Originally posted by tyranny22
So, let's do some math ...
5 million earth-like planets x 250 million galaxies = 1, 250, 000,000,000,000 (One quadrillion, two hundred and fifty trillion)
Then, consider that some galaxies have been around 4 times longer than life has existed on our planet.
That's a big chance for intelligent life. And this was a conservative estimate.
[edit on 3-8-2007 by tyranny22]
You were overly conservative and missed 3 zeros on the quote (you used 250 million instead of billion galaxies), but it was still quite high ... even
if you took another 3-6 zeros, the chances of life being out there are higher than you hitting the lotto ... and people hit the lotto everyday!
so in turn, I will do closer to the estimated numbers on the higher end
You said the supercomputer estimated over 500 billion (I still find that to be conservative personally) ... so 500,000,000,000 galaxies.
100 million earth like planets per galaxy (still find that to be conservative, since our technology is very limited) 100,000,000 earth-like
This would be 50,000,000,000,000,000,000 earth like planets in the 'known' universe. 5 x 10^19 ... just let that sink in. 50 trillion trillion
possible earth like planets. In terms of human concept, which I think for 99.9999999% of the population is impossible ... Do you know how long you
would have to live to add up to that many seconds of life? 1,584,404,390,701.45 YEARS In fact, that is so many years, if you added up all the
seconds of everyone's lives currently living on the planet (7 billion - 7,000,000,000) and averaged their lives to 75 years ... you would still only
have less than 1/3 the amount of required time.
I am just trying to use math and something people can think about with some resolution. I can't really think of any better examples at the moment.
Time itself is a hard concept for a lot of people.
I don't care what percentage you want to use ... even 1 trillionth of a chance of life on each earth-like planet, that still leaves 50 trillion
inhabitable earth-like planets. Take another 1 trillionth for intelligent life with means of communication and space travel ... that still leaves 50
planets ... (I still don't think we qualify as one of the 'intelligent' species yet with lack of respect for our planet, other animal and plant
life, and our fellow humans ... we are worse than the rest of our co-earth-inhabiting-animals at co-existence).
There is one problem with the above assumptions. There is nothing that proves life has to exist with OUR needs. If you take that into consideration
... now the number of planets with possible life can be trillions of times more than even the higher estimate. Think outside the box (or sphere).
There would be a good reason we don't find 'communications' ... ours is primitive. We have only had radio and t.v. for a very short time ... we
use wavelengths that have serious issues. It would make sense a smarter creature would in fact, use better technology. Compared to a space-faring
species, we are no more than primitive cave-men ... maybe ones who are about to discover the wheel ... but, still quite behind the curve. I feel
that way even if there wasn't other life out there. We are like babies with nuclear pistols. We just found electricity for the masses. Although,
it can be argued that we had prior civilizations that were far more advanced than we give credit for ... maybe they became over-zealous and tried to
take over the stars and bully the pacifists ... they in turn put us back in our place and eliminated most of the signs of technology.
I think a lot of things we find on this planet are hidden from us, as not to disturb the carefully orchestrated textbooks based on nonsensical
theories and unprovable data sets.
Do I believe life is out there ... yes. Does that mean I can't be religious? No. Aliens and religion are not exclusive from each other. If I
told you there was Washington D.C. and a government there ... does that mean that other governments don't exist elsewhere? No ... just because a
religion does not speak of other worlds, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Do I believe other life would have interstellar technology ... most likely. If they do, and found us, they would observe us as we do other earthly
creatures, since they are on a level above our own. In fact, I think the theory in Star Trek where they would talk to whales is quite accurate ...
we are like an ant colony, but whales have been proven to communicate on a level far above our own vocally. I also found the Ferengi comment quite
amusing and rather a true analogy for the current human state of mind globally.
I could see us being viewed as a zoo, or entertainment. We may be watched more than we realize, and played with as well. Since we ourselves our
developing visual stealth technology (as opposed to radar stealth), it would be fair to assume they can 'cloak' themselves quite readily.
We, in general, limit ourselves to thinking in our own terms, instead of galactic terms. Our limitations and understandings may be quite simple to
overcome, but since we 'learn' certain ways, we hold ourselves back. Until we get past these false regulations, we won't make the next leap in
technology without outside influence. Some like tesla I think do go outside the normal boundaries and do give us these massive jumps that we need to
become more benevolent.
The comment about watching too much Star Trek ... who knows, that might be what it is like out there ... if you look at our Space Command patches,
they have a very similar symbol to the Star Trek patch Space Command
Patch/Star Trek Federation?
... Star Trek emblem
. Who knows, maybe
Roddenbury and Lucas knew something we didn't
All I am getting at, to assume anything is a form of ignorance ... we don't have any provable facts AGAINST aliens, visitations, etc. If you want
burden of proof, I say make it go both ways. I know if I ever get a picture of a craft/alien and presented it here, it would be debunked and defamed
as soon as it was posted, as if people are paid to wait for such a post ... no matter how real the image I theoretically posted would be ... in
fact, I wouldn't post it. I would U2U a mod, let them analyze and post it instead