Have the USAF lost planes to UFO's?

If you missed last night's "Now THAT'S Weird" try and catch one of the repeats, because the guest in the final hour made some really quite frightening claims.

Timothy Good, one of the world's leading UFO investigators, and no fool believe me, showed evidence of statements from government ministers around the world stating that they have known about UFO's and the existence of alien races for many decades. He also claimed that the USA lost many planes and pilots in defending against reprisal attacks by UFO's after two UFO's were "shot down" by the USAF at Roswell in 1947. (See more at www.timothygood.co.uk...)

Here are some of the quotes from his website:-

" . . . we have lost many men and planes trying to intercept them."
General Benjamin Chidlaw, Air Defense Command (1953)

"I am aware that hundreds of military and airline pilots, airport personnel, astronomers, missile trackers and other competent observers have reported sightings . . . These UFOs are interplanetary devices systematically observing the earth, either manned or under remote control, or both."
Colonel Joseph Bryan, CIA (1960)

"The U.S. President said that if the Earth faced an invasion by extraterrestrials, the United States and the Soviet Union would join forces to repel such an invasion . . . "
President Gorbachev, Grand Kremlin Palace (1987)

" . . . When that truth of alien intervention in our planet's affairs and our ongoing contact with an alien culture is finally revealed, it won't be frightening even though it will be a shock."
Colonel Philip Corso, who served on President Eisenhower's
National Security Council staff (1997)

"I am convinced these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nation on Earth."
Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding (1954)

'UFOS ARE AS REAL AS THE AIRPLANES THAT FLY
OVER YOUR HEAD . . . THE CLASSIFICATION WAS,
FROM THE OUTSET, ABOVE TOP SECRET, SO THE VAST
MAJORITY OF U.S. OFFICIALS AND POLITICIANS, LET
ALONE A MERE ALLIED MINISTER OF DEFENCE, WERE
NEVER IN THE LOOP . . . THE TIME HAS COME TO LIFT
THE VEIL OF SECRECY AND LET THE TRUTH EMERGE
SO THERE CAN BE A REAL AND INFORMED DEBATE
ABOUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEMS
FACING OUR PLANET TODAY'
Paul Hellyer, former Canadian Minister of
Defence (1963–7) in a speech at the University
of Toronto, 25 September 2005

Now we can all shrug our heads and say thta none of this proves anything and we can dismiss it all as nonsense if we so choose, but I for one believe that only a fool would dismiss out of hand the evidence that is there in front of us for all to see.

Ross

Sounds interesting, if true...

The problem I have with a lot of this stuff is the provenance of the "evidence".

An alleged quote from someone long dead or difficult to trace ...sometimes as an interpretation from a none English speaker does not carry much weight for me.

These days even documentary evidence can be suspect. I suppose at worst it may heighten us look look at the skies...it maybe food for the cynics but who cares...nothing will change their minds anyway

I have looked at the gentlemans website and done a bit of surfing but nothing leaps out...so far. I find a lot of this kinda thing is swamped by quantity...all I want is a little bit of quality.

As to whether or not the US has lost aircraft to them....lets face it, they invented "blue on blue" if they go to war with everyone who shoots at them they would be at war with themselves

It is indeed possible...the authorities would keep us out the loop. I feel sure that we are being "investigated".....that big black triangle Nick Pope was on about does it for me...amongst others. But who is investigating?

Timothy Good does a very good job in collecting info.

I've seen UFOs so don't need convincing but I think the sheer weight of eyewitness accounts should convince others that there is far more to this world than we think. If someone can delve deep through witness testimony and still come out a total sceptic then they're not worth listening to in my opinion.

Have the USAF lost planes to UFOs? Most probably, and lots of individual citizens too. Nothing would surprise me.

[edit on 28-7-2007 by wigit]

Nick Pope is the former UK Government UFO investigator, he worked for the Ministry of Defence investigating sightings for many years and he told me about Timothy Good and how strong his evidence is, so this comes from a very reliable source. He suggested that I get him on the show, which I did on Friday.

Timothy is obviously a well-educated and thorough researcher and I have no reason to doubt his integrity in any way.

Like most people I always like to see the evidence behind the claims, but if you look at investigators like Paola Harris and others you will see that they also seem to have some strong evidence to suggest that there is something going on right now and has been for many years.

Ross

I'd love to know Tim Good's theories. He has a reputation to protect so it's probably a lot safer for him to just collect the evidence and provide it to us but I wonder what he thinks deep down.

With all things strange you can't help trying to work it all out and with the UFO subject the theories have to be outlandish. Luckily I'm not a famous UFO investigator, I can theorise, and share it, as much as I want without ruining my reputation. lol.

His website is www.timothygood.com... and his e-mail address is on the site - why not ask him - he is a very approachable person.

Ross

Hey Nomad,

I think the link is www.timothygood.co.uk....

The blokes stock went up for me when I read this book review on his website.



Great stuff. Surely only a bloke with integrity would put such a quote on their site...he has no fear of what people think for or agin!!!!

Ooops sorry - yes it is .co.uk!

People in the media in broadsheets like The Telegraph often voice sceptical opinions, but one day the sarcastic smile will be wiped off their face when the final proof is forthcoming! lol

As I said before, Timothy Good was recommended to me by Nick Pope and I believe that his research is very thorough.

With thorough means 100% accurate - only time will tell I guess.

Ross

Hey Nomad,
A thought,

The Broadsheet types would like to keep the paranormal at bay it suits their interests. I mean suppose everyone was in tune the Universal Consciousness there would be no news...we would all be in the now and at one with all that there is....so no need for newspapers

With regard to UFO's, it suits the Broadsheets to keep up the cynical attitude...the last thing they want us to know is what planet their alien species comes from

I know of at least one aircraft that was lost trying to intercept a UFO. An F-51 (Mustang) was lost over Ohio and the pilot killed. The name of the Pilot was Captain Thomas Mantell. I think that this happened in the late 1940's or the early 1950's.

JIMC5499 - That's interesting, where di you get that information from?

Allah The Moon God - Yes the universal consciousness could pose the biggest threat ever, to not only the broadsheets but also to governments around the world, as if we could learn how to use it properly, we could freely pass information without censorship!

Ross

I thought that the Mantel Incident was inconclusive?

When I was young I remember reading about that case and was impressed but these days, for me, enough stuff is out there for me to doubt the UFO encounter claim.

The 3 other pilots did not report anything like the object, that it is conjectured Mantell described.

A secret aluminised balloon ("Skyhook" I think) being responsible has been forwarded as an explanation. Yeah, I know, the old silver balloon, UFO gig...like Roswell

Although an experienced pilot, Mantell was quite new to P-51s, apparently.
My understanding is high altitude blackout, from lack of oxygen was a major factor in the crash. I understand also that they cut Mantells body from the wreck...so surely the plane must have hit the ground in a reasonable state and not "blasted" at high altitude, scattering debris over a wider field. There again, you could say that advanced technology was used to render the primitive avionics and engine useless? Who knows?

I am sure there were other reasons why I lost faith in the case but can't remember them.

Thing is, if these things are about in the quantities people seem to be saying they are...then eventually an "incident" will occur with no cover up possible. Lets hope enough rational people with evidence gathering equipment are about to catch it

Now THAT'S Weird repeats tonight from 9 p.m. - Midnight (GMT + 1) at www.glastonburyradio.net and you get another opportunity to hear Timothy Good talking about how the US Air Force allegedly lost planes and personnel in "revenge attacks" by UFO's after the shooting down to the two crashed UFO's at Roswell New Mexico.

Timothy will be on the third hour of the show and whether you believe in UFO's and aliens or NOT - you really should tune in!

The first hour features Gary King talking about evidence he believes proves crop circles are not all man-made!

The second hour David A Warner talks about out-of-body experiences and how to have one!

Ross

I'm not implying that the UFO had anything to do with Mantell's crash. what I'm saying is that if Mantell hadn't tried to intercept what he thought was a UFO he probably wouldn't have crashed. Personally I accept the theory that he was chasing the planet Venus. People need to start being more specific in their terminology. UFO means Unidentified Flying Object, not necessarily alien spacecraft.

Yeah too right geeze. Unfortunately there is a problem there too. Pop along to the Alien and UFO forum and somewhere in there you will find many viewpoints. Some would argue that video or pictures of what are obviously birds are UFOs because we can't identify the "make and model" of bird

You can't say alien craft in case they come from the Oceans here, or are of the future Earth. You can't say flying saucer cos it might be a disk or triangle. There is so little info, that we can't even classify stuff!! There is conjecture and subjective observations and as many "factoids" and theories as there are people selling books and DVD's.............I think that is why I don't get too excited about the subject these days....too many "truths".

In the Mantell incident it seems no-one can actually recall what Mantell said when asked what he could see!! I find it strange that most of the communications seem to have been remembered but not, for me, the crucial part. Ever since then, UFO nuts have cried "cover up" or suggest some other mechanism has been at work to stall recollection of what he saw.

Yeah I think Venus was mentioned as a possibility. I personally think it was just a matter of miss-identification, excitement and disorientation leading to the blackout. But as with most of this stuff, I don't think I will ever know in my lifetime. That may or may not be a blessing.

There were people who claimed that Mantell's aircraft was riddled with thousands of small holes. These claims were later disproved. The official cause of the crash was that Mantell flew too high for the aircraft's oxygen system and he lost consiousness and control.

I find a lot of this stuff is unresolvable.

Here is a case with a reasonably preserved crash site. Yet the word was out, by some, that Mantell was shot down by a "UFO". The official record, as said, gives the cause as oxygen blackout..or whatever. Some will always doubt the official version of any event and dig up some obscure factoids to "prove" the alternative version. Sells books and DVDs.

Equally, the cynics will find "evidence" that supports their case. Sells books and DVDs.

Maybe there is a conspiracy of the polarised camps, to keep producing argument and counter argument to generate book and DVD sales

So as I see it, no version of an event, for any given event will be satisfactory for all camps. Makes you wonder why people bother. The most we can hope, is to convince ourselves alone I reckon..........

I think if everyone became aware of the Universal Consciousness then having newspapers become obsolete would be the least of their worries!

The USAF might well have lost planes. According to Timothy Good it's happened to Canada. When he was on the James Whale show a few nmonths ago he told the story of how a RCAF fighter jet vanished while on patrol over the Great Lakes. The plane flying next to it reports that there was no explosion of flash of light. The plane was there one minute, gone the next, leaving it's disembodied jet trail in the sky. It's never been seen since. I've got to get Timothy's new book "Need to Know"

Timothy seems to have a lot of humanity in him. I admire that. He's not all facts and figures, he seems to see the UFO phenomenon as having a spiritual message. In his book "Unearthly disclosures" he talks about encounters with aliens by people who have been given a powerful enlightnement.

[edit on 11-8-2007 by Hagbard Celine]

I read about this years ago in a children's book on UFO's. It describes him as "The first and so far only UFO victim". Well this is not true, but the book was aimed at young readers and it's not fair to scare the kids.

Apparently Mantell lost radio contact and vanished from ground radar. Later they found the wreckage of his plane. This alone doesn't prove that the UFO was directly responsible for the crash; it could still have been an accident. but maybe their was evidence that they're keeping classified.