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Originally posted by Now_Then
Imagine if you will this missile being 'dropped' from a very high altitudes - during its descent it would transition into a vertical free fall (hence the need for the great alt) from this near vertical fall it should then not be to much a prob to align its self in such a way that it can fire up the moter, extend its stubby little wings and (hopefully) pull out of this now powered dive and be on its jolly murderous way.
Whats the verdict? (or do they all ready do this )
link
The parachute loiter modes were adopted in order to force threat emitters to remain shut down for as long as possible after the launch of the ARM. The classical defensive tactic used by a radar operator is to shut down if an ARM is seen to be launched, thereby denying it a signal to home in on accurately. Once the ARM falls out of the sky, the radar can be lit up again. As a result, a clever operator may force an incoming SEAD aircraft to expend several conventional ARMs
Originally posted by Harlequin
er of space ( lift requires a density of air - the higher you go the less dense the air is) is reached - at which point all you have is the engines , and the mass of the aircraft outways the thrust of the engines at this point.
Originally posted by esecallum
if they are lying then i say so.
that is not insultiing.
then you said planes and missiles break up when they clearly don't.
look atr any airsHow.
you see planes travelling sideways.....SIDEWAYS AT HIGH SPEED.
a planes goes in X DIRECTION but turns in Y direction BUT still has a Y component WHICH MEANS IT'S TRAVELLING SIDEWAYS AT HIGH SPEED.
INCLUDING THE ATTACHED MISSILES WHICH DONT GET RIPPED OF THE PYLONS.
the shuttle has no substantial fuel to slow down ...
no SUBSTANTIAL fuel.
it uses air braking to slow down.
nasa showed the zig zag path it followed to decrease speed using air as braking medium.
the PICTURES showed the shuttle sideways .AND IT DID NOT GET RIPPED APART AS YOU CLAIM.
modern fighter jets are also in their flight manoeveres are also traveling sideways to direction of travel.
Originally posted by RichardPrice
This thread is almost as good as that '747 to orbit' one - very very funny with very little actual understanding of any physics!
Please mods, dont lock it, this is hilarious!
You seriously are right out on the fringe, is your village missing you?
Continually relying on the phrases 'you are lying' and 'you have been defeated once again' does not an argument make.
look i dont insult people.
Oh cool! Your back using this defence.
if they are lying then i say so.
that is not insultiing.
Well that's the sharpest observation you have made in this whole thread. But then.....
if i called you a stupid moronic idiot then it would be insulting.
... you go and immediately contradict yourself by saying the above.
i never said that.
I SAID I NEVER SAID THAT
By this I assume you mean your struggle with reality?
you are simply trying to divert attention away from the facts.
I don't even know who or what you are talking too anymore(possibly the cat?), and I strongly suspect neither do you.. No one has mentioned the Defiant in ages.
you mentioned the boulton.TO DIVERT ATTENTION
then you talked about ancient planes.
Or when they clearly do. I guess they are being fired from your 747's in orbit so they are not affected by aerodynamics.
then you said planes and missiles break up when they clearly don't.
No they are not travelling at high speed, thats why they can do it. It only APPEARS sideways and fast to you. The fact that they are doing it in front of an airshow audience at low alltitude precludes that kind of high speed manouvre. That and the allready mentioned laws of aerodynamics.
look atr any airsHow.
you see planes travelling sideways.....SIDEWAYS AT HIGH SPEED
NO!, What it proves is that you haven't studied the 3 axes of flight. You don't understand the fundamental relationship between the lateral axis, longitudinal axis and vertical axis. Any aircraft manouvering in general uses or has a direct affect, on all three axes. It does not mean that they are flying sideways. You are trying to seperate the 3 axes in situations that you cannot, or are not relevant to your point about turrets and slewable pylons.
a planes goes in X DIRECTION but turns in Y direction BUT still has a Y component WHICH MEANS IT'S TRAVELLING SIDEWAYS AT HIGH SPEED.
INCLUDING THE ATTACHED MISSILES WHICH DONT GET RIPPED OF THE PYLONS.
this PROVES MY ASSERTION IN TOTAL AND DISPROVES YOURS.
No they are moving in a combination of the three axes of flight, NOT sideways.
modern fighter jets are also in their flight manoeveres are also traveling sideways to direction of travel
See, even you note that.
a plane can have 3 components at the same time...
Please read the above and THINK.
i.e it can travel along x-axis while moving in y direction...
No one mentioned a curved missile, what do you mean a disk? Hey did anyone order a pizza?
your assertion that a curved missile will break up is absurd...
Yes, but generally only when the proximity fuze has been triggered and at a rather rapid rate in all directions at once.
missiles travel in 3 direction at the same time.
x y z
So you think they travel backwards then, is that it? You still haven't grasped the concept of movement in three dimensional space it would seem.
which means they must be traveling non-nose first in THE OTHER 2 directions.
which means they must be traveling non-nose first in 2 directions.
you have been defeated again.
Originally posted by esecallum
you seem to forget velocity has 2 or 3 components.
x y z.
you have been defeated again.
Originally posted by esecallum
if they are lying then i say so.
that is not insultiing
if i called you a stupid moronic idiot then it would be insulting.
i never said that.
I SAID I NEVER SAID THAT.
you are simply trying to divert attention away from the facts.
you mentioned the boulton.TO DIVERT ATTENTION
then you talked about ancient planes.
then you said... ...missiles break up when they clearly don't.
look atr any airsHow.
you see planes travelling sideways.....SIDEWAYS AT HIGH SPEED.
a planes goes in X DIRECTION but turns in Y direction BUT still has a Y component WHICH MEANS IT'S TRAVELLING SIDEWAYS AT HIGH SPEED.
INCLUDING THE ATTACHED MISSILES WHICH DONT GET RIPPED OF THE PYLONS.
this PROVES MY ASSERTION IN TOTAL AND DISPROVES YOURS.
you are wrong again.
the shuttle has no substantial fuel to slow down ...
no SUBSTANTIAL fuel.
it uses air braking to slow down.
nasa showed the zig zag path it followed to decrease speed using air as braking medium.
the PICTURES showed the shuttle sideways .AND IT DID NOT GET RIPPED APART AS YOU CLAIM.
at one pont in direction of travel.many times.
your wrong claim it slows down in space without substantial fuel. is designed to mislead.
IT glides in using air braking.
modern fighter jets are also in their flight manoeveres are also traveling sideways to direction of travel.
watch any movie or documentary on planes.or any airshow.
you seem to forget velocity has 2 or 3 components.
x y z.
a plane can have 3 components at the same time...
i.e it can travel along x-axis while moving in y direction...
etc..
your assertion that a curved missile will break up is absurd...
they dont.
missiles travel in 3 direction at the same time.
x y z
which means they must be traveling non-nose first in THE OTHER 2 directions.
which means they must be traveling non-nose first in 2 directions.
you have been defeated again.
I can't wait for Darkpr0's assessment of the situation.
Originally posted by Darkpr0
Originally posted by esecallum
3)
FIGHTER PLANES ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE COMPONENTS OF VELOCITY.
SAY IT GOING AT MACH 1 WESTWORD BUT SUDDENLY CHANGES DIRECTION.
say if the pilot suddenly pulled upwards.
does the plane suddenly STOP GOING WESTWARD.
NO! NO! NO!
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
BUT OF COURSE IT CONTINUES TO TRAVEL WESTWORD EVEN THOUGH THE NOSE IS POINTING UPWARDS OR ANY DIRECTION IN THE NEW DIRECTION OF TRAVEL.
4)
this proves that you can fire missiles sideways or any other direction.
and that missiles dont break up just because of your sideways force.
AS THEY EXPERIENCE THESE FORCES ALREADY WITHOUT BREAKING UP.
you have been shown to be unable to tell the correct facts.
i find this moraly reprehensible.