“Alarmist”? What are you implying exactly?
Please stick to the topic and leave personal angles out of it.
[Quote] Yes, the report states that there was a time period where there were not proper accountability procedures in place.
Did we read the same document? I was referring to this one;
Page 2 clearly states that MNSTC-I did not keep centralized record of weapons supplied to the Iraqis before 2005, blaming it on “insufficient staff
and the lack of fully operational distribution network”.
Here’s what it means in layman's terms.
1. A guy orders a gun from a catalogue. Shipping terms clearly show a requirement for delivery confirmation, AKA signature of the recipient.
2. The shipping company delivers the package, but instead of getting the recipient to sign for the package, the driver had to just throw the box on
the steps because he was late making other deliveries.
3. The gun simply disappears, and when the shipping company is confronted with the loss, they just say that they did not have enough staffing to
assure delivery confirmation and any kind of record keeping for that matter.
4. The gun ends up on the streets and is used by criminals to kill people, while another gun is simply shipped as a replacement to the guy that
originally bought it.
5. Nobody ever finds out if the gun was indeed picked up by somebody else, or if it was simply stolen by the driver since he knew that no records are
kept of the deliveries.
How does that sound?
Only in 2005 did MNSTC-I set up property books and attempted to recover “lost” records.
I’m using quotations with “lost” simply because in the day and age of bar scanners, RFID tags and computerized data base systems, loosing things
becomes increasingly difficult, especially when we are talking such massive amounts of stuff.
Loaded AK-47 weights about 4.5 kilos or 10 pounds.
110 thousand of them weight 495 tons or 1,100 pounds, and that’s with out shipping crates.
Average combloc tank weights around 45 tons, so going by net weight of the guns them self, it would be an equivalent of “missing” 11 tanks!
Tanks can move under their own power, while guns have to be MOVED by somebody, so are we to believe that somebody moved over 500 tons of gear with out
We’re talking a convoy of trucks and a warehouse type scenario here, not a lost pair of socks.
[Quote] You're statement completely ignores the well established fact that the vast majority of weapons captured by the US can be traced to 1. The
Saddam Hussein era 2. Iran and/or 3. China.
Proof please. Dates, numbers, facts, all would be appreciated.
Let’s start form the fact of disarmament of Iraqi population by coalition forces right after Saddams fall, allowing 1 weapon per household.
EVERY single day allied patrols go out to specifically sweep Iraq of illegal weapons.
How does Iran and China supply weapons to Iraq exactly?
If you read a little closer, the orders were given to maintain accountability (although there was a time gap when the original orders had
lapsed), but orders were not given to consolidate the property books being the main point of the investigation.
crusader97, it seems that you just selectively pick snippets to support your opinion.
Lets make this one work. In order to understand this snippet;
"Two factors led to DOD’s lack of full accountability for the equipment
issued to Iraqi security forces (see fig. 2). First, until December 2005,
MNSTC-I did not maintain a centralized record of all equipment
distributed to Iraqi security forces. Second, MNSTC-I has not consistently
collected supporting documents that confirm the dates the equipment was
received, the quantities of equipment delivered, or the Iraqi units receiving
the equipment. "
One first has to read this snippet:
“Although the former MNSTC-I commander reported that about 185,000 AK-47 rifles, 170,000 pistols, 215,000 items of body armor, and 140,000 helmets
were issued to Iraqi security forces as of September 2005,18 the MNSTC-I property books contain records for only about 75,000 AK-47 rifles, 90,000
pistols, 80,000 items of body armor, and 25,000 helmets.19 Thus, DOD (Department of Defense) and MNF-I (Multi-National Forces - Iraq) cannot fully
account for about 110,000 AK-47 rifles, 80,000 pistols, 135,000 items of body armor, and 115,000 helmets reported as issued to Iraqi forces as of
September 22, 2005.”
crusader97 which pages did both of these snippets came from? Meaning which one came first?
If you still choose to ignore these facts, I recommend watching a few movies, moving pictures and a thousand words in one package.
“Catch 22”, “Pentagon Wars”, “Buffalo soldiers”, “Air America”, “Mash”, and more.
All of the above clearly show the history of blatant thievery in our armed forces. Enjoy.