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posted on Jul, 29 2007 @ 08:19 PM
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got this from a friend on myspace.

very intersting.




[edit on 29-7-2007 by pweagle]




posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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After watching that video it's really made me start to think. If the U.S. make use of these types of corporations then is it likely that other countries do as well such as the UK?



posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 09:43 AM
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I'm sure Blackwater is mostly a bunch of sick whackos who get off on warfare more than women, and are well paid on top of that. When they come to take your guns away, these are probably the guy's that'll do it, and do it with impunity.

Congressional oversight is a joke.

Peace



posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 12:43 PM
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I sure hope this thread doesn't die because Blackwater is a sign of our end, it's just a matter of time.

Found this video of Bush completely dodging a question about Blackwater and their impunity. This is really scary folks.



Peace



posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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I'm surprised that you didn't know about these outfits. Merceneries have been a part of America's strategic plan since the War of Independance. The three letter groups in your government have been keeping the tradition alive through the 20th century with their involvement in Vietnam, Columbia, Panama to mention just a few. When they need something done that can't be seen as linked to them, they send in the contractors. Anything that they get caught doing is then seen as the contractors fault by way of poor training or personel selection. If it is too bad, the company folds and is reborn under another name, all squeeky clean and ready for business as usually.



posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 08:51 PM
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Yes this has been a tradition for sometime. Some speculate that they were involved in the Kennedy incident.

Some also believe they are CIA special Ops front.

Personally i think this is a way to cause mass panic with the Iraq natives so that we can force the natives to raise arms against us. providing more reason to continue funding and continue the BUSH AGENDA.

I would not be surprised if the majority of the incidents that violate Iraq laws and State laws are broken by these Mercs



posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 09:49 PM
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I personally know 2 people who work for them and they make alot of money doing what they do. They do not have families and did not want to risk their asses in the service and make # for money. It is estiamted that 30-40% of the ground forces in the Middle East are contracted. They are making alot of money and making contacts that they feel will help more in the private sector.

They are a private army.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 08:40 PM
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Jeremy Scahill (the moron in the video) is a known leftist propaganda whore.

He believes facts are optional.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire

He believes facts are optional.



If the second video is anything to go by - George W. feels the same.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
I sure hope this thread doesn't die because Blackwater is a sign of our end, it's just a matter of time.

Found this video of Bush completely dodging a question about Blackwater and their impunity. This is really scary folks.


Yeah I will bump that!! Thanks for sharing this information with us here
And thanks Dr. Love for that video! Its another Bush moment that I will add to my collection of jaw dropping answers.
He dodges it completly then has a laugh about it.
I think this is one of Bush's main tatics. Come off like the silly fool, and everyone laughs and moves on. He seems harmless huh?



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 09:28 PM
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Well this may be known by few but should be known by all.

Knock! Knock!
Who's there?
Black water!
Black water who?
Black water...err um Pizza ...!!!? hehe lol

Yeah its that funny I don't know stupid ha? well how else are they going to present them selves? Well they're not, they're just going to have pretend police badges. bust in your home with out a warrant, take your weapons then escort you and your family to the nearest camp. But only in the comic books right? Sorry no Punishers, no Wolverine's to save the day you just lie on your stomach and succumb. "Wow, didn't see that one coming" keep the ball rolling people. Its you and then its them.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 09:40 PM
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I myself know several people who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan. A couple of interesting conversations really caught my attention.

I worked with a guy who was security for a Colonel up in Northern Iraq. And I asked him about mercs, he just smiled and said "yeah, they're everywhere man, you'd be surprised how easy it is for them to get around and get "stuff" done".

Another conversation I had was with a fellow who served in both Desert Storms, and I asked him about the accountability aspect of this war. He said that there is no chance is hell that the mercs will be found guilty of doing anything. It's odd to hear someone who was there and in the fight talking about a "shadow army" operating with their own rules and regulations.

In some ways I'm sure the mercs are good, but I'm also sure in some ways they are bad. I'm sure we've all heard of the stories of them firing at our own troops in various conflicts to "step up" the reaction.

Great post!



-Droops



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:02 PM
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Just as a slight correction:

Security contractors are not mercenaries.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:16 PM
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Call me naive, but I didn't know this happened.

Now that I know that there are private contractors overseas working for the US, my initial reaction is that I can't say I'm overly bothered or concerned. I'm still on the fence though.

What does concern me is that they are opening up shop all over the US. Now that bothers me.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
Just as a slight correction:

Security contractors are not mercenaries.




What exactly is the difference between a merc and a Blackwater employee?



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:25 PM
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Here's a great overview of PMC's (Private Military Contractors).
www.opencrs.com...

The main differentiation between PMC's and Mercenaries seems to be that Mercenary work is offensive and proactive in nature whereas Security Contractors or PMC's seem to be in a support or "defensive" role.

I think this definition is a modern invention. In the past, this type of work was simply called "mercenary work."

[edit on 14-8-2007 by clay2 baraka]



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by vox2442



What exactly is the difference between a merc and a Blackwater employee?


Mercenaries are an offensive combat force, whereas BWUSA provides security details for State Dept. Officials, other governmental organizations and individuals (Such as Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan), supply convoys, security checkpoints, etc etc.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:46 PM
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Further clarification on the subject (also an interesting legal issue):


PMCs are also known as security contractors, although this term usually refers to individuals employed or contracted by PMCs. Services are mainly rendered for other business corporations, international and non-governmental organizations, and state forces.

Private military companies are sometimes grouped into the general category of defense contractors. However, most defense contractors supply specialized hardware and perhaps also personnel to support and service that hardware, whereas PMCs supply personnel with specialized operational and tactical skills, which often include combat experience.

The 1949 Third Geneva Convention (GCIII) does not recognize the difference between defense contractors and PMCs; it defines a category called supply contractors. If the supply contractor has been issued with a valid identity card from the armed forces which they accompany, they are entitled to be treated as prisoners of war upon capture (GCIII Article 4.1.4). If, however, the contractor engages in combat, he/she can be classified as a mercenary by the captors under the 1997 Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions (Protocol I) Article 47.c, unless falling under an exemption to this clause in Article 47. If captured contractors are found to be mercenaries, they are a unlawful combatants and lose the right to prisoner of war status.

Source:
www.answers.com...



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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Ok, here`s the internationally agreed upon legal definition:



Article 47.-Mercenaries

1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.

2. A mercenary is any person who:

( a ) Is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;

( b ) Does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;

( c ) Is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;

( d ) Is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;

( e ) Is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and

( f ) Has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.


From www.ohchr.org...

Nothing about offense or defense there. The only real loophole I can see is with 2d - and even then, although Blackwater is a US company, I`m reasonably sure that their employees are not all American.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 11:04 PM
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In March of 2004, it was reported that Blackwater had flown a group of about 60
former Chilean commandos, many of who had trained under the military
government of Augusto Pinochet, from Santiago to its training camp in North
Carolina. From there they were taken to Iraq.

In an interview with the Chilean newspaper La Tercera, a former Chilean army
officer, Carlos Wamgnet, 30, who was going to Iraq, said: "We are calm. This mission
is nothing new for us.

"In the end, this is an extension of our military career."

John Rivas, 27, a former Chilean marine, said the work in Iraq would provide a "very
good income" that would allow him to support his family.

"I don't feel like a mercenary," he added. (3)

According to Gary Jackson, President of Blackwater USA,


"We scour the ends of the earth to find professionals - the Chilean
commandos are very, very professional and they fit within the Blackwater
system." he added, "We have grown 300% over each of the past three years
and we are small compared to the big ones'

"We have a very small niche market, we work towards putting out the cream
of the crop, the best." (3)


I guess that clears up the subject of foreign employees. Quite interesting.



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