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Although "Jerusalem" is found 811 times in the Bible, it is never mentioned once in the Qur'an, nor are the words "Palestine" or "Canaan." Moreover, the Qur'an agrees with the Bible that the land was given to Israel and possessed by these "chosen people" after their deliverance from Pharoah at the Red Sea:
(p 132 THE GATHERING STORM)
We made a covenant of old with the Children of Israel (Surah 5:70); We brought the Children of Israel across the [Red] sea, and Pharaoh with his host pursued them . . . and we verily did allot unto the Children of Israel a fixed abode (10:91,94); we favored them above all peoples (45:16); [Pharaoh] wished to scare them from the land, but we drowned him and those with him [in the REd Sea] all together. And we said unto the Children of Israel . . . dwell in the land [and] hereafter we shall bring you . . . out of various nations" (17:103-104); we delivered the Children of Israel . . . We chose them, purposely, above all creatures (44:30-32); Remember Allah's favor to you . . . He . . . gave you what he gave no other of his creatures. O my people, go into the Holy Land which Allah hath ordained for you (95:20-21); etc.
“How did the word “Palestinian” originate? In A.D. 130, the Romans, who had destroyed Jersalem 60 years before, rebuilt it as a pagan city with a temple to Jupiter on temple mount. An uprising of the Jews in protest was finally quelled in A.D. 135 at the cost of about 500,000 Jewish lives, with thousands sold into slavery and many thousands driven into exile. To spite the Jews, the Roman conquerors angrily renamed Israel, “Provincia Syria-Palaestina” after the Philistines. From that time, those living there were known as “Palestinians.” Who lived there? Jews! It is they who became known as “Palestinians.” Yet Bibles by major publishers have maps with such labels as “Palestine Under the Maccabees,” or “Palestine in the Time of Christ.” Such maps promote a grave error.
In World War II, the British Army had a volunteer brigade called “The Palestinian Brigade.” It was made up of Jews; the Arabs were fighting on Hitler’s side. There was the Palestinian Post, a Jewish newspaper, and the Palestinian Symphony Orchestra, a Jewish orchestra. In fact, Arabs refused to be called “Palestinians.” For example, to the 1946 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Arab historian Philip Hitti declared, “There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not. . . . “
"But if the enemy incline towards peace (surrenders), do thou also incline towards peace" (8:61)
Title of Surah 8: "Spoils of War" "Fight them until . . . all religion is for Allah . . . Exhort the believers to fight . . . It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land" (8:39, 65,67) etc.
Joel 3 (The Message Version)
1-3 "In those days, yes, at that very time when I put life back together again for Judah and Jerusalem,
I'll assemble all the godless nations.
I'll lead them down into Judgment Valley
And put them all on trial, and judge them one and all
because of their treatment of my own people Israel.
They scattered my people all over the pagan world
and grabbed my land for themselves.
They threw dice for my people
and used them for barter.
They would trade a boy for a whore,
sell a girl for a bottle of wine when they wanted a drink.
4-8 "As for you, Tyre and Sidon and Philistia,
why should I bother with you?
Are you trying to get back at me
for something I did to you?
If you are, forget it.
I'll see to it that it boomerangs on you.
You robbed me, cleaned me out of silver and gold,
carted off everything valuable to furnish your own temples.
You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem
into slavery to the Greeks in faraway places.
But I'm going to reverse your crime.
I'm going to free those slaves.
I'll have done to you what you did to them:
I'll sell your children as slaves to your neighbors,
And they'll sell them to the far-off Sabeans."
Originally posted by BO XIAN... Israel and her right to exist in her Promised Land.
Originally posted by dAlen
Uhmm...let me see if this can be put into perspective.
In other words...similar to the Indians, we belong to the earth, not the earth to us.
Again, as words are only pointers, looking past the 'thing' being said...
...the issue lies in the simple fact that people 'want' more and more and more and more.
You can never have more than what you currently have with you or where you currently are. Everything else is a story, and anything you think you own can disappear from theft, loss, age, etc.
So when we get past identifying with a chunk of land or any other 'possession' than we can move past all the sillyness and killing and fighting over who God gave what to.
Actually I find it interesting...if the Almighty Creator of the entire universe(s) wanted someone to claim land he would step up and give it to them. But the 'creator' already did...its called, once more, where I lay my head is home.
'lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth' - that goes for 'idolization' of ownership, which is indeed an illusion.
Originally posted by ejsaunders
. . . however, it has always made me wonder why almost all of those in this 'NWO' are Jewish. What's to stop them from giving some of this back to their homeland? Nothing, but they don't.
. . . but some seem to disrespect God more than anyone else I've ever met. I guess the bible does say some of them will and they will pay for it ultimately.
One thing I absolutely hate however, is that God chose ONE people, he could have given everyone their own promised land and none of this fighting would have ever started (well its a hope and a wish more than a probability, we're human after all).
Originally posted by ejsaunders
however, it has always made me wonder why almost all of those in this 'NWO' are Jewish. Now that's not to say that Jewish=Isralei, but it seems odd that those who have accumulated the wealth of nations (America for example) are at least part Jewish. What's to stop them from giving some of this back to their homeland? Nothing, but they don't.
One thing I absolutely hate however, is that God chose ONE people, he could have given everyone their own promised land and none of this fighting would have ever started .
Originally posted by Orcaporka
You argument cannot convinve anyone who is not Jewish because they will not believe your GOD IS BOSS as you seem to enjoy putting it,
therefore you have the same right to that land as everyone else because as you believe your god gave it to you, those who arnt Jewish believe you have no claim to it whatsoever. (Religiously speaking)
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
BO, the historical fact is that israel has no right to that land whatsoever.
religion is in no way the reason to decide who gets what land. the land right now belongs to the people that lived on it prior to the foundation of the nation of israel, their descendants and those who LEGALLY PURCHASED that land from those people and their descendants that legally inherited the land.
religion, keep it out of geopolitical struggles...
oh wait, it causes too many of them.
the simple fact is that their claim to the land is entirely vague on top of the fact that it's completely fabrictated.
not only do we have a being that cannot be asked about the situation as the one that promised it to them, but no boundries are definied by said fictional sky fairy.
Originally posted by thereallgone
In the bible it makes it very clear that God gave the jews land because they were the only people that did what he wanted.
If all people did what he wanted than I think that he would have given everybody land.
Most people even those that don't beleive in God hate the idea of favoritism, I think it hurts them on some deep emotional level, but thats what it is to a degree, do as I say and you will gain my favor.
Also the fact that the Musluims spend so much time digging up the area around the temple mount and then destroying all the evidence that the Jews were there goes to show that somebody realizes that the Muslim claim is a little weak.
Originally posted by emjoi
If arguments like this are presented, then how on earth can you dispute them?
Logic and reason are thrown out the window because they are trumped by the "God Says So" card.
I can't imagine why God would want his word to be the cause of so much evil and suffering, however.
A claim over the land thousands of years ago is irrelevant.
Just like the Chinese claim over Taiwan is irrelevant.
Originally posted by BO XIAN
WRONG. Israel was in the land long before Islam began. The earlier inhabitants were essentially exterminated.
And, I guess you did not read the part even in the Koran asserting that God gave the land to the children of Israel.
The fact that the so called "Palistinians" have been destroying archeological evidence of Israel's claim on the land from many centuries earlier until at least A.D. 70 . . . the unconsciencable destruction of said archeological evidence is wholesale represhensible, dishonest, horrid.
Where you deduced that Israel had no claim to the land whatsoever is thoroughly devoid of all historical evidence, facts, validity as well as any reasonable or fair-minded assessment of those historical FACTS.
Actually, that would consist of a sizeable percentage of Jews. I don't recall what the percentages were at the formation of Israel.
Judaism: 14 million
But Jews had been buying up land in the region for a long time. And, prior to the Jews arriving, the Arabs largely left the land forsaken as desert scrub worth nothing, in their eyes. A few wandering herds would go through from time to time but there was wholesale disdain for the land on the part of the Arabs
. . . UNTIL . . . drum roll, the Jews started making the desert bloom again as Scripture predicted.
Then, suddenly Arab pride and jealousy reared it's ugly head.
It would really be better for folks to do their home work on such issues regarding the historical FACTS before pontificating seemingly so blindly.
Welllllll, that's the standard lock-step religious doctrine of the globalist, socialist, humanist, Communist party so overwhelmingly in evidence hereon. You have lots of company in that perspective.
BTW, RELIGION will NOT be kept out of geopollitical struggles. It's planned to be an increasingly intense part of them--both from the globalist's standpoint as well as God's.
The Supreme Puppe-tMaster behind the globalists has been predicted for 2,000 years to demand worship--and to require, evidently, the ID monitoring computer chip/finance/med records/cards included--to be injected in the bodies of all world citizens who will then be required to bow down and worship him or die. Such a scenario is more certain than that the sun will rise tomorrow.
Assuming you live long enough, you will very likely remember these words and that you considered them the ravings of a lunatic. Whether that tardy insight will be soon enough to save your eternal hide remains to be seen.
Actually, THAT NOTION is COMPLETELY FABRICATED and shows a shocking degree of being thoroughly uninformed of the history of the region and of the Children of Israel. Wholesale emotional, narrow, rigid bias tends to result in such lack of awareness so I'm not totally shocked.
The Children of Israel have had a very long claim on the land from well before Islam was a . . . fantasy in Mohammed's power mongering noggin.
Any fair-minded research into the FACTS would reveal that. Even some Muslim scholars have daringly gone on record in behalf of that historically inescapable conclusion.
Actually, the boundaries have been well defined in Scripture. And, they are not completely given to Israel yet. BUT THEY WILL BE. That, too is more certain than that the sun will rise tomorrow.
BTW, I'm certain that ALMIGHTY GOD is very impressed with your labeling Him a "fictional sky fairy."
It will be interesting to observe at a future point in time His response to you on that score . . . and then your response to His response.
Perhaps a clue about such an interaction can be gleaned from His response to a favorite kid of His--Job--when Job in the midst of his suffering asked God a question . . . God said . . . .
Job, where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Should be interesting.
The Northern Kingdom consisted of 10 of the tribes (excluding Judah and Benjamin).
It lasted for about 210 years until it was destroyed by Assyria in 722 BC.
Its capital was Samaria.
Every king of Israel was evil.
In the northern kingdom there were 9 dynasties (family lines of kngs)
and 19 kings overall. An average of 11 years to a reign.
8 of these kings (of Israel~ not Judah) met death by violence.