New Evidence from CDR Rutdlege backs Alien ship story!

There were inconsistencies that some of the above posts mentioned, but I think these were addressed on the interview for whatever its worth. The reporter has the full text at his website as well asi interesting sidebars.
Story with storyline and photos of youtube

as a sidenote not related ..if you want to hear Ronald Regan address the "alien threat" on the website i posted..just hit home or reenter angelimarriti.com which will put you on homepagefirst.

Sys

Originally posted by Implosion
The phrase "at the cape" is particularly enlightening; if you'd bother to read the story at all, one which has been covered in great detail over the past few months on this very board, you would know that the purported launch site wasn't "the cape" at all, but in actual fact Vandenberg AFB. This I think proves beyond all doubt, that you don't know the fist thing about the story, and you are just another armchair sceptic bandwagon jumper.

I think you should have checked up on Vandenburg capabilities first. Looks like you are the one who knows nothing, not that it is your fault for believing a hoax mind you but according to this cached NASA Site Vanenburg was never capable of launching a saturn because it had no pads for it.

Source

There never was a USAF Saturn IB or V no USAF launch pads for them

I don't know what you see but there is a service module in that picture.

And a Saturn V was never launched from a Saturn IB pad, even for NASA

Also that is a NASA Saturn V and there are no others. either the picture has been modified or more than likely ice is covering the roll stripes

A Saturn V could have launched if from VAFB if a pad was constructed

Again, you're missing the point. I know the problems associated with constructing, or launching a Saturn V from Vandenberg. I like the way you assume I believe this story, even when I have made my views perfectly clear, in this thread, and many others on the topic. I am not debating the fact of this case with you, rather, I am saying that in my subjective perception of the world, you appear to be someone who knows nothing about this particular story, who is regurgitating with great authority things you have seen other people say, apparently in a vain effort to appear smart.

That is all.

[edit on 5/8/07 by Implosion]

Originally posted by shots
but according to this cached NASA Site...

Sorry, but I don't think that is a NASA site.

As they say:

The website of NASASpaceFlight.com is maintained by a group of professional journalists and webmasters. Together they strive to provide our visitors with the best space on the web. If you wish to contact us, please send your mail to Chris Bergin.

(Edited to show that this is just my opinion.)

[edit on 5/8/2007 by ArMaP]

Originally posted by Implosion
I know the problems associated with constructing, or launching a Saturn V from Vandenberg.

Well if you were aware of the problems why then did you say it was launched fromt here knowing all long it was not possible? Hell I knew they had no pads to launch it and that was the reason I never mentioned vandberg to begin with duh.

Now back to the topic which is the alleged launch of apllo 20, how and where did they launch it from without anyone seeing it? By your own admission and my reseach we know it could not have been Vandenburg as alleged by the hoaxsters. A little more research on your part will turn up nothing on an offical NASA site listing the alleged commander by name either I might add. There is only a few sites using his name and those are all non nasa sites that are all talking about this alleged launch.

So now we have two questions where is the alleged commander did the aliens snatch him? and where oh where was it launched from w/o anyone seeing it?

Originally posted by ArMaP
quote]
Sorry, but I don't think that is a NASA site.

You are correct I made that assumption without checking, sorry bout that but they do seem to have extensive knowlege on the subject

[edit on 8/5/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Implosion
I know the problems associated with constructing, or launching a Saturn V from Vandenberg.

Well if you were aware of the problems why then did you say it was launched fromt here knowing all long it was not possible? Hell I knew they had no pads to launch it and that was the reason I never mentioned vandberg to begin with duh.

I never said it was, I said it was purported to be. That is how the story goes, Vandenberg not Cape Canaveral. If you knew the fact of the story, why make such a glaringly obvious error?

The fact is, not one thing brought up in this thread, hasn't been brought up before on others. I'm all for critical thinking, I fail to see how repeating that which has gone before in an apparent attempt to appear knowledgeable helps anyone on this site.

I looked at the launch schedule history from Vandenburg and ran into the gobalsecurity network which give me a 404 page which asked me nicely "why are you here", but unlike a regular 404 itwas a nicely done, and scared me though and I said Oh ***. website by the same touchy folx. I got the launch history that included minutemen,titans,atlas,thors, but could not find a saturn, but the site said it will not include any classified launches.
What I noticed was like a very busy schedule for just about every year, since the 50's av 1 every two weeks. which address the argument anyone would jump and notice. (not necessarily if they were acclimated to frequent launches for decades)The Saturn had several stages,3, the biggest at the bottom, made up as best I understand several f1 engines, the whole rocket made by 3 different companies. I also noted elswhere that the bottom part could be used by another rocket, which is launched by Vandenburg. Even the current space program has been criticized for continually using off the shelf parts. The response being they are tried and true.
Vandenburg site

spacearchives

I found another chronological history of vandenburg very interesting particularly where billions of dollars spent on a pad area never used that would handle a saturn size payloads...some blamed it on problems with poor work crews and even an indian curse, yet offers the tantalizing fact that Vandenberg is usually shrouded in fog, and launches would be covered from curious eyes.

A better history of Vandenburg

a small snippet states

Unlike swampy Cape Canaveral, Vandenberg is not flat. Most of the terrain rises up from the ocean in a series of crags and mesas, and an observer can look out upon the ocean and up and down the coast. The manufactured facilities like launch towers are often obscured behind low mountains, making it hard to see them until a rocket comes roaring off the pad. The weather is often cold and foggy, and launch crews frequently fire their rockets in the fog, so that they are quickly lost from sight once they rise off their pads and sail into space on their often-classified missions.

Alas, Fellow posters, just when I think I can put the proverbial nail in using my nearly supernatural powers of discernment, along with everyones keen powers of observation and endless wit..no cigar..

As one of my great mentors once said..

"I'll be back"

Sys



[edit on 6-8-2007 by Sys_Config]

Anyone care to answer the following questions ?

1. Apollo 19-20 ? So where did Apollo 18 disappear to ?
2. How did NASA launch several Saturn V rockets without them being noticed ? Did they borrow Harry Potter's invisibility cloak ?

Sys_Config
The launch was supposedly in August 26, 1976.

Did you find anything at that date?

Have you any way of knowing if the weather was consistent with the supposed video from the launch posted by retiredafb?

On Apollo 13, does any one believe the fall back to Earth thing.

They are going 24,000 mph to the moon with little maneuvering jets,
go around the moon and make all adjustments to come back safe.

I mean back when everyone was ignorant of even reading HG WELLS
from here to the moon it was a hit.

Now when every one is ignorant of TV ( developed as a propaganda tool by
the NAZIS) we get Moon stories on TV.

Its story telling, plain ans simple.
Invented by Nazis and continued by Nazis.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
I got the launch history that included minutemen,titans,atlas,thors, but could not find a saturn, but the site said it will not include any classified launches.

Sure they list them on some schedules they just state the missions purpose is classified.

a quick kw search of nasa classified missions will give you examples.

A veteran of three space flights, Culbertson has logged over 144 days in space. He was pilot of STS-38 aboard Atlantis, a classified mission for the Department of Defense in November 1990.
Source

There have been ten DOD dedicated shuttle launches. They are STS 51C, 51J, 27, 28, 33, 36, 38, 39, 44, and 53 (STS, which stands for Space Transportation System, also known as the Space Shuttle). Many of these missions remain secret even today Source

Originally posted by Implosion

If you knew the fact of the story, why make such a glaringly obvious error?

it was just an oversight on my part I made when I replied it slipped my mind for a minute. I am human and I make mistakes just as you

I fail to see how repeating that which has gone before in an apparent attempt to appear knowledgeable helps anyone on this site.

I was not trying to appear knowlegable as you claim keep in mind everyone does not read every thread on this site therefore duplication happens. Something you have to learn to live with.



[edit on 8/6/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
I was not trying to appear knowlegable as you claim keep in mind everyone does not read every thread on this site therefore duplication happens. Something you have to learn to live with.

Don't worry, I'm well aware that ATS is filled with people who enjoy sharing their completely uninformed opinions as if they were fact. Having to live with it does not mean I can't bitch about it every once in a while.

Another Fake Video?

That is the original thread on this matter, it's worth a read, you can find many of the points that you yourself have brought up, and others. There are many holes in this story. It certainly appears to be a hoax. Having said that, IMO it's not your everyday hoax. It seems to me that a lot of work and effort has gone into it, despite its flaws. A lot of research, the attention to detail with regard to positions of craters that line up pretty much exactly with NASA's own released photography of the area. This is why I am still watching with interest, I want to know what the pay off is for the creator. I want to know the motivation for such an enterprise. I find this to be one of the more interesting current stories, and I can't help but get frustrated at all the people who make the same points over and over again whilst appearing not to know the first thing about the subject.

I find it odd how retiredafb updated his profile about apollo 20 and X'd out Leonov's name.

It now says "Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and XXXXXX XXXXXXX, soviet cosmonaut."

I'm pretty sure he listed Leonov there before... I wonder if this has anything to do with spaceheroes.org

[edit on 6-8-2007 by curiousbeliever]

Please delete post

Thank you

[edit on 8/6/2007 by shots]

Armap i checked weather archives with noa and another major..no luck except for averages of precipitation. I checked the weather for this week..and it reads textbook classic from that link above. cloudy,then foggy,cloudy..I lost the link but its standard current weather stuff for locals . theres a vandenberg village if it doesnt take Vandenberg afb.
Thanks for the u2



Sys

Hi everyone



I just checked out spaceheroes.org, and the thing that does not make sense to me is that they have a SHOP link, if they (whoever they are) are plannig to sell any type of merchandise it just would ruin this Apollo 20 subject for me. My point has always been that the videos posted on Youtube are just too much elaborated to be a hoax just for the heck of it.

There is definitely a purpose for someone to go through all this work. On the other hand I just wonder at the thought that "you know who" got to Rutledge, and since he has not posted any more videos (he claimed he had over twenty hours of footage), this is a possibility for me. I remember that Rutledge said that he was going to give NASA until this month of August to come clean, I guess time is running out.

Stange how he (or they?)deleted Leonov from the Youtube page, isn´t it?.

Hi camilo, I think we better hand out soap bars to more than the gov., heck, we may all need some of that lather too.Sometimes I think there is a concerted effort to give enuff info, that can be debunked so that we lose interest or they repair a leak..sadly we are going to have to do these almost case by case, which gives the commercialists a chance to make some money. and researchers a chance to see how we react and do our own research by tracing us.
I did check out spaceheroes.org and did not get too bad a feeling from it, since if the person(s) may be just trying to pay for the expense of the site, and even on a stipend these things can get expensive. And its true there are lots of heroes we may never read about, only getting medals in private ceremonies. One of my favorite sites asked for donations , and she had great stuff on it called anomalies-unlimited.com. it may still be up..with things like the underground base at Denver airport and well..on and on. funny as all hell too like the Michaeljackson before and after thru about 20 ops.But you could trust her motives. But not all is fake. I have seen myself so I know, yet I have to still take with a grain of salt many things. You have to change hats all the time, sometimes even a dunce cap..but thats all right..you keep digging .. one truth will dispell a thousand lies..Remember that ufo business is a multi million dollar business..be ready for anything..and just try to have a comfortable ride, a Bad ufo hoax can be like catchin a bad taxicab so if you have a bad feeling dont hitch a ride on one.

I found a nice balanced analysis on exopolitics on this whole issue.

on rutledge by exopolitics


Hey Buddy!..Goin my Way ?



SyS



[edit on 7-8-2007 by Sys_Config]

Hi,

I'm the guy that was summarily banned from the NASASpaceFlight.com forum for posting authentic images of a Saturn V clearly showing no rotation indicators. I also posted an image of the rocket sitting on the pad. The images were captured from a YouTube video no longer available. The video was rather dark, so I did a tone adjustment so I could see what was there. I could be wrong, but my first impression was that the command module was sitting on struts. But this just might be an effect of the tone adjustment.

Everything seemed to be fine until I posted an image of what appeared to me to be a female pilot being ingressed into the command module by two North American Rockwell employees, pointing out the pilot's exceptionally narrow waist line and nice figure, much more petite than the pilot who ingressed immediately before her.

As a note, I believe one of the marks on the Saturn V in flight image is a caricature/logo of the planet Saturn, complete with ring around it. There is writing going vertically in red. For reasons I won't go into right now, I believe I have a pretty good idea what it says. Anyway, as you can see, there is no "ice" covering the rotation marks.

It appears I created extreme panic in the forum moderator, as if a bunch of false reality boxes that site has created over the years were about to be shattered.

I was only a member of that forum for about an hour before I was summarily executed, without warning of any kind.

I will attempt to attach the images I posted there before the entire thread (including respondees) was deleted (note the Ingress image is modified to include a third frame not present in the original).

Regards,

J