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Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
Will you pay attention for once?
My stance is the same as it ever was.
The government is of the people, but it is over them. It rules the people, but it needs to keep in touch with them. Lest it begins to create laws on percieved ideas of people, instead of the real thing.
Basically, my point is that a government is nothing more but the centre of the community. It needs to keep in touch with those it represents and should not be elevated above them.
You have the idea that to rule means you are elavated.
This isnt the case, and doesnt have to be the case.
The government is a body made for the people. Its power lies in the decisions it makes and the loyalty of the people.
I am saying that a government doesnt need to enforce superiority if it is good enough to gain the loyalty of the people.
Originally posted by kennethlaster
reply to post by St James
Anyone who takes the Real ID will align himself with the beast system. Whom you put your trust in you become a slave too. I will resist with extreme prejudice!
Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
Please, you've gone beyond reasoned arguments and into the stage of simply annoying me.
If you control your own food supply and have something of value that's YOURS and not lent or being paid off then you're already aligned with the Beast.
multiple times throughout this thread when posters have argued there side respectfully and there side differed from yours not only do you degrade them for such opinions but you verbally assault them for those opinions and their nationality
you insult people for not presenting facts for you, Yet when they do you either ignor them them entirely or you launch personal insults as a result of them..
You have the nerve to come here and argue our laws and how your country is so great
Yet you yourself have claimed multiple times you don't even know your own countries laws regarding the various issues
On top of that you claim bias in a thread about America, being debated by Americans
you bring generalizations and stereotypes into this debate and use them in your attacks and replies when such things have no bearing on the thread, These things have no place on ATS.
If you ever want to be taken serious on ATS or in life, Think before you speak
Arguing on pure emotion alone wont get you anywhere,
You have demonstrated not only to myself and those participating in this thread, your lack of respect towards those here at ATS, but to everyone who's read it.
Forth, You have the nerve to come here and argue our laws and how your country is so great, Yet you yourself have claimed multiple times you don't even know your own countries laws regarding the various issues, On top of that you claim bias in a thread about America, being debated by Americans... Anyone with head attached to their shoulders can see how ludicrous that is...
Originally posted by acegotflows
Originally posted by unuk5
Everyone is saying yay convenience, but I don't see what's to be gained... that you have a few less cards in your wallet? Big deal.
You are truly a sad lazy bunch.
what I mean by that is if you're not dependant on the system,then you'll soon be an enemy if not already.
The whole cash dynamic seems to be crashing down. It's what it was created to do, so I'm not surprised
Maybe if we were all farmers it would be fine
When it comes down to it, that's going to be one of the tenets right? To knock off the "undesirables".
I think its also because of national security issues.
What rights would be given up if this system were in place? I could still do all the things I do now, just easier.
to people who chip their dogs. I hope it works for you
even though a chip doesn't last 15 seconds in a wok.
Geez, how long are you gonna stand on that soapbox and lecture us about how things "should" be OM?
You seem to have an answer for everything...you've just learned all there is to know huh?
You do realize that RFID chips can, and already have been hacked, check youtube.
Or even better, when they try to chip us, do you think they aren't people so poor, so desperate that they would literally cut off your arm/hand to get your chip?
I can't believe I even bothered typing a response to someone who agreed with "I'm not entirely sure how you guys are getting invasion of privacy from this to be honest." Really? You dont see how tracking every purchase, atm withdrawal, gas fillup, etc without the people's permission is an invasion of privacy?
The fact of the matter is, I have the right here in america to go about freely, unmonitored. Period. There is nothing you can say or do that will make me feel any different.
That has to be the most ignorant statement yet in this thread....So instead of 1 or 2 of cards being stolen, they could just steal 1 card that have access to every single card you own?!? Please tell me you're kidding...
...guess i'm just another bot specifically designed to piss you off (see: opposite point of view)
Ah, then we come to the true problem with a centralized Database of all your personal information, controlled by the government. What if the wrong person decides that they don't like you? All of that data can be edited. One of the more recent movies that detailed how reliance upon central information is a risk factor was "Live Free or Die Hard," The most recent in the Bruce Willis action flicks.
All at the power of ones fingertips. It would not even have to be a government agent who has come to dislike you. It could be a disgruntled hacker who takes joy in ruining other people's lives merely because he has the power and everything is right there, at his fingertips.
It isn't always about how the goverment can abuse things. Sometimes it's about how good old fashioned criminals can use good intent to cause more havoc.
Thank you Colddragon! Couldn't have said it better myself!!!