Who Here Will Accept A Real ID Card???, page 6

reply to post by Octavius Maximus

In Australia im not sure if we have any piece of paper saying we get free speech, but im sure we have it already.

You're not sure? Don't you think it would be wise to find out? Australia is a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system of government. Which means, your Government grants you the right to speak your mind, however, they can take it away at any given moment that suits them. Here in the U.S., the Government does not grant us the right, we grant that right to ourselves, and the Government cannot take it away.

What about the Sheik who repeatedly assailed womens position in society and that rapists were in the right because of revealing clothing?

The Australian people called for him to be deported, the government stepped in and asked him, he said no. So we left it to his superiors, who removed him of his titles.

I don't know what you're talking about, nor what that has to do with the U.S.

And yet...we have no free speech.

I don't know, and according to your first statement, neither do you.

No, i just dont type arguements well. I prefer speech.

You've provided nothing to your argument, whether or not spoken, to back it up... other than the "cause my sister, that works for the newspaper, said so".

Im saying that a card given to every legal citizen could be created which will assimilate every known card into itself.

Not here in the United States. We're protected against an intrusive Government, unlike Australia.

but it was put to bad use attacking Jews, gypsies, political prisoners, etc.

And you expect me to believe that it wouldn't happen again?

Its un-American because it makes sense. What is typically American is it being rejected.

It's un-American because it allows the Government to be intrusive, which we just so happen to be free from enduring.

Total criminal protection? Try Impossible to enforce.

Difficult yes, impossible no. Doable without infringing our rights and liberties as free American citizens... absolutely. Can they do it without infringing our rights? Sure. Will they... not unless everyone willingly gives up those rights.

What? the freedom to lie about your identity?

How is my demanding that the Government stay out of my personal life, lying about my identity?

The freedom to walk through a street and not be looked at (which is, of course, impossible)

You're comparing apples to oranges.

You are saying the card is unconstitutional because it destroys your freedom to withhold your identity from the government.

Nope. They already know who I am through various forms of identification. There's not justifiable reason why I should now prove myself an American citizen, as means for them to intrude on my privacy, in order for me to take advantage of Federal benefits (across the board).

Plain paranoia. you should stand up for who you are and Proclaim it loud, if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

And what do you think I'm doing, or not doing for that matter? I thought we've been over this already.

When i say 'you' i usually mean Americans in general.

"Generally", Americans know they don't have to give up liberties to obtain a false sense of security.

yes yes, dont lose your aluminium hat.

Paranoia.

Historical facts.

to me that sounds wrong, trust is given until it is lost.

That's your prerogative, and is mine.

Thats what happens when you get 'freedom'. it allows Anything to happen, including the bad.

By "anything" happening, is it so wrong of me to hold my elected representatives accountable for their wrongdoings?

Oh no, of course not.

Im the answer to the worlds ills

I rest my case.

your freedom says im allowed to, no matter what i say you have to accept my viewpoint.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

But you protect it, anyway.

Because, it's the supreme law that protects me.

yes it does, filling the thread with more bias than it already has.

Then start a thread about Australians getting a National ID card.

I just got back from martial arts, luckily i worked out all my aggression.

You ever heard the expression, "Never bring a knife to a gunfight."?

Hell, i dont. I dont want to be part of cleaning up after Americas #. Its like Iraq.

Then, please explain to me why you continue to rant in this thread?

Ha! Thats like nerds saying they get bullied because of Jealousy.

Of course it isnt, its because your soft and easy to hit.

Struck a nerve there, didn't I? Historically proven... the only way anyone has been able to make "terrorist attacks" on American soil, is by someone in the Government *allowing* it to happen. I think that contradicts your point.

Well you believe that a person who is willing to die for his beliefs is a hero, right?

We were talking about criminals... you bring up suicide bombers... that makes him/her a terrorist... a criminal. A criminal is not acting according to morals/ethics.

And you also say that all beliefs are allowed, right?

Sure.

So...the only reason you dont like the suicide bomber is because he is against you...right?

Not in the context that we began the discussion.

You have to be conscious of other viewpoints.

You have to be conscious of how you use other viewpoints.

Well a long long time ago, people began to replace the bartering and trading system with a monetary system.

I'm well aware of American history. Now that we're on the same page, with the monetary system in place... answer my question.

Damn, this is why i dont like talking on forums, no tangents allowed.

Just trying to be respectful of the OP and the Terms and Conditions, and to stay on topic.

Well then, wheres your evidence for saying the banks are evil?

Your making the allegations, so you should provide evidence.

Here you go with the "do my work for me". Look it up.

This is why you would make a bad Emperor. You believe a person cannot change.

That person gave me no reason to believe he would change. Trust is earned, remember.

No, dont you see though? Examining every nut and bolt gives you a false impression of the machine as a whole, simply because a machine in motion is something completely different from its parts.

Examining each nut and bolt allow you to see the entire picture... everything that goes into making that "machine" and how it makes it work.

no, im just bored.

Still avoiding me.

So you protest, hooray. i have no way of telling if you are talking bull# or not.

Research it. Make that conclusion on your own.

Your untrusting so you wouldnt believe me if i said it.

You're catching on.

But i am trusting, so i will take your word for it.

So be it.

But you obviously havnt done very well since...well...the plan is still there, is it not?

We're working on that each and every day. Change takes time. Nothing (within reason) happens overnight.