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Originally posted by vox2442
There`s a LOT to respond to here.
In other words, the article is misleading. In this instance, the failed system is the private insurance company, as opposed to the Canadian system in general.
Originally posted by BO XIAN But the cradle to the grave mentality of the BIG SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/GLOBALIST OLIGARCHY FEDERAL NANNY STATE is largely an excuse for powermongering elites to subjegate yet more masses to their mindless machine; neuter the individuality of persons; neuter the creativity and initiative of persons and generally grind them to powder in the cogs of their GREED POWER-MONGERING Machiavellian contraptions that never work--except to tax at higher and higher rates; waste at higher and higher percentages; bloat bureaucracies to higher and higher degrees . . . and generally send satan into rousing fits of laughter at man's stupid inhumanity to man in the name of "compassion."
Greed, selfishness, laziness, indolence, insecurity based--imobile--cowering wailing and whining never had more faithful allies than the DOOOOO--DOO-GOODER POLITICIANS eager to enlarge the machine . . . "for the children."
None of that for me. I'll share what I have and can remotely sanely share with whomever God drops in my lap. But none for the ingrown traitorous bureaucracy so eagerly selling us down the river to the globalists.
Originally posted by nixie_nox
Yes it costs more. But healthcare costs put our payments with taxes at 50% anyways.
We already have a partial national system. It is medicair/medicaid. It works quite well. Other then the fraud factor they are working on, it often gets better reviews then the private sector.
It has been reviewed many times and after the initial 5 year setup, it is found that going to a national healthcare system will actually save taxpayers billions of dollars a year.
[edit on 31-7-2007 by nixie_nox]
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
As I said on another thread, my wife recently went into emergency at 3:00 am with an allergic reaction. She was seen right away, hooked up to all monitors, oxygen, 2 IVs, all drugs, an ultrasound, given what they call the million dollar treatment, total 8 hours there...plus follow up and several trips to an allergist. Price? Zippity doo-dah! Flashed the OHIP card which, if you're working, represents about $400-600 annually(max) depending on what you earn. Under $20 k...you don't pay. Even that's new...blame the Provincial Liberals. I'll stick with that system, though, if you don't mind.
[edit on 31-7-2007 by JohnnyCanuck]
Maybe it's just me, but I figure that if you take the profit margin out of health care, that'll save you about 30% off the top. You know, that's the dough the HMOs make based upon your suffering. While Rudy doesn't see it as the American way, I don't see it as a particularly American to turn folks away from treatment 'cuz they can't pay...or not to see a doctor 'cuz they can't afford it. Y'all are better than that, and who knows that better than your upstairs neighbours, eh?
Originally posted by PsykoOps
If you get a flood of patients if you'd change into socialized health care what does that say about the current situation? It says that only the wealthy are getting the care, a system I'd hate to live in.
Say whatever you say about the socialized health care but few isolated instances dont speak for the system. No system is perfect.
Do you have any reliable source to prove those '2 year waiting times' for surgery and 'months to see a doctor'?. That sounds way more like a error or situation that isn't because of the system but because of individual mistake or something like that.
Socialised medicine doesn't mean automatically that everyone has to wait and perhaps die, unless there's something wrong locally.
Originally posted by BO XIAN
Are all Provinces identical in drug plans?
Originally posted by BO XIAN Of course, we might have to ship many cruise ships full of lawyers off to Antarctica or Siberia or Mars or some such.
Originally posted by Duzey
Originally posted by BO XIAN
Are all Provinces identical in drug plans?
No, not all provinces have identical drug treatment plans.
Suzanne Aucoin's story is an example that the same problems can exist in the US and Canadian systems - there are always going to be people who have exceptional needs that aren't covered. There are patients from Ontario that are having this treatment paid for, she's just not one of them. Because the drug is not approved for sale in Ontario yet, it doesn't show up on any of the 'covered' lists and the decision would have to be made on a case-by-case basis.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
Bo, I hate to point out but do you really think that private insurance companies are any better than these corrupt bureaucracies?
I cant understand at all where this globalisation idea and slaving idea comes from? As far as I can tell that kind of thing hasn't happened in any countries where there is a socialized health care.
When it comes to "flagrantly lopsided propaganda" then I'd have to quote your own posts where you say "It seems like 98% of the comments hereon are blindly, blithely, uncritically, unthinkingly in behalf of socialism" and "From folks I've talked to, I'm not so sure. Seems like there are enough horror stories of fraud..." etc..
Socialized medicine is not what people want you to think it is. Are you really willing to wait weeks or months just to be able to see a doctor?
Originally posted by vox2442
Canadian health care does not cover drugs per se. Drugs are substantially cheaper overall thanks to government intervention, but reimbursement - the complaint in the article - is the responsibility of employee health plans and personal insurance policies and so forth.