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Morton Devonshire - 9/11 Disinfo?

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posted on Jul, 28 2007 @ 10:30 AM
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The folks at prisonplanet.com have brought to light the works of one Morton Devonshire who they accuse of burying "9/11 truth" information pages from Wikipedia.

prisonplanet.com v Morton Devonshire

They've begun a campaign to alert Wikipedia of his actions and their claimed, obvious bias. They are asking people to email Wikipedia to complain and also asking people to help replace the pages that Devonshire and his "Counter Propaganda Unit" have buried.

They claim this is important because for wikipedia is the often first port of entry for people questioning the events of 9/11.


[Mod Edit: Title edit for clarification - Jak]

[edit on 14/8/07 by JAK]




posted on Jul, 31 2007 @ 04:10 PM
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I read the original post when it was first posted and was strongly tempted to respond to it, but something held me back. Maybe it was a little voice whispering "can of worms."

I've been watching to see if anyone would respond to this and so far I am the first. I've thought about it some more and what I came up with is that I don't think people generally take Wikipedia as seriously as Alex Jones seems to and furthermore, they are quite right to take it with a grain of salt.

I am a frequent user of Wikipedia myself but I would never take it as gospel in any "mission critical" situation. The activities of Mr. Devonshire, if they are as reported are a perfect illustration of why Wikipedia should not be taken seriously. Britannica may be more stodgy and not quite up to the minute, but the people who write it are specialists willing to put their professional reputations on the line.

In addition, personally, I think it is a little hasty to be centering out one individual like this. The web is a tremendous force multiplier. I would not like to have to take responsibility for any trouble which might come to Mr. D.

[edit on 31-7-2007 by ipsedixit]



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 01:19 AM
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If Google didn't index Wikipedia pages and list them first, Wikipedia would just be a playground for the terminally bored. Nonetheless, Google does what it does, and that makes Wikipedia somewhat important, and therefore a place that propagandists use to try to promote their pet theories.

Fortunately, Wikipedia has rules against using the encyclopedia as a soapbox. That's why your conspiracy theory articles get deleted, because it's just made up garbage supported by the thinnest of citations, almost exclusively to citations to the blogosphere or to conspiracy advocacy sites like Prisonplanet.com. Wikipedia requires citation to reputable sources, and the neutral presentation of verifiable facts. Since 9/11 conspiracy theories and articles about these theories cannot be supported by reputable objective sources, the articles violate Wikipedia rules, and thus merit deletion. So much for DisInfoWars -- the articles just violate Wikipedia rules. It's as simple as that.

Lastly, shame on all of you for dishonoring the memory of the over 3,000 people killed by our enemies, by trying to capitalize on the tragedy for personal profit. Shame on all of you for making up wild conspiracy theories, then trying to hawk those ideas by videotape, books, and paid seminars to the weak-minded. And lastly, shame on all of you for believing that the good people who serve us in the intelligence agencies and in uniform would be complicit in such plots -- those people swore allegiance to the Constitution, and would happily disobey the command of any manipulative leader who sought to harm our people. If you don't understand that, then you have no clue what being an American is all about.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 02:49 AM
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Yeah and since then they have wiped their asses with said constitution. And hey Morton, the less people that question the 9/11 commission the better...am i right?? Yeah..



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 03:56 AM
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lol Morton...


Lots of the threads that you removed from Wiki cannot be justified as being too speculative.
I have put down my mark on you as an unwanted individual on Wiki as your actions, although in your own view and by extreme interpretation of the Wiki rules are correct and truthful, from my point actually are a severe act against the freedom of information and a direct attack against the rational open minds that refuse to be dictated by a false leader...


Take care

[Mod Edit: See post below. Thank you - Jak]

[edit on 14/8/07 by JAK]


JAK

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 04:38 AM
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Just a quick reminder here:

    Due to member demand, this forum is now under close staff scrutiny.

    Any innappropiate comments, insults, topic derailment or trolling will result in immediate posting ban or account termination.


If people want to comment lets remember that it is Morton Devonshire's actions on Wikipedia which are in question and focus on those rather than any personal feelings/attacks.

Thank you,

Jak



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 04:38 AM
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Render unto Wiki what is Wiki's and save the good stuff for ATS.

We have a news worthy event, and we have an individual here who, if he is who he seems to be, is a central figure in that event.

Anyone who can discuss this rationally and politely is welcome to do so.

Anyone who cannot will meet the most stringent enforcement of our Terms and Conditions.

So, flice, let's talk about what has been and what should be without insulting anybody.

Morton, you are welcome to represent your own take on the facts and your reasons as well, but in the face of attacks, please be the bigger man and rest assured that the staff will sort things out. We do expect a certain level of decorum and respect for those who see things differently.


So, let us begin again.

Morton, despite this initial unpleasantness, I believe you will find many bright individuals here who would be interested in discussing evidence of somewhat greater weight than the word of bloggers, and if you care to continue visiting I'd be very interested in playing the fly on the wall during that discussion.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Morton_devonshire
Lastly, shame on all of you for dishonoring the memory of the over 3,000 people killed by our enemies, by trying to capitalize on the tragedy for personal profit. Shame on all of you for making up wild conspiracy theories, then trying to hawk those ideas by videotape, books, and paid seminars to the weak-minded. And lastly, shame on all of you for believing that the good people who serve us in the intelligence agencies and in uniform would be complicit in such plots -- those people swore allegiance to the Constitution, and would happily disobey the command of any manipulative leader who sought to harm our people. If you don't understand that, then you have no clue what being an American is all about.


Welcome to ATS.

Okay, now that that's out of the way, please do not come here and spout "shame, shame, shame on you" in such a holier-than-thou way. It is intellectually repugnant and appeals to the basest instincts and emotions and is no decent argument about the true subject at hand.

And believe me this is not a unique tactic, it pops up here over and over again.

Now, let's look at your contentions:

The first one, that the members of this board are dishonoring the dead of 9/11. I would respond that seeking the truth of those events, and with that truth, finally bringing the perpetrators to justice, does great honor to those who died. I have seen little attempt on the part of the gov't to prosecute those it claimed led the attacks, though it did launch a staggering strategic blunder in Iraq--which had nothing to do with 9/11 and has destroyed that nation and killed and maimed tens of thousands of our soldiers--but nonetheless justified it with false linkages to those events. Is this honoring the 9/11 dead? And if the official story is true, and gov't incompetence allowed the events to unfold, as the 9/11 Commission claims, then who in our gov't has ever been held accountable for that criminal negligence? Who, other than the whistleblowers, has ever been punished for 9/11?

Second, the members of this board are "trying to capitalize on the tragedy for personal profit." This is ridiculous on its face, and merits no further discussion. Simply highlighting it is enough to show it is pure hyperbole.

Next, you say that we are spinning "wild conspiracy theories" and are profiting off them. The official story of 9/11 is a "wild conspiracy theory." 19 fundamentalist Arab terrorists (one, Atta, known to enjoy brothels and coc aine) and a mastermind in an Afghan cave (a creature created by the CIA to terrorize the Russians in Afghanistan) managed to lay low our many layers of security, military and civilian, and to wreak such unprecedented havoc, using what? Box cutters?

That is the very definition of a "wild conspiracy theory."

The official NIST explanation of the collapse of the 2 WTC towers is an embarrassment to science, and as yet, nearly six years later, no explanation at all has been given for the collapse of WTC 7.

Lastly, let's take a look at some of the actions of "those good people in our intelligence services." They ran heroin to pay for the secret war in Laos, coc aine to pay for the secret wars in Nicaragua and El Salvador, concocted Operation Northwoods, the USS Liberty incident, the gulf of Tonkin, and have overthrown foreign governments for decades--the most damning of all being Iran; thanks to FDR's son, we have the mess we have there today. And I won't even get started on the treason of selling arms to our enemies--to Iran, to hold the hostages until after the 1980 presidential election. You know--GHW Bush's secret trip to Paris, and the cake and the bible and the 80+ billions of arms transited through Israel and Turkey.

Such "good people," all.

So please, do not wrap yourself either in the flag or in the burial shrouds of the victims of 9/11; to do so stains them both.



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by gottago
Second, the members of this board are "trying to capitalize on the tragedy for personal profit." This is ridiculous on its face, and merits no further discussion. Simply highlighting it is enough to show it is pure hyperbole.


I agree with your whole post there gottago.

I run a site about 9/11 and I am and do not try and capitalize on it. There are no banners linking to other sites to go buy a dvd, there are no banners on it actually period except your typical "this is my site name" banner.

I agree with gottago on everything he said. You are suggesting us to be stupid idiots and just let things go as they go just because someone wants us to?

There are people on this planet that would rather watch tv and sports and forget things that happened in the past. There are also people who want to know what happened that day because it not only affects them, but their kids and their kids, kids...

We all have a duty to make sure are government is run right, not some half assed way. The people who are trying to find out what happened are typical people like myself who cant stand all the lies of what happened that day and wanna know what really happened.

If you don't like it deal wit it because that will never change... We will continue to do what we do till we die.


To gottogo You are my hero for the next week cause of that post above mine. great job man.




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