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Report: 1.3 TRILLION needed to fix U.S infrastructure. Will we ever elect a "leader"?

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posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 08:23 PM
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Disclaimer for all the paritsans: This has nothing to do with either Bush or Clinton, it has been happening for decades

Source: archives.cnn.com...

Anyways this got me thinking, without current political system will we ever elect a real leader in this country? With term limits and all of the outside money involved, I believe elected official's have other priorities and consider it the "next administrations problem".

I had a social studies teacher who warned me of the nations crumbling infrastructure 12 years ago, things will only get worse.

Someday with hope we will find someone with the courage to lead this country somewhere other than down the path of greed.




posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 08:52 PM
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Some of it is due to poor allocation of funds and part of it is the way we make our roads. We skimp on "just enough" for the actual construction, where spending a little more would make them last alot longer and end up costing less in the long run. I know of some freeways here in Metro Detroit that don't seem to last more than 7-10 years without a major overhaul of the actual road, Basically redoing the whole thing.

Someone told me the autobahn roads are made much thicker and that they last longer due to the construction methods used. Maybe someone in the field can elaborate.



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 09:20 PM
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It does bring the thought though: What if we limited our interests around the world and concentrated on making our country "the best it could be"?



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 03:24 AM
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America is much better at destroying Middle Eastern infrastructure than maintaining its own.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 04:00 AM
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Actually the day before 9/11 there was about 2.3 Trillion missing from the Pentagon. Rumsfield was on TV the day before talking about how things need to change..
Lucky for him 9/11 happened and alot of things changed.. and none of them good for us..



benfrank.net...
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.


So you want money to fix whatever. Go ask the people stole that money from us.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded

So you want money to fix whatever. Go ask the people stole that money from us.


Take a look at the time frame when the money went missing and tell me who was in power then? The money was missing from FY 2000, who wrote that budget? So Rumsfeld managed to, in less than 8 months to steal 2.3 trillion dollars, leave no trail and then have the gaul to point out that it is missing? And of top of that plan and execute 9/11?

I find it amusing that Democrats were holding Rumsfeld's feet to the fire at his nomination hearing for the wasteful spending at the Pentagon. If i'm not mistaken he wasn't in power when the waste the Senators are talking about were chastitising him for. The audit where they discovered the unnaccounted for 2.3 Trillion was part of Rumsfeld's plan to overhaul the Penagon and some of it's wasteful spending habits. Big Governments waste money in Big ways.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 11:38 AM
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Seems as if this Administration has already spent the amount necessary to repair our infrastructure on the destruction of Iraq's infrastructure. Blame the Americans that allowed these idiots to pull the wool over your eyes. You silly little sheep.

August 1, 2007 9:11 p.m. EST

Christopher Rizo - AHN Staff Writer

Washington, D.C. (AHN) - The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the war in Iraq could cost U.S. taxpayers more than $1 trillion, or at least double what has already been spent. ........

www.allheadlinenews.com...



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 01:03 PM
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Will Bridges Falling Down Save the World From American Hegemony? And save America from what VP Cheney once characterized as a PERPETUAL war?

Already 5 states have closed bridges since the 8 lane I-35 bridge fell in Minneapolis. More will follow no doubt. We are at last beginning to grapple with America's very old and mostly worn out infrastructure. A term that has little meaning to ordinary people beyond the tax burden it portends. Mostly we take “infrastructure” for granted. Our water system. Our sewers. Our electric distribution system. Natural gas pipelines. Our telephone and telegraph lines. Mass transit systems. Fiber optics. Cable systems. Railroads. Highways. Airports. Air Traffic Control. And yes, our 400,000 indispensable bridges.

This calamity joins the notorious Tacoma Narrows Bridge that got the nickname Galloping Gertie for its wild antics. It collapsed less than 5 months after it was opened. The culprit there was Nicola Tesla’s favorite but discarded theory of harmonics. Activated in that instance by the wind. (Tesla went on to invent AC current). The last large bridge to fail in America was the Silver Bridge in Pt. Pleasant WVa, crossing the Ohio River into the state of the same name. 1967.

I’ve heard various estimates on CNN today that it may cost $1.3 Trillion to $3 Trillion to upgrade our ‘INFRASTRUCTURE” to the demands put on it by over 300 million people. It was built for the most part when the country’s population was not even 200 million and a very large part was designed even earlier. PLUS, our population is projected to reach 350 million by 2030 and 400 million by 2100. Bravo! Where are you Roe v. Wade when we need you?

Our political leaders remain silent. Our wanna-be political leaders remain silent. I suppose Sir Winston Churchill put it rightly some 70 years ago when referring to the Soviet Union but which seems apropos to me describing where our leaders are hiding: “A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.” Speak out someone! How come we keep saying democracy is the BEST way to go; how come we keep saying DEMOCRACY will solve all your problems? Hmm? Maybe Saddam knew something we have not yet learned?

Hey. We can spend our money killing people and blowing hell out of Iraq, Lebanon, Afghan and maybe Iran, North Korea and now, Pakistan. Good for Halliburton and etc. OR we can spend our money fixing things at home. Hmm? Priorities. Choices. Which will it be, as we cannot afford to do both at once. WOW!

Flummoxed. Perplexed. Bewildered. Not a new word, but one I heard on CNN today for the first time in years. I like it. Enjoy!

[edit on 8/3/2007 by donwhite]



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 02:55 PM
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Blaming this totally on the Current Adminsitration is really quite wrong just as much as blaming the flooding of New Orleans on them. You can blame the Bush Admin for the response to Katrina, not for the actual flooding, that blame goes back decades with everyone knowing that the levee's couldn't handle a direct hit of a major hurricane. We just decided to "make do", the same applies to the rest of our transportation system as well.

The lack of reinvestment into our infrastructure has been ongoing since at least the 1950's baby boom expansion of the suburbs. Most road building projects are now overseen at a local level with priorities going to new developments rather than refurbishing of existing assets. I agree that not enough attention has been placed on it but the blame needs to be put on all of our elected officials.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 03:13 PM
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This isn't about any particular administration. The simple fact is, we can't be having wars to the tune of $12b/month and be sending huge amounts of aid to other countries as part of our global chess game AND take care of things at home. Something had to give and it's been the good ol' US of A. As Americans we DO have a right to expect that our infrastructure is adequately maintained and upgraded as needed. That's what we pay taxes for. NOT for the kinds of things that government apparently prioritizes.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 03:23 PM
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I agree DonWhite, funny that we can spare trillions in a war but can not repair our nation.

I was no surprised to learn that other states will be closing old bridges for lack of repair to spare more casualties of lack of funds in our nation.

How much can our nation cities spend on very costly law sues for victims of the neglect in our infrastructure?

So is better to close anything that seems dangerous . . . to life and the city none existing coffers.

I can no way to see another executive order been signed to spare the cities from the law sues that will follow as usual in this cases.

After all is not money for repairs so how can be money to pay for law sues.


Any way we all have been waiting for the domino effect to start, didn't we?




posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 04:24 PM
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How much is one trillion dollars?

Let's pretend you started with $1 trillion and spent $1,000,000 every day for the past 2007 years (approximately 732,555 days). You would still have $30 billion left to have fun with....or fix a bridge, or send a soldier to his death....your choice.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 06:02 PM
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posted by pavi
The lack of reinvestment into our infrastructure has been ongoing since at least the 1950's baby boom expansion of the suburbs. Most road building projects are now overseen at a local level with priorities going to new developments rather than refurbishing of existing assets. I agree that not enough attention has been placed on it but the blame needs to be put on all of our elected officials.


That’s right. Where I last lived the City owned the water company. It was their rule not to repair or replace pipes until the loss of water exceeded 50%! Despite our constant repetition of the Pledge, “ONE Nation . . Indivisible . . “ the fact is we have 50 systems not always well synchronized and not getting the most value for money spent. This “State’s Rights” thing is killing us! I thought we’d settled that in 1861-1865. But that is a great example of wining the war and losing the peace.

[edit on 8/3/2007 by donwhite]



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 06:03 PM
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for the past 4 or 5 decades, money came down the pike for infrastructure
repair of roads, bridges, etc.
It's just that state governments diverted the highway funds to each state representatives' local 'priority' project.
new roads to new gated communities where improved land generated property taxes where no money was being generated from taxes before.


public opinion & voting for bridge maintenance is so unglamorous,
the voters will cry in a loud voice for a new sports stadium instead!
so, in some instances, democracy is a 'poison pill'

here in SC, there's the real need for highway infrastructure replacement
just like anywhere else............what are the State Senators, et al, doing about it? - They're spending a ?dis-proportionate? ammount of available funds on a new 'expressway corridor' from I-95 to the GrandStrand coast.
the reasoning is that more tourists means an up-grade in the areas desirability for businesses to relocate, more gated communities with McMansions, & of course newer traffic flow obstacles created by the over burdened surface streets...
all the deteriorated areas will provide havens & areas where the service industry people can live in their hovels & be the slave-labor hands & feet needed to provide the well heeled the pomp & pampering they expect for the prices they're paying.

Of course, the CT crowd (myself included) can rationalize that the upper echelon planners seen this coming and have been allowing the infrastructure to deteriorate so at some future time foreign contractors would see a money making problem that needs solved....
the nation may well have a spider-web network of foreign owned toll roads
crisscrossing the nationm after the initial I-35 super-corridor for NAFTA/NAU is up & workng as a model?!
~ that could mean that 'taxes' aren't assessed for the $1.3 Trillion,
but the users would pay only graduated 'fees' for infrastructure use ~

[edit on 3-8-2007 by St Udio]



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by pavil...
You can blame the Bush Admin for the response to Katrina, not for the actual flooding, that blame goes back decades with everyone knowing that the levee's couldn't handle a direct hit of a major hurricane. We just decided to "make do", the same applies to the rest of our transportation system as well.


Fairly accurate. But, the Louisiana city officials and levee committee(sp) decided years ago to build casinos and other useless stuff w/ the money for the levee repair instead of doing what it was meant for.

We aren't receiving money quickly because we're like the little kid that asks Mommy for $100 for clothes for school then blows it on toys then says he needs more money for school clothes.

Worthless gov't in this state(LA) Mostly anyway



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 06:14 PM
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posted by marg6043
I agree DonWhite, funny that we can spare trillions in a war but can not repair our nation. I was no surprised to learn that other states will be closing old bridges for lack of repair to spare more casualties of lack of funds in our nation. How much can our nation cities spend on very costly law sues for victims of the neglect in our infrastructure?

So is better to close anything that seems dangerous . . . to life and the city none existing coffers. I can no way to see another executive order been signed to spare the cities from the law sues that will follow as usual in this cases. After all is not money for repairs so how can be money to pay for law sues. Any way we all have been waiting for the domino effect to start, didn't we?


Law suits. You are right, as usual Marg. Why not spend that money fixing the broken structures? Unfortunately, I think our state and local officials are strapped for money. In part because the old Nixon approved system of the Federal government making BLOCK GRANTS to the states and cities has been ended by Reagan and the 2 Bushes. The Reagan/Bush wing of the Republican Party will not be happy until less than 1% of Americans OWN more than 80% of the wealth in America. Those I call the R&Fs. Rich and Famous. Gated community-types. Etc.

People must be able to sue, however. Even though it seems a senseless way to spend public money, it is not fair to deny those who are injured or killed some compensation.

[edit on 8/3/2007 by donwhite]



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 06:49 PM
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The BIG LIE of the fiscal conservatives and the Republican party that they have been drilling into our heads since the late seventies is in the richest country that the world has ever seen, there is not enough money to go around. Himmler would be proud.

There is not enough money to________________ fill in the blank.

But of course there is always enough money to fund a war or to give massive tax breaks for the already wealthy. Doesn't matter that our children are self absorbed morons... it doesn't matter that the infra-structure of the country is falling apart... it doesn't matter because despite their rhetoric communal issues are not on their agenda... just more greed.

Once many years ago John Kennedy said... "Ask not what your country can do for you; rather ask what you can do for your country."

They have perverted it to read... "ask not what you can do for your country; ask rather what tax cut and bail out your country can do for you.".... and afterwards, screw everybody else, you've got yours.





[edit on 3-8-2007 by grover]



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by pavil
I know of some freeways here in Metro Detroit that don't seem to last more than 7-10 years without a major overhaul of the actual road


Our roads and infrastructure in the north (Detroit, included) take a real beating from winter...both the freezing/melting differential and especially the use of salt to keep the roads clear of ice and snow.

But it seems incongruous that there's enough dough to whomp the crap out of Iraq and Afghanistan, but not enough to keep things at home on the go. I'll paint the Canadian government with a similar brush, by the way.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 08:07 PM
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I wish to clarify my thoughts on this subject:

In my eyes, Iraq has nothing to do with it......war has nothing to do with it. I truly believe that the fact that leaders are too shor sighted to have the desire to do "great things" that we will never be remembered for.

All they care about is making the most of their short time in terms of legacy, re-election, and profiteering.

Someday we will have another FDR, maybe a new new deal.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 10:27 PM
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I would like to make a stab and guess that a company like Haliburton or the Carlyle Group will get all the contracts to improve the infrastructure. And the beat rolls on.




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