia had huge number of sporting shooters traditionally used in time of war to both train and supplement our miniscule armed forces.

However, since the psyop at Port Arthur more than 400,000 reserve forearms have been pulped instead of stored by the Federal Government. - Joe Vialls"

Quote - "

THOMAS JEFFERSON
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government".

1-----Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 enabling the government to round up 13 million defenceless Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill and impaired human beings, imprisoning them in concentration camps, and by a conscious process of attrition, destroyed them.

2-----The Turkish Ottoman Empire established gun control in 1911, proceeding then to exterminate 1.5 million Armenians from 1914 - 1917."

This will happen in the states but going by your history, it'd have to be one hell of a massacre to drum up the public support necessary to force this legislation through your congress.

Just a little bit more in regards to the Poret Arthur Massacre and discrepencies -

The following quote from the link attached details the extent of lies and fabrication aswell as the sort of operation the government undertook in an effort to make this happen so they may force through their "anti-gun" legislation.

home.overflow.net.au...

Quote - "Just after noon on 28th April 1996, an unknown marksman opened fire on diners in the Broad Arrow Cafe at Port Arthur in Australia. In less than 20 minutes at this and five other crime scenes, the marksman killed 35, injured 22, and crippled two cars with only 64 shots. Nineteen of the first twenty dead in the Broad Arrow Cafe died from single shots to the head, all fired by the unknown marksman from his right hip. This staggering display of marksman- ship was blamed on left-handed and intellectually impaired Martin Bryant, whose shooting experience extended to popping off cans in the bush, and had no military training of any kind. From the time of his arrest, remand prisoner Martin Bryant was illegally held in strict solitary confinement and denied access to media of any kind until his police interrogation on 4th July 1996. When he refused to admit to the Port Arthur Massacre at interrogation, he was once more placed back in illegal solitary confinement. Eventually in desperation during November 1996, Martin Bryant pleaded "guilty" 72 times, thereby allowing the authorities to avoid a humiliating trial at which they could present no hard evidence of guilt. Intellectually impaired Martin Bryant was convicted by a hysterical media pack, then forced to plead guilty by prison officials illegally enforcing solitary confinement."

Explain to me how anyone, even a sniper in Iraq with years of experience could have shot 19 people in the head whilst shooting from his hip amongst the panic and noise of the scene? Let alone a intellectually disabled individual?

Quote - "On the 23rd of June 1996 the Sunday Telegraph published a story about a gun collector in Victoria who identified the AR15 rifle used for the Port Arthur killings as one that he had handed in to police during an amnesty in February 1993. Strange that the weapon used in the killings just happened to fall off a conveyor belt on the way to the smelters."

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 05:11 AM by Melbourne_Militia

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The following quote is VERY IMPORTANT
Quote - "I have had these pages up and running since 1997 and have never had anyone tell me that they saw the Port Arthur shooter and it was Martin Bryant. Yet I have seen several sworn statements from eyewitnesses who could identify the shooter and give descriptions of a man other than Martin Bryant where the killings took place. While there were witnesses who said that they saw Martin Bryant at the Port Arthur area not one could identify him as being anywhere near the Broad Arrow Café, where most of the murders took place, or any other crime scene on the way to the Seascape Inn. Those who eyeballed him said that he had a pocked ugly face and long hair. Martin Bryant has clear skin and on that occasion his hair was less than shoulder length. Photographic evidence shows a man wearing what looks like a woman's wig. Witnesses said the shooter shot from the right hip, yet Martin was left handed and the list goes on and on. All of which will be revealed in these pages."

The following link has very in depth analytical report on how the Port Arthur Massacr was staged government operation which IO highly recommend all you Yanks have a read so you may know what to expect when a similar event occurs in the States - home.overflow.net.au...

And to conclude, I saw a documentary pice about a year or so ago on "the Sunday Show" here in Australia that mentioned when Martyn Bryant was at the house still, before he went to the cafe, police marksmen had on several occassions had him in their sights for a kill shot and everytime they were refused permission to shoot.

CONSPIRACY, CONSPIRACY, CONSPIRACY. Our governments have become dictatorships under the cloak of democracy!

I'll try my best mate and state some facts that "helped" the governments case against us - (the information gathered here and quotes included is from home.overflow.net.au...
authored and investigated by the ltae Joe Vialls who dediacted alot of his time and effort for free into informing the public of the wrond doings of the government)

1. "To this very day there has not been a Coronial Inquiry, an inquest that is by law, essentially held for all suspicious deaths including suicide and some accidental deaths."

2. "American video evidence submitted to the Supreme Court has already been scientifically proven a forgery; deliberately submitted to the court in order to secure the conviction of Martin Bryant on all counts, in the event that he continued to plead "Not Guilty". Due to the seriousness of this offence, copies of the scientific proof have been sent by registered mail to departments which should take active steps to have the material reviewed and struck out of evidence, and then urgently implement strategies to ensure the future integrity of Australian national security."

3. All the eyewitness at the scene failed to identify Martyn Bryant as the killer. The description of the killer was different to that of the accused.

4. "There is now also convincing hard evidence that the gun control proposals accepted by Police Ministers in May 1996 were prepared before the massacre, by an ideological senior bureaucrat with United Nations connections."

5. Quote from home.overflow.net.au...
" in the immediate aftermath of the Port Arthur massacre, politicians developed collective verbal diarrhoea in the House of Representatives as they joined the feeding frenzy designed to undermine Australian national security by removing defensive weapons from the hands of the public."

6. The media jumped on the bandwagon and tried to force through to the public via television and newspapers the notion that anyone with a legalaly aquired firearm is crackpot criminal mass murderer just waiting to go off. They tried to make it socially unacceptible to own a firearm.

7. Both sides of politics stood together to publibly support gun control measures and our current prime-minister has said on a few occasions that he would like to make our current gun-laws alot tougher - making me think that there could be another massacre on the way.

8. on talkback radio the media and government had fake listeners call up tp put the governments comments and ideas forward to the public to sway opinions. Heres a few of them from home.overflow.net.au...

" Gun nuts, rednecks and lunatics. That's all they are. What would ever possess anyone to want to own a thing that kills people is beyond me"

"Yeah, I heard them say that they use their shotguns for sport. What kind of sport do you need a shotgun for? That's what I'd like to know? It's ludicrous."

"That's right, it just goes to show how stupid they are."

Two weeks later our shooters were the first to bring gold home from the Atlanta Olympics and that ignorant talk-back host and his equally ignorant supporter must have felt very foolish to find out that one of Australia's safest sports is clay shooting and we are among the world's best. "

There was also an incident at Monash University here a few years later 21st October 2002, when a student open fire with a handgun in a classroom and almost immediately there was a review on for handguns.

www.abc.net.au...

Quote - "GEMMA PINNELL: We are calling for the complete ban of semi-automatic hand guns and we think that, as an urgent step, the State Government should seek to see that occur in Victoria.

Two semi-automatic hand guns were used in the tragedy and we think there is a range of reasons why these should be banned immediately because of, essentially, what happened today.

But semi-automatic hand guns are easy to access, they are the most concealable, the most dangerous types of guns and they can shoot several rounds per second and they are as powerful as a rifle."

Quote - "KIM WELLS: Now we don't know whether the guns were licensed, whether the shooter was registered."

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 05:13 AM by Melbourne_Militia

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The following is the actual bill put forward by the Federal Government for the Handgun Buyback Scheme -

www.aph.gov.au...

Quote - "It was subsequently reported that the alleged gunman was a licensed pistol owner with access to several handguns, including semi-automatic pistols and a .357 magnum revolver."

Even thou the guns were registered and he was a registered owner, how can this be viewed as categorizing the rest of the legitimate firearms community as criminals and subject to a buyback?

Criminals dont participate in buybacks and the fact that they are registered will almost allways result in a conviction.

They will do anything to disarm the public and this is part of the UN sponsored NWO agenda to disarm the public before serious totalitarian laws get passed by the Governments.

Governments should not have anything to fear of the public if their intentions are honest!

There you have it, that above was my writeup in regard to the Port Arthur incident as written up on other threads.

I still beleive that it was a Government orchestrated incident and I did quote in January of this year that there will be soon a Port Arthur incident in the US that the Congress will use to justify their anti-gun policies, to be implemented to enable their future martial law plans/scenario's to be enacted much more efficiently and with minimal resistance.
Americans, pay attention to what is happening around you, for when the 2nd Ammendment is gone, so are you.......

That is my past writeup on the issue. I hope those of you interested in the topic take the time to read through it.

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 05:17 AM by Melbourne_Militia

And to conclude on this topic once and for all, here is a summary written up by Joe Vialls, investigative reporter, on the incident. It really does make you think about what really went on-

100777.com...

Was Port Arthur Designed to Undermine our National Security?
December 22, 2003 - 02:46
Disarmament of the people
Filed under: Disarmament of the people
More on the Port Arthur Massacre and their patsy.

Forwarded is one of the most bizarre events of the recent past. Its facts were so muted and disguised as to make the entire issue, hardly plausible. Yet, the event happened, and the Gun issue in Australia emerged.... The similar event in Scotland can easily fit into the same category ..as unsolved, or at least why these people did what they did...JRN

Was Port Arthur Designed to Undermine our National Security ?

It is an accepted media "fact" that Martin Bryant, an intellectually- impaired young man with a dramatically low IQ of 66, shot dead 35 people at Port Arthur and wounded 22 others.

Not just that, but this awesome shooter managed to kill the first 19 out of 20 dead in the Broad Arrow Cafe with single accurate shots to the head fired from his right hip.

Not bad for a man with no firearm experience other than using a Webley Osprey air rifle when he was a boy, and by the way, Bryant used to fire the Webley from his left shoulder because he is and has always been left- handed.

Perhaps the media should have questioned this startling inconsistency but failed to do so. After all, the suspect was in custody, international media outlets were screaming for the "dramatic" story, and somehow Martin Bryant's increasingly desperate pleas of "Not Guilty" were ignored by all and sundry.

Why? Perhaps because the Tasmanian Government was already aware that there was absolutely no evidence of any kind linking Bryant to Port Arthur, and needed a media "conviction" to protect their exposed political hides. And so it was that Martin Bryant became the most vilified and hated man in Australia, with thousands calling for his immediate execution.

BEFORE YOU RUSH TO JUDGEMENT ON PORT ARTHUR, TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE QUEEN v. MARTIN BRYANT, AND TRY TO ANSWER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS TO YOUR SATISFACTION. IT IS UNLIKELY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO.

--- 1 Two hours before the mass murder commenced at Port Arthur, all senior site personnel were collected and driven north to a management seminar more than two hours from the Historic Site. In practice, this meant that at the time of the mass murder, no experienced managers were available at the Port Arthur Site. A residential weekend management seminar had never happened before in the entire history of Port Arthur.

WHO ISSUED THIS EXTRAORDINARY ORDER ?

--- 2 One hour before the massacre commenced at Port Arthur, the only two armed policemen on the Tasman Peninsula were decoyed on an imaginary drugs bust, to a coal mine location 30 minutes drive away from Port Arthur. Within minutes of these officers reporting themselves on location at the coal mine by radio, the shooter opened fire in the Broad Arrow Cafe. Timed from the point at which shot number one was fired, the entire massacre was completed in 17 minutes elapsed tim, meaning armed police could not intervene.

WHO DECOYED THE ARMED POLICE OFFICERS ?

--- 3 The shooter entered the Broad Arrow Cafe carrying his weapons in a Prince sports bag, then left the empty sports bag in a prominent position to later "link" the murders to Martin Bryant. Problem! The Colt Commando AR15 later found by police at Seascape Cottage and claimed to be "Bryant's Murder Weapon", has a standard 14.5" barrel, making it far too long to fit into the Prince sports bag. The weapon removed from the sports bag in the Broad Arrow Cafe by the real shooter had a barrel no longer than ten inches. Where is the shortened AR15 actually used in the mass murder?

--- 4 After the mass murder, police were attracted to Seascape Cottage by a tall plume of smoke from a burning BMW in the yard. Martin Bryant remembers a BMW car but is adamant he does not remember setting fire to it, because a man was secured in the boot, or so he believed. Bryant was [Glenn Pears] was removed before the car was set on fire, and later shot dead inside Seascape Cottage. Was the car set on fire merely to destroy forensic evidence, or was it [like the Prince sports bag in the Broad Arrow Cafe], used as another 'link' to incriminate Martin Bryant ?

--- 5 Immediately after being taken into custody and while being treated at the Royal Hobart Hospital, Martin Bryant was able to easily converse with his captors, confirm he understood their questions, and plead "not guilty". How was this possible? If Bryant had been inside the Broad Arrow Cafe during the mass murder, the concussive blast of 20x.223 Remington rounds fired by an AR15 with a shortened barrel, would have severely damaged his hearing. Most survivors in the cafe were hearing impaired for weeks, and some had burst eardrums. Even the, only the shooter him self was subject to the full reflected concussive blast of all 29 rounds. This medical fact alone excludes Martin Bryant from the Broad Arrow Cafe, so who really did the shooting?

J.Vials

The Howard has blood on its hands. It was a direct attack against the Australian people to further the New World Order agenda of disarming the public, for a disarmed flock of sheep is far easier to slaughter in the future than an armd flock.

As mentioned previosuly.....a bloody disgrace this government!

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 05:29 AM by Zenspider

I distinctly remember the photo of Bryant on the front page of The Courier Mail, the absolute first thing I said was that his eyes had been photoshopped.

A friend said he looked demonic, so I looked and saw the iris part of his eyes was gone, giving him a very monstrous look.

He looked insane...

My friend laughed at me, when I said image manipulation, however a few days later the paper admitted that some thing 'went wrong' with the pic....

By then the whole country figured they had him cold. I don't know either way, but that picture could not have cast him in a worse light.

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 05:59 AM by mazzroth

About time this topic was brought up again so we can rehash it and understand what really happend, The monday after the Killings the Government already had the draft legislation for gun control and it passed unanimously.

The KIA to WIA ratio was reverse of what historically has been to show in shootings like this.

Initial reports included other gunmen seen in the area.

Briant couldn't have carried the duffle bag full of Ammo due to it being heavy.

Check out www.vialls.com for more info.

reply posted on 7-8-2007 @ 10:54 AM by Conspiracy Theorist

While I truly believe Joe Vialls has worked hard to uncover what really took place in Port Arthur, I would be hard pressed to quote him as a credible source.

Im sure some you know about the shooting in london of a young female constable named Yvonne Fletcher. Which Joe Vialls "investigated" and he concluded that the fatal shots came not from within the embassy but from a penthouse flat – next door but one to the Libyan embassy – and were fired by CIA/Mossad agents. Even though forensic evidence clearly explained what happened.

There is also his claim that the Bali bombings were micronukes.

Let me point out that while I agree with most of what Joe uncovered I would think twice before citing him as a source.

reply posted on 13-8-2007 @ 09:23 AM by Pilgrum

I don't see how anyone could interpret the government's action after this event as a move to disarm the public. There's hordes of legally owned firearms still out there and all that happened was a tightening up on ownership of self-loading weapons including pump action and under & over type shotguns. To possess the remaining types (say bolt action rifles) all that was needed was membership of a recognised shooting club or a proven need for them (like farmers on remote properties) and to comply with the new rules regarding storage of the weapons and ammo (like installing safes). For many of us it just wasn't worth the expense and hassle. Applying those new laws to even crossbows and 0.177 air rifles did appear to be somewhat excessive but you have to draw the line somewhere.

The federal government had to be seen to be taking fast & positive action and, to their credit, they did.

I'm not buying any of the conspiracy theories on this
It's just an example of what can happen when the sale of deadly weapons is virtually unregulated.

reply posted on 13-8-2007 @ 10:37 AM by Conspiracy Theorist

Originally posted by Pilgrum
I'm not buying any of the conspiracy theories on this

So you wont even entertain the possibility. You didn't even begin to answer any of the questions posted by Melbourne_Militia.

While I feel that Joe Vialls investigation did not prove Australian Government complicity, I think there is enough there to make the reasonable person question the official story.

What do you think?

It's just an example of what can happen when the sale of deadly weapons is virtually unregulated.

The deadly weapons to which you refer were hardly unregulated. You couldn't walk in off the street and buy an AR15 assault rifle.

CT

reply posted on 13-8-2007 @ 11:22 AM by Pilgrum

Those claims seem wild speculation to me.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist

The deadly weapons to which you refer were hardly unregulated. You couldn't walk in off the street and buy an AR15 assault rifle.

Well sadly enough, you could in the early 90s here in Tasmania and many did - pay cash and carry it home the same day with a crate of ammo.

You could also buy a converted SKS type rifle made fully automatic with a 30 round magazine and a flip-out bayonet which is a little over the top for hunting rabbits etc

reply posted on 13-8-2007 @ 11:49 AM by Conspiracy Theorist

Originally posted by Pilgrum
You could also buy a converted SKS type rifle made fully automatic with a 30 round magazine and a flip-out bayonet which is a little over the top for hunting rabbits etc

Your saying anyone could do this until after the Port Arthur Massacre? Without having their details taken by the seller? I highly doubt that.

First, Tasmanian gun laws were notoriously weak. Until 1 January 1993, when the Guns Act 1991 came into force, there was no system of licensing or registration of firearms other than pistols.
Source

This is all well and good, but the incident took place on 28 April 1996. Five Years after the gun laws were introduced.

Edit to add this info:

This is Bryants reponse to being asked when he bought the Colt AR15

Q. How long ago?

A. Month after, ahh before that one, five months ... (inaudible)

Q. Could you speak up again?

A. Five months ago I bought that one.
Source

So he only bought the weapons 5 months before the Massacre. 5 years after the laws were introduced.

[edit on 13/8/2007 by Conspiracy Theorist]

reply posted on 13-8-2007 @ 11:48 PM by Pilgrum

All that really came out of the implementation of the Guns Act in 1993 was that shooters were required to have a license (photo ID card) but no details of weapons possessed at that time were collected or asked for. Getting a license was just a matter of paying your $20 or so and having a photo ID card made for you after a cursory character check by police. There was also a thriving trade in private sales of rifles via the classifieds in the papers and in many cases firearms dealers acted as agents collecting a commission on these sales so 'under the counter' deals were the norm to keep these transactions out of the view of the taxman - for that reason alone few details would have been recorded.

Also I'm not so sure about how reliable Bryant's memory was.

Believe it or not there was a major gun culture thing going on here with urban self-styled rambos running round with all manner of automatic weapons and it was just a matter of time before something like Port Arthur happened. Travelling through the more remote parts of this state (and there's a wealth of such places) you'll still see evidence of anything and everything shot to bits by crazy shooters to this day.

Maybe the popular bumper sticker of those days 'Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns' is correct but at least we made a move in the right direction.

reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 12:00 AM by Conspiracy Theorist

Ok. I'll concede the point that Bryant could have purchased those weapons. I'll have to take your word for it, you live there.

But there are so many other inconsistencies. Some of which have been brought up in this thread, that I feel you are outright dismissing without disproving.

Can you at least admit that what happened is not all it seems?

CT

reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 12:45 AM by Pilgrum

As in all investigations of cases as major as this, inconsistencies between statements from witnesses are the norm, not the exception.

But as to a covert operation at the highest government level to disarm the public - well, to me that's ludicrous to suggest. Not to mention the fact that the public could hardly be considered as being disarmed now, they're just subjected to much tighter regulations on ownership and storage with mandatory prison terms for possession of (now) prohibited self-loading weapons.

reply posted on 14-8-2007 @ 03:22 AM by Conspiracy Theorist

Ok. Since you wont admit that its not all that it seems, can you please take the time to counter some of the arguments put forth by Melbourne_Militia, by way of Joe Vialls.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia

--- 1 Two hours before the mass murder commenced at Port Arthur, all senior site personnel were collected and driven north to a management seminar more than two hours from the Historic Site. In practice, this meant that at the time of the mass murder, no experienced managers were available at the Port Arthur Site. A residential weekend management seminar had never happened before in the entire history of Port Arthur.

WHO ISSUED THIS EXTRAORDINARY ORDER?

--- 2 One hour before the massacre commenced at Port Arthur, the only two armed policemen on the Tasman Peninsula were decoyed on an imaginary drugs bust, to a coal mine location 30 minutes drive away from Port Arthur. Within minutes of these officers reporting themselves on location at the coal mine by radio, the shooter opened fire in the Broad Arrow Cafe. Timed from the point at which shot number one was fired, the entire massacre was completed in 17 minutes elapsed tim, meaning armed police could not intervene.

WHO DECOYED THE ARMED POLICE OFFICERS?

--- 3 The shooter entered the Broad Arrow Cafe carrying his weapons in a Prince sports bag, then left the empty sports bag in a prominent position to later "link" the murders to Martin Bryant. Problem! The Colt Commando AR15 later found by police at Seascape Cottage and claimed to be "Bryant's Murder Weapon", has a standard 14.5" barrel, making it far too long to fit into the Prince sports bag. The weapon removed from the sports bag in the Broad Arrow Cafe by the real shooter had a barrel no longer than ten inches.

WHERE IS THE SHORTENED AR15 ACTUALLY USED IN THE MASS MURDER?

Source