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Dateline Mole Caught at DefCon with Hidden Camera

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posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 05:49 PM
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that was great watching that snag take place. kudos to the hawks in that event. awesome!




posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 06:16 PM
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I swear I can barely type I am laffin so hard. This is the best news I have seen I came on board

These hackers are our first and last line of defense against not just breaches but assaults of the type that took place by Russia against Estonia.
They are the true libertarians of technology that prevent total and complete hegemony of the internet and the tech behind it by corporations and governments. They should have inserted that camera on her ET style .
Thank you Radioactive Liquid for the article. and it was fun reading all the posts. I I swear
i am still laughing God help me I hope I dont croak.


SyS o/





[edit on 4-8-2007 by Sys_Config]



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 06:40 PM
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Folks:

Give her a break. I guarantee this was not HER idea. She isn't even a reporter for Dateline NBC. She's a young kid, trying to make a career in broadcast journalism, and she did what a producer told her to do.

I would have done the same thing at her age. You don't get a gig with a network show and then refuse to do something because you question the journalistic ethics. You're still figuring out your journalistic ethics at that point

Yeah, I'm happy she got busted because I've really come to despise the judgemental attitude (and IMHO, entrapment techniques) of Dateline NBC. But it's unfair that HER picture is getting splashed all over the internet when it almost certainly wasn't her idea, and the people who put her up to it get away scot free.



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Inannamute
Um, Defcon isn't "twisted" people.. It's basically a group of high level geeks.


I think dgtempe was referring to Dateline's Chris Hansen and their "To Catch A Predator" entrapment goldmine show, not to the Defcon attendees.

I'm inclined to agree with her too, I think it's one of the most repulsive things on TV today. But it's a guaranteed moneymaker, and it titillates it's audience at the same time it makes them feel morally superior - you can't beat that for ratings!



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 07:31 PM
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Really enjoyed watching this, makes such a nice change to see a positive news story once in a while.



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 07:50 PM
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OK well its cool that they caught her but they made themselves look like the geeks that they are. They shouldn't have followed her like that, She is just trying to make a living just like most of us buy doing what the boss man says. I would have liked to see her pepper spray them dorks for following her that close to her car, She had every right to feel threatened.



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 08:11 PM
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What would be better, is if they try to sue NBC/Dateline for trying to circumvent the rules and regulations ... marking the media outlet as trying to 'terrorize' the innocent people and event. Now, THAT would be sweet justice



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 08:24 PM
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Obviously they didn't bother to research the Con at all before sending her in, in years past they played a game called Spot-A-Fed where they would try to spot federal agents doing just what she was doing, except with real risk of being busted not so much for hacking as for violating laws against reverse engineering of proprietary hardware and software. Considering the Defcon forums have several posts there regarding techniques to spot Feds in the crowds, its patently obvious that they will spot some chick with no training or advice on how to blend in with the crowd and not be blatantly obvious.

I would not be surprised to find that next year Defcon and perhaps even HOPE will now add Spot-a-Spy to the list of events and give out prizes to those spotted and who do the spotting. I'm sure this made this year one to remember in the long history of Defcon, kudos to them for outing the spy amongst them.



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
They shouldn't have followed her like that,


Isn't that exactly what we see members of the media do every single day?



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 09:02 PM
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So incredibly refreshing to see private citizens fighting back against the propaganda machine finally!!

We all know she was there to do yet another sensationalistic story about a NEW and CONSTANT threat to security!! The national news media outlets are a primary instrument of the powers that be and if it wasn't obvious before it should be obvious now that said powers are regretting very much how Open and Unregulated the internet is.

If she hadn't have been caught we'd have been bombarded with some silly and implausible story of high level hackers gone bad supplying inside security info to the highest bidder. (all of this said in the patent melodramatic style probably with a scary theme track and a kitschy little box that typed up in green lettering on a black background security for sale!! in a pseudo old school hacker bbs style)

Instead we got an open and honest look at how far these mouthpieces for the supression of freedom in the name of security really operate!

How pathetic is it that at an event that ALLOWS the press to attend as long as they agree to not be paparazzi jackals and follow rules that dateline still tried to sneak someone in? That's what I call integrity!

freakin idiots.



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex

Originally posted by Inannamute
Um, Defcon isn't "twisted" people.. It's basically a group of high level geeks.


I think dgtempe was referring to Dateline's Chris Hansen and their "To Catch A Predator" entrapment goldmine show, not to the Defcon attendees.

I'm inclined to agree with her too, I think it's one of the most repulsive things on TV today. But it's a guaranteed moneymaker, and it titillates it's audience at the same time it makes them feel morally superior - you can't beat that for ratings!

I agree with xmotex. Dateline just pornifies itself for ratings. dgempe is soooo right!



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 10:59 PM
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Why are you glamorizing these people? They admit to reverse engineering propriety technology, all that does is discourage innovation by destroying the profit motive. Heck, you can almost be sure that a large number of them are involved in more malicious stuff like DoS attacks and malicious spam.

How exactly are they "standing up to the man", anyways? If all they're doing is revealing the government's dirty tricks, why have secrecy? We reveal those all the time in the public domain.

No, these people are mostly crooks and don't deserve respect.


apc

posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 11:28 PM
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If we didn't reverse engineer proprietary technology we wouldn't have things like velco, compact disks, stealth bombers...


Saying most hackers are crooks is like saying most astronauts are drunk. Hackers are explorers. It is the epic battle of Man vs. Machine.



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 12:53 AM
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lol pwnt! the media defanitly needs to stop trying to exploit their betters



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 02:48 AM
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I don't what is stupider, announcing to the world that you're a hacker and announcing a hacker convention
or sending in a youngish female communications major into it to secretly video tape them? Cybergeeks are going to spot her ignorance in about 5 minutes or relentlessly watch her every move because she's probably on the few women in the convention.

IMHO hacking into any computer SHOULD be a crime. Here's my reasoning: when I was serving in the US military, we faced no less than 100 cyberattacks an hour. I can't tell you how many times we were told by Comm personnel that network access was down due to some hacker backdooring our system when we needed to communicate with another base. So thousands of man-hours and literally millions of everyone's tax dollars were wasted because some geekboy wanted to get his mental jollies off. Victimless crime my ass. Worse thing is that many times the databases they were breaking into weren't classified and had zero personal data. It was info that they could legally access by simply downloading the Federal Budget which as available to everyone. There's whole website devoted to its analysis, anything that's classifed as Secret or above never gets onto a computer that's hooked into the internet.

Everyone wonders why the Fed's have got such a woody for Gary McKinnon in the UK. The internet is filled so much crap spam and hackers right now that it's actually slower now in some places using broadband the some of the old dial-up services. It's costing everyone in world something like $40 billion a year in just lost productivity. With freedom comes responsibility, most hackers I've met don't care what kind of mayhem their attacks costs their fellow internet users in wasted bandwith and money as long as they can tell their fellow hackers that they busted into x's computer.




posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 03:29 AM
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That is so freaking hilarious!
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the room to see her face when they announced who she was...He he!



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by uberarcanist
Why are you glamorizing these people? They admit to reverse engineering propriety technology, all that does is discourage innovation by destroying the profit motive.

How exactly are they "standing up to the man", anyways?

No, these people are mostly crooks and don't deserve respect.



Sometimes you need to rebel just for the sake of rebelling.

Also, some people are not so shallow as to only be motivated by greed or in your words " profit motive " to create. Some people create just to create.



[edit on 5-8-2007 by DarkMile77]



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by ClintK
Yeah, I'm happy she got busted because I've really come to despise the judgemental attitude (and IMHO, entrapment techniques) of Dateline NBC. But it's unfair that HER picture is getting splashed all over the internet when it almost certainly wasn't her idea, and the people who put her up to it get away scot free.


Um, she chose to go do this. And yes, she did have a choice. When someone thinks that they don't have a choice to do something, just because they're being pressured into doing it, then maybe they've landed themselves into the wrong line of work. When you sacrifice your ethics for something as ridiculous as a story, then you deserve anything that you have coming.

To me, she deserved this, and more. Actually, if we think about it, she may have lost more than just her pride. This could be a career killer right here. It sucks that she might have to find new work and all, but she made the ultimate decision to go do the story in the first place; no one forced her into it under penalty of death.

All I'm saying is that we need to keep things in perspective here. She was clearly in the wrong, and whether she was coerced into this or not is irrelevant to the fact that she actually did it.

TheBorg



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by uberarcanist
Why are you glamorizing these people?


I don't think the point is really to glamorise them, I think it's more to de-glamorise the media and journalists who think they're all high-and-mighty because they report false-information.

And not all hackers are bad. In fact, the ones at Defcon are probably the good sort who are just interested in furthering their knowledge of technology and computers, and the convention is a good way to do that.

The real bad-ass hackers and crackers are probably so underground that they wouldn't go to Defcon anyway.



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 07:56 AM
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Um, she chose to go do this. And yes, she did have a choice.


Well I never said she didn't, technically, have a choice. She could have refused, and she probably would have been fired from her job. And that probably would have ended her career. Would that have made you happy?

I don't think some people here have ANY idea of how difficult it is to get a career in broadcast journalism. The competition for entry level jobs is RIDICULOUS. I know, I used to be a TV news reporter. To get a job on a network show with good ratings is the best possible start to a career you could ask for, and usually only happens when you have connections. People in local TV news dream of getting a shot at a network gig. Most never do.

So she's asked to go under cover for a show that's been around FIFTEEN YEARS and actually goes under cover all the time. Why wouldn't she? And who's to say there's been any violation of journalistic ethics in the first place? Some situations are cut-and-dry, such as when my news director (that's the boss of a news department at a broadcast station) made me supress a story because it involved a relative of his. But this was not cut-and-dry. The idea that it's "unethical" to go undercover --in an effort to try to catch criminal wrongdoing-- because the people committing those crimes don't want you to isn't going to wash with the vast majority of journalists.

But even if you DO think it's unethical, this would not be a HUGELY unethical thing. To throw away a career over it would be almost unbelievably stupid.

I have to question how many of the smug, judgemental people on this thread, who seem to be enjoying this young girl's pain and humiliation, would have done things ANY differently in the same situation.



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