Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
My country doesn't give me the rights from birth, but it doesn't interfere with them, even though it has the power to do so.
If you ok with that, thats your business, Government doesn't give me my rights, it insures them.
No, thats the dillusion people have about democracy. Even in Ancient Athens people didnt realise that the representatives ARE rulers, no matter what happens.
You have to give your government power, if it has no power, then it is useless.
No dillusion, My country isn't a Democracy, its a Republic, and my Government doesn't have power to rule is has power to protect, The Government is the people.
Thats your opinion.
Thats your right as an individual, however if myself or others wish to transfer currency with something physical, then that is ours. and we should not be hindered this right as its the only system of true wealth.
True 'wealth' isnt money, but that philosophical debate isnt for here.
Look, im going to use alot of terms you arnt going to like, its inherent.
But here we go.
An entire electrified monetary system is better in EVERY way, to a physical one.
Money can be more easily controlled and monitered within the system, meaning illegal exchanges such as bribery and drug deals will be MUCH more difficult.
Money is always on the person, you never end up being somewhere with no cash on you.
there are many other reasons, but i see your 'freedom babble' has made it impossible for you to see a good idea, just because it limits some 'freedoms'
No, your getting watched. Whos on the other side of the camera? Noone thats who.
is this your justification for such systems?
Let me explain one pet hate of mine. Your gun freedoms. They were created at a time where a gun takes about a minute to reload, was horribly innacurate and incredibly innefficient.
Now, we have guns who can put around 15-50 accurate rounds into a man within a few seconds, and then reload within 10 seconds.
so now, your right to freedom of arms should have been changed to reflect this. But, of course, it wasnt because your 'freedoms will be violated'
sorry, i dont buy it.
That may be so, but the guns back then were the guns of the military, and the guns of the military were the guns any free man could own, our founders gave us the ability to resist the government if the need arises, and that we be equipped to do so, guess what our military has changed, so our need for new types of equipment evolved, just like the times right?
But none the less, my right to bear arms doesn't concern you so I fail to see why you get worked up over something which has no effect on you what soever.
You and other non Americans seem to have the mentality, that because you guys don't or aren't allowed to have the same things we have, that we don't need them..
Sorry, that thing said by Lincoln or whoever it is means nothing. Especially since your actually giving up no real freedoms or liberties for REAL security.
Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
So would they?
Think, if you want half the population watched, you will only be able to do it with the other half of the population.
Its unrealistic to believe that all people can be watched.
Criminals, though. They can be watched.
Again your justification for it being ok is simply because they cant focus on us all?
Also in this country you are legally innocent until proven guilty, until that day comes, you have all the rights insured by the constitution, including privacy.
If thats ok with you then thats your business, but because its ok with you, doesn't mean its ok with us.
No, im thinking. "I dont mind if someone looks in my file one day, but i know each peek at mine is 10 criminals off the streets."
They only invade if you have something to hide. if you have something to hide you are doing something illegal. So therefore, you should be watched.Are you being serious?
The constitution is both.
The constitution is a piece of paper, nothing more. A list of laws which were written a long time ago.
No your simply wrong, the constitution, is not about government but about the people, The constitution, insures that no man, no government, and no majority can deprive any free man from being free.
The constitution isn't a piece of paper, its the most important insurance claim any human being has.
I don't agree with anything you've said, but i don't and have not once insulted you or your country, but, you continue to cleverly insult myself and the others responding to you as if we are stupid because we cherish freedom, and that we don't live our lives the way you think we should, or that we don't bend over for government, your opinions are your right, as are ours, show respect or get out of this thread.
Who's complaining about what, I wasn't aware wanting to be left alone and free to do that which I want so long as I'm not hurting anyone was such a bad thing, but I guess you right and we are wrong, oh superior thinking one.
and complaining about it.
Wait the roots of the Republic, ever read about America?
wait, the roots of Democracy? Do you learn about ancient Athens?
This pretty much tells explains a lot
I read that at school. I liked it. But it actually got our class discussing the merits of communism if a restriction was put onto power.
Theres nothing to believe, its fact,
If you believe so, you have to do what you think is right.
With that said, I'm done with you, I've spent lots of time debating many people on this board, some of which i strongly disagreed with, but these people showed respect towards the varying opinions and never once, degraded or put others down through snide comments or remarks because of these varying opinions, your arrogance and attitude, is unacceptable and immature for this board.
[edit on 25-8-2007 by C0le]