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posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
Eating food you like isn't a sin, eating it to excess (thereby making yourself overweight, giving you health problems, limiting your mobility, and making you less happy) is where the sin is.

There will never be peace while there are christians running around this world? My friend, your user name here on ATS truly suits you.


Eating excessivly and getting overweight and having health problems is a SIN? Well see...that is where PRIDE comes in " my friend".... If I get overweight, and unattractive...and unhealthy, my PRIDE will cause me to eat less, hit the gym, and clean myself up... SO you see, PRIDE is not a SIN either.

Hey, thanks for cutting off the last part of my statement...." SPOUTING UNTRUTHS" Hey, you have the right to believe what you want, even if I don't agree with it, and even if you are wrong. All I am doing is trying to present a FAIR view of Satanism.

My user name suits me? HAHA...you attempt at humor amuses me....lmao. Keep blindly following your flock...I'll keep thinking for myself.




posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 02:41 PM
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I left the "spouting untruths" part out because I believe it is false. An untruth, if you will. You may not think it's true, but I wonder how much you've explored true Christianity, via the Bible, not doctrine. I'm guessing about as much as I've explored satanism, which isn't much. I'd be interested in talking to you about this if we could remove the abuse. And I'm not talking just to you, but myself as well, because I've been abusive to you on this thread as well and apologize. Obviously it doesn't really lead to a productive discussion



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
I left the "spouting untruths" part out because I believe it is false. An untruth, if you will. You may not think it's true, but I wonder how much you've explored true Christianity, via the Bible, not doctrine. I'm guessing about as much as I've explored satanism, which isn't much. I'd be interested in talking to you about this if we could remove the abuse. And I'm not talking just to you, but myself as well, because I've been abusive to you on this thread as well and apologize. Obviously it doesn't really lead to a productive discussion


I don't feel I have been abusive, if you have viewe something that way, I am sorry. Actually, I was raised Christian, and have studied the bible quite alot. I have just come to find too many open ends, too many contradictions, too many hypocritial statements for my liking. I am not above a friendly debate, and to clear up any thoughts you may have about me, I don't hate christians, I am actually a very open person. A friend of mine is a muslim, and a few others christians or mixed faiths. Like I said, everyone has a right to believe what they like, but I don't have to agree with it.

I am open for discussion.



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by THENEO
Morbid,

who do you think corrupted christianity in the first place?


Huh... Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer?
(not sure if he was the first tho...)



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by THENEO
Netstorm,

Lucifer and satan are not the same thing nor does satanism infer this, nor does christianity. You need to do your research.

it is not written as Luciferism/satanism is it?

the christians referred to Lucifer as the fallen angel the most beautiful one, they then refer to satan as the prince of darkness. Where the light came from the dark.

Satanism is the worship of physicality period. A return of spirit to material.

Christianity is the worship of spiritual development, the continuation of the spirits development from the physical material that it was made from.


Morbid,

who do you think corrupted christianity in the first place?


Why is it that when someone shows you the truth ,shows you a LINK with the VARIOUS names of who we are discussing you still have to argue the point. DID YOU EVEN GO TO THE LINK? I doubt it. I have to do more research ?. Get a grip boy. You need to get your head out of your culo ,you petach and deal with the facts. It is called Satanism because that is the MOST COMMON name for Satan. Ever heard of Bealzebub? Same freaking guy, just because there is not a foot note that says OH BTW this is Satan also does not mean it isn;t. You bore me dude, learn to accept the fact that you are not always right



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 07:44 PM
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I have attended church now for about 18 years and after you have been there that long you see a lot. I have seen drug addicts come in get saved and nearly go to preaching in one month. And suddenly after about eight months when they have prayed the prayer of faith for someone one too many times and that person died anyway or had to go to the hospital with some serious condition that the medicine of yesterdays witchcraft can help, they get disheartened and leave. People commit adultry within the Church. Some one broke in and stold all the offering one time. One would have to assume it was that seriously dedicated member who never came back again who did it.

My father inlaw said when he was a kid raised in a the church that it was a sin to wear short sleeve shirts, go bowling and play baseball. The ladies couldn't wear makeup and fix themselves up. And you had to give until it hurt or you wasn't in the will of god. Even if it meant you didn't have food on the table next week. If you ever got to go swimming you can best believe it would be with long shorts and a shirt on. It used to be a sin for a woman to wear a mans clothes. Insted, she had to wear some stuffy Mary Poppins dress that went down past her ankles.

I could be a country music star (if they would have me)but it would be a sin to do so or even listen to it. Sometimes some of it just gets a little bit rediculous.

I personally think the whole lid on the sex thing started with people not wanting thier teenage girls pregenate, (and you can't blame them) so someone invented laws to prevent it with the promise of hellfire and brimstone for those who disobeyed.

I have seen a family with a pregenate teenage daughter leave the church because she suddenly wasn't good enough anymore and felt looked down upon. Christians are people with real problems just like anyone else, thats what I've seen. Christianity provides some people with a sense of hope and accomplishment. Sometimes a false one.

I will say this though, if you live a sin free life as much as possible you will have fewer problems. The question is what is sin free? Would it be a sin for some love starved widow near the end of her beauty to have a one night stand?



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by NetStorm

Originally posted by junglejake
I'm confused...Why would you activly worship Satan, the Father of Lies, the Dark Prince of Evil?


Ummm, actually the name Satan, comes from the Islamic word Shaitan, it was given by the church because it means adversary.
If you want to get "technical" (and please I am not a Satanist, I simply study cultures/religions/legends)
Lucifer -Bringer of Light, Prince of Light, is the real name of Satan/Shaitan. The church thought that by giving him an "evil" name he would be less appealing than if they continued calling him Lucifer.


The name Luciifer actually comes from a king who was tempted by Satan in the Old Testament. I'll need some time to find this specific part, since my Old Testament is a little off. Never in the Bible or Tora is Satan refered to as Lucifer.


Here perhaps if you READ you can see for yourself

www.usc.edu...

And BTW it is TORAH which means "To Teach" not TORA. Tora is Japanese for "tiger"
And if you follow this link, and READ you will see that yes the Torah does mention Lucifer.
injil.org...

To save you the trouble of reading, I will include the passage that explains WHY Lucifer's name was changed to Satan, since you like to quote The Torah so much

"Do you remember the first verse of the book of Genesis? It says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." This is important. "In the beginning God!" When nothing yet existed-only One existed. That One was God! Next, we learned how God created millions of holy angels, by the power of His Eternal Word and His Holy Spirit. God created the angels so that they might serve Him and praise Him forever. Among the angels was one with superior wisdom and beauty. That one was Lucifer, the chief of the angels. However, the Scriptures tell us that there was a day when Lucifer became conceited and despised God in his heart. Lucifer and many other angels began to devise a plan to overthrow God. However, no one can overthrow God. God cannot tolerate those who rebel against Him (Lit. refuse His rule). Consequently, God expelled Lucifer and his evil angels and changed the name of Lucifer to Satan, which means Adversary. And after God expelled Satan and his angels, He created for them the fire of hell. The Scriptures say that on the Day of Judgment, God, the Righteous One, will throw Satan into that fire along with all who follow him"



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 07:50 PM
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Prove that "Satan and 'Lucifer' are one and the same.


It's funny when people say that they know what
Lucifer is when they don't even know/understand the
etymology and history of the word. Where and how
many times does it appear in the Bible? What word is it
translated from? How come the word 'Lucifer' is not to
be found once in many/any English translations? Why is
Yeshua called the Morning Star as is Lucifer???


The different names for "Satan" such as 'Bealzebub', are just different attributes of forces in nature. It's like the Kemetian Neteru. The Kemetians didn't worship these Neter as "gods" who literally fly around in the sky or space or whatever. The initiates knew that the stories of these "gods" were just expressions of forces in nature. Set is not an actual being but an attribute of man; kind of like what 'Onemadfool' was saying.

Set and Satan are the ego. The Lower Self that desires and isn't happy with his/her inner or 'Higher Self'; so he/she looks for outward things to fulfill them. What they(Satanists) don't realize, is that you reap what you sow; so this type of attitude will lead them to suffering until they finally figure out that their desires will keep them in hell until they dissolve their karma.

The men who wrote the Bible even knew that there's no literal individual being named "Satan", who tries to tempt everyone in the Universe. Do you really think that initiates of the Kemetian mysteries such as Musa(Moses) and Yeshua would believe in such silly superstitions???




ONE



[Edited on 14-1-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 07:53 PM
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The name Lucifer has NEVER existed in the Torah.



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 09:45 PM
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Is this edition anything like the NIV Bible is to the Holy Bible???



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 11:39 PM
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both satanism and christianity offer the same limited selfist views, people must learn to serve each other not only themselves, the only reason so many hypocracies and loose ends occur in christianity is because the ones who want control took the truths from us when they were brought many centuries ago, damn greedy bastards



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by banjoechef
both satanism and christianity offer the same limited selfist views, people must learn to serve each other not only themselves, the only reason so many hypocracies and loose ends occur in christianity is because the ones who want control took the truths from us when they were brought many centuries ago, damn greedy bastards



There must be something to real Satanism though. If they are sharp enough to pilot the whole world. Or perhaps its just another detour leading the masses into destruction (if the leaders are satanist by golly I'm gonna be one).



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by Tamahu
The name Lucifer has NEVER existed in the Torah.


injil.org...



Review of the First Book of the Torah

Genesis 1-Exodus 1

Peace be with you, listening friends. We greet you in the name of God, the Lord of peace, who wants everyone to understand and submit to the way of righteousness that He has established, and have true peace with Him forever. We are happy to be able to return today to present your program The Way of Righteousness.

We are still studying in the Torah. As you know, the Torah is the first book in the Writings of the Prophets and is divided into five sections or books. The first section is called Genesis (Lit. the Beginning). In our last broadcast, we completed our studies in Genesis. Today then, we begin the second section of the Torah, which is called The Exodus. The book of Exodus contains the amazing and wonderful account of how God freed the children of Israel from the bondage of their slavery in the land of Egypt.

Before we get into the book of Exodus, let us review what we have studied in the first book of the Holy Scriptures. It is crucial that we have a thorough knowledge of the book of Genesis, because it is the foundation that God has laid so that we might understand and believe all that is written in the other books of the prophets which follow.

Do you remember the first verse of the book of Genesis? It says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." This is important. "In the beginning God!" When nothing yet existed-only One existed. That One was God! Next, we learned how God created millions of holy angels, by the power of His Eternal Word and His Holy Spirit. God created the angels so that they might serve Him and praise Him forever. Among the angels was one with superior wisdom and beauty. That one was Lucifer, the chief of the angels. However, the Scriptures tell us that there was a day when Lucifer became conceited and despised God in his heart. Lucifer and many other angels began to devise a plan to overthrow God. However, no one can overthrow God. God cannot tolerate those who rebel against Him (Lit. refuse His rule). Consequently, God expelled Lucifer and his evil angels and changed the name of Lucifer to Satan, which means Adversary. And after God expelled Satan and his angels, He created for them the fire of hell. The Scriptures say that on the Day of Judgment, God, the Righteous One, will throw Satan into that fire along with all who follow him.

Next we read how the Lord created the world for the people whom He planned to create. Man [neuter: A human] is the most important creature of all that God created, because man was created in the image of God! God wanted to have a deep and wonderful relationship with man. That is why He placed in the soul of man a mind capable of knowing God, gave him a heart capable of loving God, and entrusted him with a will capable of obeying God.

Next, we saw how God placed a test before the man and the women whom He had created. God warned Adam saying, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for [in the day that] you eat of it you will surely die!" that is: you will be separated from me forever!

However, we saw how our ancestors, Adam and Eve, chose to obey Satan by eating from the tree which God had forbidden. Consequently, the Word of God says: "Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men." (Rom. 5:12) How true it is that "an epidemic is not confined to the one from whom it originates!" [Wolof proverb] Because of Adam's sin, we are all sinners. Because of Adam's sin, we all deserve to die and face God's judgment.

Next, we learned how God expelled Adam and Eve from the Garden of Paradise because of their sin. However, before He expelled them, God announced how He planned to send into the world a Redeemer to save the children of Adam from the power of Satan and from the penalty of sin. God, in His wonderful design, had a plan to redeem sinners. His plan was to send into the world a perfect Man who would not be contaminated by the sin of Adam. This righteous Man would willingly shed His blood to pay the debt of sin for the children of Adam. In this way, God could forgive people of their sins, without compromising His justice. Truly, what God promised concerning the coming Redeemer was an amazing promise!

Next we saw how God confirmed that wonderful promise by sacrificing some animals, and making for Adam and Eve clothes of skin. God was teaching Adam and Eve that "the payment for sin is death" and that "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin."

After that, we learned about Adam's first two sons, Cain and Abel. We saw how Abel offered God a lamb without blemish and slaughtered it, thus symbolizing the Redeemer who was to come into the world and die for sinners. As for Cain, he tried to approach God through his own efforts, offering Him what he had cultivated. Consequently, the Scriptures say: "the Lord accepted Abel, but He did not accept Cain." Why did God not accept the sacrifice of Cain? Because God's law did not say: "the payment for sin is good works!" Rather, it stated: "the payment for sin is death!" and "without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin." God pleaded with Cain to repent and accept the way of righteousness that He had ordained, but Cain became furious, and killed his younger brother, Abel.

Most of Adam's descendants followed the footsteps of Cain, so that by the time of Noah, the Scriptures say that God "saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time." Because of man's wicked heart, God purposed to send a flood to wipe out rebellious sinners. In that corrupt time, only Noah believed God, which was why God told him to build a large boat, which would be a refuge for all who entered it. God was patient with sinners for a long time while Noah was constructing the boat. However, no one repented and entered the boat, except Noah and his family.

Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth. The prophet Abraham descended from Shem. We read how God commanded Abraham to leave his father's house and go to the land of Canaan (Palestine). God planned to make of Abraham a new nation from which the prophets of God and the Savior of the world would come forth. That is why God said to Abraham, "You will be a [door of] blessingand all nations of the earth will be blessed through you." (Gen. 12:2,3)

Thus, Abraham became the father of Isaac in his old age, just as God had promised. Isaac then became the father of Jacob, and Jacob, whom God renamed Israel, became the father of twelve sons. And from the twelve sons of Jacob originated the new nation which God had promised Abraham, the nation of Israel.

In the past three programs, we have been looking into the captivating story of the sons of Jacob, particularly the one named Joseph, the eleventh son. The elder brothers of Joseph hated him, but God blessed him and made him the ruler over all the land of Egypt. After that, a famine fell on Egypt and the whole land of Canaan, causing great misery. As a result, Jacob and his sons had nothing to eat. When Jacob heard that Egypt had grain, he sent his sons there. We then saw how Joseph made himself known to his brethren, forgave them, and called his father and all his family to move and settle in Egypt. Thus, at the end of the book of Genesis, we see that the children of Israel were no longer in the land of Canaan which God had promised Abraham, but in Egypt. However, all this happened to fulfil what God had told Abraham a long time previously when he said to him:


"Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and ill-treated four hundred years. But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterwards they will come out with great possessions." (Gen. 15:13,14)


God Himself had his hand on all that happened to the children of Israel. Why did God allow Abraham's great grandchildren, the Israelites, to settle in Egypt, when He had promised them the land of Canaan? Because God intended to show forth His glory and His power through what would happen to the Israelites in the land of Egypt. God planned to deliver the children of Israel by His awesome power, so that everyone might know that He is the King of kings; Lord of lords, the Almighty!

Now, listening friends, in the few minutes that we have left today, let us read from the first chapter of the book of Exodus. The Scripture says:


(Exodus 1) 6Now Joseph and all his brothers and all that generation died, 7but the Israelites were fruitful and multiplied greatly and became exceedingly numerous, so that the land was filled with them. 8Then a new king, who did not know about Joseph, came to power in Egypt. 9"Look," he said to his people, "the Israelites have become much too numerous for us. 10Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country."

11So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh. 12But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and spread; so the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites 13and worked them ruthlessly. 14They made their lives bitter with hard labor in brick and mortar and with all kinds of work in the fields; in all their hard labor the Egyptians used them ruthlessly.

15The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, 16"When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live." 17The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live. 18Then the king of Egypt summoned the midwives and asked them, "Why have you done this? Why have you let the boys live?" 19The midwives answered Pharaoh, "Hebrew women are not like Egyptian women; they are vigorous and give birth before the midwives arrive."

20So God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and became even more numerous. 21And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own. 22Then Pharaoh gave this order to all his people: "Every boy that is born you must throw into the Nile, but let every girl live."


This is where the first chapter of the book of Exodus ends. In the will of God, in the next broadcast, we will get into this extraordinary story and see how God called a man and prepared him to deliver the children of Israel from the hand of Pharoah, the wicked king of Egypt. Do you know the name of this man? Yes, it is Moses--the prophet of God, Moses.

Thank you for listening.God bless you. And remember:


"Everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope." (Rom. 15:4)



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 11:39 AM
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Sorry, but it looks like you just copied and
pasted all that for your own health .

Im'a ask you this:

How do you translate the words god,
God, lord, The Lord, Jesus and Lucifer into
Hebrew???

Which one of those is plural?

Which one of those words, when literally
translated into Hebrew and/or English;
doesn't say the exact same thing
as 'Lucifer' literally translated into
English? The HEBREW word used in
Isaiah only roughly translates to
being the same as the Latin 'Lucifer'.

And where in the Bible does it say
that "God changed the name of Lucifer to
Satan". More nonsense .




ONE



[Edited on 15-1-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 08:27 PM
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where does the name lucifage come from as used by Manly P. Hall?



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by mutehalo
i gave satanism a look a few years back when i realised christianity was total bs. all it struck me as was yet another religion created to controll the masses. while it offers more freedom, like christianity there are still guidelines to live by. its nothing more than another means of controll for those who got fed up with crhistianity.

mutehalo, all religions are a tool to control the masses. You are correct. The only way to connect with the true God or Creator, is through yourself. I don't want to offend anyone by saying this, but it is true.



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by Tamahu
Sorry, but it looks like you just copied and
pasted all that for your own health .

Im'a ask you this:

How do you translate the words god,
God, lord, The Lord, Jesus and Lucifer into
Hebrew???

Which one of those is plural?

Which one of those words, when literally
translated into Hebrew and/or English;
doesn't say the exact same thing
as 'Lucifer' literally translated into
English? The HEBREW word used in
Isaiah only roughly translates to
being the same as the Latin 'Lucifer'.

And where in the Bible does it say
that "God changed the name of Lucifer to
Satan". More nonsense .




ONE



[Edited on 15-1-2004 by Tamahu]


Tamahu

I simply post the info that I find.
The page I found, says
Review of the First Book of the Torah.
Now, even though I was married to a Jew, and even though I participated in (Shool) that is probably spelled wrong, it is Temple.
I participated in Passover etc, I still need tools for research.
The page I found appeared to be the most promising one.
I copied and pasted, to show where it said what it said. Not being a Torah scholar, I would not know if this is true or not. Would be kind like me asking you about the burial rituals of the Chibcha Indians , if you had not seen it, studied it, you would post the research you found correct?
The research I found indicated what I have posted. I try NOT to argue, simply to present the facts that I find.
You on the other hand, state facts, yet do not show me links where I can verify or read these facts.
So, how do we arrive at a conclusion?
I've emailed a Rabbi friend, and asked him to do some research for me. He has not answered as of yet.
Again, I do not come to these boards to argue, simply to compare notes.
But if someone says "Hey you are wrong, this is the way it is, AND does NOT show me where they drew this conclusion from, then I will reply with what research I found until someone shows me that there is better and more logical research..
Does that make sense?
Have a funny day



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:15 PM
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It seems that to much attention is paid to unnessary detail

Whatever the defenition of lucifer is, we all know who it refers to


any

posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:25 PM
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For #'s sake will you all actually listen to yourselves go on?

Both sides are given a book to read which is the antithesis of the other and you got at each other like cats and dogs.


WELL DONE, YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOUR RULERS WANT YOU TO!

Are you proud?



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:45 PM
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dany boy there knows where it's at



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