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reply posted on 30-7-2007 @ 12:57 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by earth2
Check out this image from a Ancient Sumerian Cuneiform Cylinder Seal I found doing some research.




Where's the original source?

That said, I'm going to call "hoax" on the image. Here's why:
* The drawing is very crude. It's hard to believe that any professional artist/illustrator (which is who they have doing the copying when they don't ink and roll it out) created that image. For comparison, here's a few professionally drawn seal image:
www.matrifocus.com...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
* The wings on the deity at left are clearly wrong, as though drawn by an American who really didn't study the art much beyond what was needed for his hoax. The doublewinged figures have bird wings upper and lower.
* Seals usually have inscriptions. This one is miraculously inscription-less.
* the wings on the flying circle thingy are redrawn to make it look like panels or something. Sumerians didn't depict wings that way.
* the artist had no idea what Sumerian clothing for gods looked like. Here's a bunch of them killing Tiamat:
www.starfieldfound.org...
* and no idea what female hairstyles looked like (I'm assuming it's a female image on the right because it's "sort of" dressed like a female) :
www.gutenberg.org...
* the headgear is wrong:
www.edwardtbabinski.us...


When confronted by a piece of "proof" like this, the FIRST thing to ask is "where is the original object and are there other drawings or photos of it?"

If there aren't any, it's usually a hoax.

If the artifact "mysteriously disappeared", it's a hoax.

If the artifact was held by a museum but disappeared, it's a hoax.

The drawing appears to be a hoax perpetrated for the UFO community -- but let's check it out in the interests of unbiased opinion. Is there a name for the seal or a location? Where'd you find the image, anyway?


reply posted on 30-7-2007 @ 01:57 PM by Freeborn
[When confronted by a piece of "proof" like this, the FIRST thing to ask is "where is the original object and are there other drawings or photos of it?"

If there aren't any, it's usually a hoax.

If the artifact "mysteriously disappeared", it's a hoax.

If the artifact was held by a museum but disappeared, it's a hoax.

The drawing appears to be a hoax perpetrated for the UFO community -- but let's check it out in the interests of unbiased opinion. Is there a name for the seal or a location? Where'd you find the image, anyway?



The Cylinder Seal Depiction
The Sumerian information is provided in texts on clay tablets; and in pictorial support of my conclusions I included in my books the rendering of a depiction on a 4,500 years-old cylinder seal, now kept in the Hermitage Museum in St. Petersburg in Russia (Fig. 91 in Genesis Revisited):



It shows an astronaut (“Eagleman”) on Earth (indicated by the seven dots, Earth being the seventh planet counted from outside into the solar system, accompanied by the Moon’s crescent) greeted by an astronaut (“Fishman”, equipped for splashdowns) on Mars (the sixth planet when our solar system is entered from afar), and a spacecraft with extended panels and antennas in the heavens between them.


www.sitchin.com...

Now i'm not saying it's real or hoax but I think this is the original source and gives details of where the seal is at present.

All I know is that it's strange that there are depictions of "spaceman" like types in most ancient cultures and when most ancient mythologies are interpreted from a modern or scientific perspective they all have references to alien visitors etc.




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reply posted on 31-7-2007 @ 08:49 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by earth2
I feel like im waiting to go into the principles office!

Yea im a history newbie but im learning.

I do believe the sumerians, and will try to find more of these writings, had contact with ET's, or Annunaki.


May I suggest that you start with reading the original legends -- the ones that Sitchin and company don't want you to read? They talk about the gods number them, and talk about their powers:
home.comcast.net...

Note that the children of An are the Annunaki and are not the most powerful ones:
home.comcast.net...

Whoever drew that "seal" may have used part of the image on this page
www.answers.com...

Here's a book of the translated tales (it's quite outdated but gives you the basics) :
www.sacred-texts.com...

Now... all of the above can be backed up with clay tablet inscriptions (which you can actually read for yourself if you take the time to learn a little cuneiform.) You can look at images and see the WHOLE piece (not just fragments.) I also encourage you to read translations of the original clay tablets (not written summaries of the stories.)

Going to the originals shows the truth.


reply posted on 3-8-2007 @ 12:23 PM by Byrd
Originally posted by earth2
Thank you Byrd for the links. Im back on track now.

I will be posting more sumerian threads because they seem to be so darn interesting.

They are! There's lots of interesting work going on in the field.

Here's a fun resource for you:
www.archaeologychannel.org...

Oh... and this one, too!
www.archaeologynews.org...

So the pic I posted is a fake? Ive tried hard to find a solid source with no luck.

I believe it may be. It may also be deliberately misdrawn or misinterpreted.

One more question if you dont mind, do you believe the sumerians had contact with an ET? I know you are a fact kind of person but whats your gut feeling?


Not a gut feeling, but a knowledge from having studied cultures (I have a degree in anthropology.)

Now, I know that my having a degree in the field causes a lot of people to say "oh! Scholar! They LIE and hide things! She can't see the truth because her school has biased her!"

Let me explain why it doesn't make any sense:

The postulation is that space aliens formed a race of androids to dig for gold for them.

Now:
* we have a spacefaring race who ignores stars and other planets (there's stars made of gold out in space newsroom.msu.edu... ) and travel to Earth to mine gold.
* when they land here, they hit the Planetary Stupidity Field and forget how to use high tech mining techniques, for all the mines in the area are worked using primitive techniques.
* the Sumerian language is an isolate language (not related to others), but this doesn't necessarily mean an extraterrestrial origin.
* Sumerians were in contact with other people. There are no stories from them about Sumerian overlords.
* Sumerians bred freely with other people.
* humans didn't just "suddenly appear" in time. There are older hominids that are their ancestors. They weren't just suddenly created.
* the stories and myths of Sumer are inconsistant with those of enslaved peple. Enslaved people tell a lot of trickster tales about getting the upper hand over their masters. The Sumerians don't have tales of "how I tricked the gods."
* there are no artifacts made out of materials unavailable to Mesopotamia by trade or manufacture. Slaves often steal from their masters.
* there are no unusually made textiles from Sumeia; textiles that aren't duplicatable by other cultures. Favorite slaves wore the discarded clothing of their masters.
* Sumerian knowledge of astronomy and the solar system was consistant with visual only astronomy. They named the planets through Saturn -- but didn't know about Ceres, the world-sized asteroid and didn't know about Uranus or Neptune or Pluto. They didn't know which points of light in the skies were suns and which were galaxies.
* Sumerians did not call Nibiru a planet. Nibiru was a title (like "President of the United States").
* Sumerians don't show unusual genetic markers that are different from other humans (indicating a genetic breeding program.)
* All ancient people drew or sculpted their gods and rulers as larger-than-life-sized figures. We have many depictions of these rulers (like Tutankhamen) and their remains, and although the art shows them to be 4 to 8 times the size of "regular people", their bones and bodies show them to be the same height as their subjects.
* Musical instruments were made from regional materials and there were no unusual or sophisticated constructions.
* There was no global flood (part of Sitchin's theory)
* No planet visits us on a 3600 year cycle (we've had literate civilizations and writing for well over 7,000 years. That's almost 2 cycles of this mythical planet. Civilizations worldwide would be writing and producing art about something that huge in the skies.

...etc.
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